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Sogno
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Date Joined Apr 2008
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   Posted 4/21/2008 3:23 AM (GMT -7)   
ceebee-
you had replied to (Jeannie on) my post about Lipitor alternatives (thank you, by the way) - you said that you had taken both Lipitor and Crestor, and that now you were trying to control your cholesterol with diet. Did you tell your doctor that you can't tolerate the statins, or are you doing the diet thing on your own? I'm curious, because I'm not sure how to tell my doctor that I just don't feel good/right about taking a statin (Lipitor). I'm afraid she'll drop me as a patient! (Isn't that crazy?) She is trying to convince me that my high cholesterol is hereditary, but not one single member of my family has it! I truly believe that it has to do with the drastic changes I've made (read: body is in a new "state of trauma", so to speak, because of the diabetes, brand new diet and exercise program, new meds, etc.). She doesn't think I'm going to drop dead from a heart attack in the next 10 years, so I can't understand why she doesn't let me continue with the weight loss, exercise, etc., let my body settle down, and test my cholesterol in another 6 months??? I've never seen a drug pushed so hard by doctors as Lipitor!!!
This whole cholesterol thing has me baffled...I'm on the Bernstein diet, I've lost 50 pounds in 5 months, I'm exercising regularly, and I'm probably in the best shape I've ever been in (thank you, type 2 diabetes, for the wake-up call). Is it better to go low-carb to control blood sugar, or low-fat to control cholesterol, because I sure can't find a diet that does both! It's a double-edge sword, that's for sure. Will you please let me know how the controlling cholesterol with diet goes? I feel very strongly about not taking a cholesterol med, and I'd love to hear alternative success stories. By the way, I totally agree with you - statins eat away at muscle, and the heart IS a very big muscle!!!
Thanks for listening (er, reading...),
Sogno
Sidenote: There have to be more people out there like you and me who don't want to or can't take cholesterol meds...I wish they'd speak up and give us their stories.
 

Jeannie143
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   Posted 4/21/2008 7:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Sogno,
I'm poking my nose in here just to answer one of your questions.

It is better to go low-carb to control both cholesterol and blood glucose. Carbs have been linked to cholesterol production in the body. And on the other hand, even the Adkins food plan which is very high in animal fats has been linked to lowering cholesterol. Food scientists are still working on this one, but if you will notice, the low fat craze has not made people thinner but made them fatter. Also, the best you can do is add plenty of monosaturated plant oils to your plan along with lean meats. (olives, peanuts, almonds, avocados, olive oil) These fats slow emptying time in the stomach and act as kind of a timed release in the intestines slowing down carb absorption and so avoiding intense post-meal spikes. Hope this helps.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


tutorgirl
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   Posted 4/21/2008 12:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Jeannie, I must be an anomaly to the low carb high protein thing causing good cholesterol numbers. When I had blood work done in January after doing low carb since August my cholesterol skyrocketed from 148 with Zocor (generic form) to 282 with no meds. Needless to say I am back on meds. Before I started lowcarbing my cholesterol w/o any meds ran right at 200. Go figure.
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>Karen<
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ceebee
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   Posted 4/21/2008 9:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sogno:)

I also follow the Bernstein diet but go low fat with it. I know, doesn't leave much to eat:( I was diagnosed in late October of 2007 with type 2. All my tests were off including blood pressure. Doctor put me on crestor(then lipitor) and a blood pressure med. My bp went too low for me to live a normal life and I went off. My bp is now running 101 to 114 over 78. Normal. I get all the blood work in early June and am thinking maybe now that my diabetes is under control and my body is getting back to normal readings in everything else that the cholesterol is good too? We'll see in June. I have also lost 90 pounds. Gees, I feel thin:) I had a doctor who wanted to change meds that worked for me just because he changed which company he owned stock in. Makes you wonder?? I also just read an article that people with normal cholesterol are having just as many heart attacks as ones with high. My Mom got type 2 in her early 50's and never took cholesterol drugs and never had any of the complications of diabetes either. She kept her bg in the 70's and 80's with meds and eating right. She lived until she was 84. So, you have a choice. Weigh the pro and cons and do what is best for you with all the information you can get. Sit down and talk to the doctor and tell your concerns. Ask what harm waiting 6 months to see what happens could do. I don't have a choice as these drugs are bad for me. Take care.

Congratulations on the weight loss:)

Marburg
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   Posted 4/22/2008 11:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sogno,

I agree with both Jeannie and ceebee. I used cholesterol lowering drugs for a very long time and I had all kinds of side effects from muscle cramps to high liver enzymes and fatigue. One day I just said enough was enough and took myself off the (I had used lipitor, crestor, baycol, zocor, etc) cholesterol meds. I began watching how much fat I ate. There are a lot of foods that can be combined for tasty meals that are low fat and low carb. I used extra lean meats and added a lot more chicken. I made sure to have a salad with each meal or as a snack. In 4 weeks my liver enzymes went down to near normal (took almost 12 months for them to reach normal levels), and I lost 16 pounds. The muscle cramps disappeared after 2 months. At 90 days my cholesterol was actually too low and I was told by the doctor to add some fats. The following year my cholesterol was normal. It has been between 166 and 195 ever since (3 years now). After the first year I finally told my doctor that I wasn't taking the meds. After yelling at me about taking myself off, he officially ended the medication and stated that it appeared to be working for me. Also, I am one of those folks who can eat oatmeal as long as I add some protein. So breakfast included a small bowl of oatmeal, some ham or chicken, lunch was a salad (usually some variation of chef salad) and dinner was a lean meat, veg, salad. I learned that using low fat dressings and low fat other stuff actually caused my cholesterol to go up so I tend to use something like "I Can't Believe It's Not..." and a vinegarette dressing.

Sogno
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Date Joined Apr 2008
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   Posted 4/22/2008 4:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Ceebee -
WOW! 90 pounds! That is EXCELLENT! You must be absolutely thrilled! I cannot WAIT until I can announce a 90-pound weight loss! You are definitely an inspiration. Do you eat whole eggs, full fat cheese, avocado, nuts, olives, etc? I'm trying to figure out how to do the Bernstein diet, only low-fat. (Maybe that's why I've only lost 50 pounds so far...?) I eat lots of salads, green vegetables (raw and cooked), and lean meats (my husband is a deer hunter, so we always have plenty of venison around). But, I also eat those things I mentioned above (the Bernstein-approved fats). Do you get hungry on your low fat version of his diet? Evenings are the worst for me. I could easily go all day without eating a thing. But from dinner on, I'm hungry up until bed. I don't understand it, because I'm following his diet to a "t". Oh, what I'd give for a piece of chocolate these days...LOL

Sogno
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Date Joined Apr 2008
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   Posted 4/22/2008 4:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Marburg -
I knew there had to be other people on here who couldn't (or chose not to) take statins for high cholesterol. Thank you for replying to my post. You have given me very good advice on what to eat and what not to eat. Do you get hungry on your low fat/low carb diet? I'm already doing the Bernstein diet with his "approved" fats, and I'm hungry in the evenings. Also, do you eat egg yolks? I've read so many differing opinions on egg yolks versus cholesterol - it's hard to decipher what is right or wrong on that subject! Thanks for sharing your cholesterol story, and for the great meal tips! Time to go buy some blueberries...LOL

ceebee
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 401
   Posted 4/23/2008 11:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sogno:)

I eat real cheese just because I do not like low fat cheese and wouldn't eat it otherwise. I eat nuts and olives but in moderation and not daily. I use egg beaters and I Can't believe its Butter to cut fats. I also now have either the carb and sugar control yogurt or smoothies from Light and Lively for breakfast I also drink diet soda(many here don't), Chrystal Light and General International decaf coffee in mocha(tastes just like hot cocoa and hits the chocolate crave with only 2g carb). I also can have some chocolate as long as it has a high cocoa count(65 or more). Not much and not often, but it saves me craving sweets. I don't eat much meat. Venison is low fat as the wild meats are. I just read, read, read the packaging and plan my eating by that. I have been on prednisone on and off for two years and full time for eight months. It makes it hard to keep bg down and to lose weight. The doctors are amazed that I can keep the bg 70 to 90 and lose weight while on it. The endo said if I think I am losing weight now, wait until I am off the pred. I am on 10mg now then to 5mg for a month and hopefully off. You just have to keep checking how each food affects your bg. For me, I can't eat anything with wheat or any grains. Plus fruit raises my bg really high, really fast.
You have lost FIFTY pounds and that is FANTASTIC!!! Keep working on keeping the diabetes in check with your eating and you will lose more. The weight is secondary to keeping this disease in check. I am militant with eating just because I love my family and life so much and want to be here to enjoy it all as long as I can and be as healthy as I can be. I question, seek answers and listen to my body. This forum and its moderators and members help each other make this walk through life with diabetes a little easier:) You are on the right path. Take care and most of all, take time to be happy and smile:)
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