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Gene214
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   Posted 5/30/2008 7:03 PM (GMT -7)   
AT what high gluecose level does the pancreas become harmed?  I have jumped over from the prostate forum.  Gene 214


Radical open removal 2-14-07, Gleason 3+3=6
Removal of stricture 6-07, incontinence continues
Bio-feedback (4) 08-07 (no improvement)
Scheduled for AUS & implant 05-08
Surgeon cancelled one day pre-surgery.
EKG at primary care doctor...he didn't like what he saw
Nuclear stress 5/13/08
Heart cath scheduled for 5/27
63 years old at time of nerve-sparing surgery


Jeannie143
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   Posted 5/31/2008 6:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Not just the pancreas, but the entire body suffers permanent damage at any number over 150 more than two hours after a meal. That's 8.3 in European numbers.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Gene214
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   Posted 5/31/2008 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Jeannie143, that seems incredible.  When I eat the very best way possible, I will be over that, sometimes a lot over that when I check it in two hours.  Can you elaborate?  I know I should know more, but I don't.

Gene214


Radical open removal 2-14-07, Gleason 3+3=6
Removal of stricture 6-07, incontinence continues
Bio-feedback (4) 08-07 (no improvement)
Scheduled for AUS & implant 05-08
Surgeon cancelled one day pre-surgery.
EKG at primary care doctor...he didn't like what he saw
Nuclear stress 5/13/08
Heart cath scheduled for 5/27
63 years old at time of nerve-sparing surgery


LanieG
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   Posted 5/31/2008 10:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Gene, are you Type 1 or type 2?  Are you on medication for diabetes?  I'm not sure what you mean when you say you "eat the best way possible", but in a nutshell:  carbohydrates will give you high blood sugar.  If you are continuing to eat breads, cereals, rice, potatoes, corn, or pastas, then you will have high blood sugar readings afterwards.  Check out the Atkins Diet or South Beach Phase 1 or Dr. Bernstein's books on diabetes - they will explain more in detail.  Can you give us an idea what a typical meal is for you? 

Lanie
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diabetes controlled so far by low/no carb diet and exercise; no meds


Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/1/2008 12:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Gene,
Don't feel badly that you don't have full knowledge of a working diabetic food plan... I know certified, diploma'd nutritionists who don't get it yet! tongue Heck, I had this disease diagnosed over 10 years ago (tho I'd probably had it longer) and spent those 10 years with my head in the sand, taking my meds and trying to follow the American Diabetes Association guidelines... Ended up on three prescriptions and INSULIN!

Had to run out of money for the drugs and have no insurance before I got desperate enough to go back to the drafting table and attack my high sugars at the source, the food I was putting in my mouth! With the help of my more knowledgeable friends here on the forum I was able to bring my sugars down to 95-110 morning fasting on metformin and exercise alone. It's not difficult, just takes a little innovation and planning. Read back in the posts and you will see how we all do it with a low carb, nothing white but cauliflower, cave man food plan. It really works because it's the way your body was designed to process food.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Gene214
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   Posted 6/1/2008 7:19 PM (GMT -7)   

I have type two but have largely ignored things while putting attention on my prostate cancer.  Now, I've got to go back to work.  I know elimination of carbs is the key, but I love 'em.  But will now do better.

Gene 214


Radical open removal 2-14-07, Gleason 3+3=6
Removal of stricture 6-07, incontinence continues
Bio-feedback (4) 08-07 (no improvement)
Scheduled for AUS & implant 05-08
Surgeon cancelled one day pre-surgery.
EKG at primary care doctor...he didn't like what he saw
Nuclear stress 5/13/08
Heart cath scheduled for 5/27
63 years old at time of nerve-sparing surgery


LanieG
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Total Posts : 5396
   Posted 6/2/2008 8:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gene, you have a lot to deal with and I hope you're doing ok now.  I also thought there was no way to give up eating carbs but there are wonderful and delicious ways around them and good substitutes.  Eating fewer carbs not only helps bring down high blood sugar but may also help you lose weight (if you need to) and may also help lower cholesterol.  This is what I've exerienced.  Good luck and let us know how you're doing.

Lanie
forum moderator - diabetes
diabetes controlled so far by low/no carb diet and exercise; no meds


Gene214
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   Posted 6/2/2008 9:24 AM (GMT -7)   

I forgot to answer your question. I take 500 mg of Metformin once a day, but either I must do much better or increase the dosage.  Last week, in addition to other things, I had three stents!  Now, again, I am going to do much better.

Gene 214


Radical open removal 2-14-07, Gleason 3+3=6
Removal of stricture 6-07, incontinence continues
Bio-feedback (4) 08-07 (no improvement)
Scheduled for AUS & implant 05-08
Surgeon cancelled one day pre-surgery.
EKG at primary care doctor...he didn't like what he saw
Nuclear stress 5/13/08
Heart cath scheduled for 5/27
63 years old at time of nerve-sparing surgery


Jeannie143
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Total Posts : 6056
   Posted 6/2/2008 11:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Good grief! You have lots going on. I will tell you that after about three days of low carb eating the craving goes away. At least it did for me. good luck with this and come back for all the help you need. We don't know everything but we will do our best to help you.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


ceebee
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   Posted 6/3/2008 2:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gene:)

I am a carbaholic. I gave up carbs and if I can, you can. I lived to carb! This forum is my five step program and if I feel like I want to indulge, I come here for support:) Good luck and take care.
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