Does cholesterol really matter in Diabetes?

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nannynancy
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   Posted 2/6/2008 12:20 PM (GMT -7)   
My doctor says it does, but I really don't believe everything he has to say anyway. I have been to link removed, and they seem to believe that in diseases like diabetes, cholesterol doesn't really play a factor as much as foods that are high in sugar. I think my doctor is just implying that I am overweight. What do you all think?
 
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Post Edited By Moderator (LanieG) : 2/6/2008 1:45:02 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/6/2008 1:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Nancy, because diabetics very often suffer from heart disease (as well as other ailments), doctors are very concerned about our cholesterol levels and try to keep the levels in a normal range.  This is why many diabetics are on cholesterol-lowering medication.  Diet is also a factor in diabetes, and carbohydrates drive blood sugar up, so a diabetic would do well to stay away from them.  According to what I've read in several articles, carbohydrates play a major role in driving cholesterol up; they also make us gain weight.  So, one way to help keep the cholesterol and weight down would be to limit carbs, especially food with sugar or flour.  (I took your link to another online forum out.  Please contact admin@healingwell.com to get permission to include it.  Thanks.)


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fergusc
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   Posted 2/6/2008 2:36 PM (GMT -7)   
There is a growing consensus that the increased incidence of heart disease in diabetics is a result of raised blood sugars over a sustained period. Cholesterol is now increasingly seen as a very poor indicator of heart disease risk. Heart attack victims typically have cholesterol levels no higher than those who don't suffer heart attacks. In fact, some of the largest studies, in Paris for example, show that women with higher cholesterol levels live longer healthier lives than those with lower levels.
In my opinion, cholesterol levels, unless spectacularly high or low, are an irrelevance compared to blood sugar levels.
Eggs for breakfast on this side of the pond.

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   Posted 2/6/2008 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I sincerely hope this is true.  But, then, you can eat those eggs because they're not supposed to cause high cholesterol anyway.  It's been a year since I cut out carbs (more or less because there are still carbs in some vegetables) and my cholesterol is still lower than it was before that, so all the red meat, eggs, cheese and butter I've used has not raised it at all.  :)

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fergusc
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   Posted 2/7/2008 4:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Just a few quick points about the cholesterol issue:

The majority of cholesterol in the blood is manufactured in the liver, not consumed in the diet (60-70%).
Humans have a feedback mechanism which stops the liver producing cholesterol when it is consumed in the diet.
The cholesterol issue really stems from lab trials on rabbits which don't have this mechanism and do suffer on a high cholestorol diet.
The liver goes back into cholesterol production mode in response to carbohydrates in the diet - they are used as a fuel in this process.
People on a low carbohydrate / high fat diet typically have much better cholesterol ratios than people on a high carb / low fat diet.
There is not a single epidemiological study which associates cholesterol levels with heart disease risk in women anyway!

I'll stop now....

fergusc

Jeannie143
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   Posted 2/7/2008 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Some of the newest research is pointing to inflammation as one of the causes of hear attacks.

There is another study that points to the plaque-forming bacteria found on our teeth that enter the blood stream through gingivitis and cause plaque build-up in the arteries.

Just one more good reason to use an anti-plaque toothpaste, floss and use a good plaque-killing mouthwash.

I have switched to a spin type electric toothbrush because of my fibro and arthritis. This makes brushing much easier. I use colgate total tooth paste because it has all the antibacterial, anti-plaque stuff I need. Also, once a week I use baking soda and a capful of hydrogen peroxide along with my toothpaste to do a deep polish and an inflammation check. After brushing with the peroxide, any white spots on the gums mean gingivitis and should be treated or at least seen by the dentist.

Just had a cleaning yesterday and it only took about 20 minutes. Used to take 45 to an hour! The toothpaste and spin brush and flossing are really working! yeah
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
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