Lapband and Diabetes

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Yveesway
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   Posted 3/31/2008 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone had Lapband reccomended? What do you all know about it? Any sucess stories?

A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/2/2008 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey...I'd like to know some opinions too. I know Lapband is less evasive, involves less time in the hospital etc... But it's not AS effective as the Gastric Bypass.

Go to Thinnertimes.com and look at their forums there. WONDERFUL site. I'm just getting aquainted with it myself.

I came back here to get input on the Gastric Bypass which is the Grand-daddy of the procedures.

It will be interesting to read more responses both here and at my thread. I'm considering Lap Band too

Yveesway
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   Posted 4/3/2008 10:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Yea I was approved by my insurance and my doctor is reccomnding it. I just joined lapbandtalk.com they have all the pros and cons and stories on there.

A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/6/2008 10:32 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm beginning to lean more towards the LapBand. But I don't know anyone who has had it. I wish some people here would respond.
I would think that this and the Gastric Bypass would be a hot topic. Go figure!

LanieG
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   Posted 4/7/2008 5:27 AM (GMT -7)   
Diane, there probably aren't enough of us that know a lot about it.  I don't know anyone who's had either procedure done; I've only read articles about them.  Maybe your doctor's office can introduce you to other patients who have gone through it?

Lanie
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diabetes controlled so far by low/no carb diet and exercise; no meds


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/7/2008 12:08 PM (GMT -7)   
It's a scarey and wonderful thought to actually have either one of these procedures done! There are so many smart folks here. I'd LOVE to see them get busy and check this out with an open unbias mind comparing the 2.

A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/14/2008 9:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm still waiting for those responses! HELLO...anyone out there with an open mind???

I'm really disappointed...I wanted to get some discussions going here but I guess I'll go elsewhere.

Lanie, I guess we're mavericks, LOL. Sad...I go back and forth between the LapBand and Gastric Bypass. Both the 2 people I know personally who have had WLS rave about it and say that it was tough, but it was the best thing they ever did for themselves!

I'm now back to leaning towards the Bypass. My appointment isn't until the 6th.

NOW, A QUESTION FOR YOU...Does your doctor specialize in LapBand? Of course he would only recommend the LapBand ($) if that was the only thing he did. The same would be true if he only did Bypasses.
Are there medical reasons that would limit you to the LapBand?

gelchick
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   Posted 4/17/2008 9:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Ladies,
 
Just yesterday I was asked to pray for a man who had undergone gastric bypass surgery 2 years ago. He weighed 500 pounds and reduced down to 250, but he could not lose any more. 
 
He is not eating more, nor is he eating the forbidden foods- but he started to have unexplained gastric pain. Long and short of it- over the past 3 weeks he has had 2 major surgeries. The first was to remove tissue that had started to grow and block what was left of his stomach. The second was a clean-up operation (whatever that means). Yesterday, he was re-admitted to the hospital with extreme pain and they will operate on him again later today- to see what's going on and if it can be fixed. His family is afraid they'll lose him this time.
 
He has never been able to stop taking his diabetic medicines in all this time- so while the reduction in weight was good for his overall health- it did not reverse or cure his diabetes.
 
sandy
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/17/2008 11:00 AM (GMT -7)   
That's not good. The trouble is for every good story you hear you hear a bad one. Then the bearers of the bad stories say it was the worst things they'd ever done! The one's with the good stories RAVE about how it changed their lives and gave them hope for the future. One friend even say's "just do it."

Yesterday I read a very tragic story that broke my heart and scared me half to death! It was so moving Sandy!

As I read, the thought kept going over and over in my mind of all the women in this world who are dying to be thin, (anorexic, fad diets, Bulemia, etc...) Look at all the kaos and pain and panic THOSE things have caused us!! And here we go with yet another one! BUT here we choose to let medical science rip our bodies open with MAJOR surgery and create "dangerous conditions" that FORCE our bodies to basically do the same things those terribly diseases/conditions do through the mind!! It's crazy how desparate we've become!!!!!

I had to step back.
Am I THAT desparate? That poor woman said she'd give ANYTHING to go back. And here I stand at the point she'd give anything to go back to...Sigh. Who's to say that if I did the surgery I too might be wishing with all my heart to go back to where I am now??????

Food for thought Sandy, food for thought...We can always go forward with this but going back is a different story.

Maybe the old fashioned way isn't so bad...or maybe it is. I don't know. I'm still trying to sort this question out.

I am sobered by this tale. I feel like I'm at the crossroads with my demons screaming on either side.I'm the deer in the headlights watching as the Semi approaches. Left or Right??? Which way do I leap to save my life??? And without a decision I surely die. (Sorry for the dramatics...)

gelchick
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   Posted 4/18/2008 8:21 AM (GMT -7)   

A.F.MomDiane,

I think when history looks back at our age- it will be the age of the knife and pill.

Two hundred years ago, they'd be bleeding us with leeches, and chopping off limbs, or maybe sequestering us in special places ( asylums?).

With the exception of bacterial infections (and not so much any more), there are very few diseases that are actually cured- they are either managed by pills, or chopped away by surgery. How many times have you heard of women that have their breasts removed because they have one of the BRCA cancer genes- only to have it turn up in their uterus or cervix, or lung- because it isn't really cured- mostly some of the symptoms have been alleviated.

Personally, I decided against having gastric surgery on 3 occasions. The first time was 30 years ago when they were chopping out part of your intestine. That surgery left you with vitamin deficiencies (because vitamin synthesis occurred in the part they removed- but the doctors didn't know that until people had the surgery and started to get bizarre vitamin deficiency diseases ), and chronic diarrhea.  The second time was about 25 years ago when stomach stapling became all the rage- my doctor was pushing me to do it, but most of the banned foods were the very things I ate the most. Also, I am a volume eater- I am just as happy eating volumes of lettuce as volumes of Crispy Cremes- and eating little shot glasses of food just didn't appeal to me mentally.  The last was when I was first diagnosed- the doctor told me about lap-band and roux n-y. I asked her if it would cure the diabetes- she told me no. It would make me eat so little that my sugar level would go down (You do have to eat protein first) and then as I lost weight, my insulin resistance would drop. Some of the food restrictions have changed- but not a lot. And I could even regain any weight I lost. One of her 'success' stories lost just 50 pounds- out of 200. If you ask me, some people are genetically programmed to be large, just like some are programmed to be small. I didn't think it was worth it.

My blood sugars are fine on a little metformin and Januvia, my blood pressure is fine, my lipid profile is fine. I am able to exercise. I can easily live on my diet plan for the rest of my life. I have always been large- by the time I was 3 years old, doctors were already putting me on diets. My mother didn't overfeed me- and she served good  home cooked meals from scratch every day- lots of veggies and fruits from the garden. I did not eat more than my friends, and I still don't.  I am not an emotional overeater, a boredom eater, an eater of calorie-dense foods- so why am I fat?

Once somebody can figure THAT out, and find a cure that really is a cure- I will be the first in line to receive the treatment. Until then, I will just be a beautiful, bountiful woman.

sandy


I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/18/2008 9:22 AM (GMT -7)   
"When in doubt, don't" That's a good motto for most anything. Your point about this age of the "knife and pill" is so true. It's frightening, but we're suppose to put those valid fears aside in view of all the safeguards and success stories of modern medicine.

NORMAL FEAR can be a good thing! It keeps us on our toes and feeds a healthy respect for danger. ARE WE SUPPOSED TO PUT THAT ASIDE?? The bandwagon rolls merrily along but who knows where it's really going??? ...or why it's going?

The promise of a solution to my weight woes and a new and wonderful life is SO tempting! This Diabetes makes me want to pull my hair out! It's SO frustrating for me. WLS is not easy, but the potential freedom...Sigh...

I've been heavy since my late teens. And obese since my mid 20's and Morbidly obese since my late 20's.

Jeannie143
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   Posted 4/20/2008 11:49 PM (GMT -7)   
A.F.MomDiane,
I was hoping at one time to get bypass surgery but my insurance company at the time said they needed documented proof that I had failed (yet again) at a "real" weight loss attempt. (Not a storefront clinic or pre-packaged food plan.) What they were saying is that I would have to go through the hospital program which was supervised liquid protein for a quick weight loss and then the conversion to real food, but much less of it, coordinated with an exercise program. AND I had to pay for it myself.

I had neither the time nor the money to do that so I just kept fighting the good fight. Since then four women and two men I know have had the bypass. One of the men died after losing over 250 lbs. He started eating large amounts of food again and ruptured something in his stomach, got peritonitis and died of septic shock. One of the women is thin, and divorced her husband, married a guy she met on the internet... She just turned into a new person. One woman is looking good and saving up to have her "bat wings" on her under arms removed. Then she is getting a tummy tuck for the excess skin on her belly. The other two women slowly ate their way back up to a big size and have stretched their pouches by constant eating. The surgery didn't fix the thing that made them eat....

I would love it if there were some kind of pill or surgery that would temporarily remove your sense of smell and taste for a while. Then you could just eat nutritious food and set times of the day and not worry about it. My husband is a recovering alcoholic and he just doesn't drink alcoholic beverages... but we have to stare down our demons at every meal and every stop at the grocery store. Sometimes it gets depressing. sad
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/21/2008 10:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Yesterday I was reading an artical at MSN about WLS (weight loss surgery) as the closest thing to a cure for Type 2 Diabetes and many forms of Cancer...

It was scarey, it was like a cruel sales pitch towards desparate people! No mention of the dangers or the possibilities, no mention of the pain and the dumping and the risk. Just this "pie in the sky" come jump on the Bandwagon and all your woes will go away talk.

As I read between the lines, my suspicious mind pictured them herding the fat cows towards the operating tables and counting the money as they left. This doctor was so excited it was frightening! Then again, LOL, I have a vivid imagination. But that's what I was thinking!!

DID ANYONE ELSE READ THAT ARTICAL???

Then he said he wished they'd lower the bar on qualifying, that way MORE folks who are Diabetics, type 2's, could get this surgery! Again, no mentions of ANY dangers by either him or the interviewer!!

MAN! This guy was selling it! His pitch was great!
Then my train of thought progressed towards the next possible step. What if eventually they'd make this a REQUIREMENT for Diabetics??? If this guy had any say in it they would!!! (yeah, I'm a little paranoid, LOL)

ANYWAY...I'VE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE WLS Dahhhhh...with what I've read lately,
it's a "no-brainer".

tutorgirl
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   Posted 4/21/2008 12:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Last night on 60 Minutes there was an interesting segment on gastric by-pass surgery. You can see the video by going here

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml

and going down to the videos and click on the gastric bypass one. It sheds some more light on the benefits.
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>Karen<
~Forum Moderator/Diabetes~


gelchick
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   Posted 4/21/2008 1:22 PM (GMT -7)   
This sounds like the same guy that was on the 60 minutes segment. Whenever Leslie Stahl asked him a question about the negatives, he pushed them aside.
 
They did stress over and over that you would not get skinny, maybe lose 1/3 of your body mass on average, and thet there was no real cure for obesity- but the same guy said his patients were cured of diabetes. I wonder a bout the ones they didn't interview- the ones who gained the weight back- I'd like to know if they were back to being diabetics.  Also- the patients did say that they can only eat about 4 ounces of food at a time- it has to be very hard to spike your blood sugar on 4 ounce dinners- esp, when they are told to eat proteins first.
sandy
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 4/21/2008 3:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, it was a print of the 60 minutes interview come to think of it! So she DID ask about the negatives?? Good for her. Tell me...regarding the doc, was he a crazed, shifty eyed little man with an evil laugh?? Did he wring his hands in antisapation of recruiting new patients??? Or does he save all that behavior for the operating room? Just kidding!! He's probably a wonderful man, just wonderful. Hmmmmmm...

Thank GOD for forums like this. It's so nice to have a vast resource of good people to talk to!!

I'm still going to the orentation class on the 6th. (Maybe I can be a spy!LOL) I'm taking my tape recorder. It will be interesting to listen and learn more.
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