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Jack Ryan
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   Posted 8/13/2008 10:21 PM (GMT -7)   
I ate a big plate of home made chocolate chip cookies today. Drank a whole glass of skim milk and I didn't check my sugar all day long.
 
Guess what? It's past midnight and I didn't die, have a heart attack or get any thing cut off.
 
I don't do it every day but come on people, relax a little bit. You are going to blow up from anxiety.
 
If I get hit by a truck on the way home in the morning it would really tick me off if I skipped a slice of pizza this evening for nothing and die any way.
 
I don't want to be blind when I "walk in front of that truck" any more than any one else but we've all got to live a little bit or we may as well be chopped up in pieces and tossed in the hole tomorrow. There's no way out of life alive and I don't intend to waste what ever amount I've got obsessing about food, either lack of it or over abundance of it.

Post Edited (Jack Ryan) : 8/13/2008 11:24:55 PM (GMT-6)


ericsmom
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   Posted 8/14/2008 5:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Jack...jack...Jack.... nono
 
No...you didnt drop dead, or have a heart attack...Diabetes is a silent killer, at the beginning hon.  You're right about one thing in particular though.  We all need to let loose now and then and just enjoy a day of being carefree, just dont overdo it, that's all.
I dont obsess about this disease until I start reading the consequences of lack of discipline.  There is no doubt about it...Diabetes sucks mad
 
How long has it been since your diagnosis?  If not long, I would think you are in denial at the moment.  It does take time to come to terms with it.  Especially when you are young and all your buddies are eating whatever they want, and drinking all they want.  You can't do that anymore, the price my dear is too high.  I have personally known 2 people who scoffed at their disease..they are no longer with us...both were relatively young.
 
I just wish I had been there to share those cookies, so you wouldnt have ate sooo many by yourself tongue
 
So....now that you got that out of your system....get out that monitor and watch what you eat starting today. I eat cakes etc...but I plan around it..I know it's depressing, but...........if you do...you can have that cookie (notice I didnt spell that in plural form) nono   or other treats...you just cant let things get out of hand..and that is so easy to do.  I dont let Diabetes define me...but I wont let it kill me either.
 
Keep venting, I know you are pissed off...and you have a right to be.  Just let it all out, we are here for you.
 
 
Hugs, Diane
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LanieG
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   Posted 8/14/2008 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   
So, Jack, do you give yourself a glucose tolerance test often?  Well I did the same thing last Easter with a chocolate peanut butter rabbit, so I can't yell at you.  BUT - if it becomes a regular occurrence ...... nono skull .  Actually, I don't think overloading like that (or what I did) was a good thing honestly.  It would have been better to eat one or two cookies with a glass of whole milk.  The fat in the milk helps carry the carb overload longer - of course, there was probably a lot of fat in the cookies anyway.  Yes, I understand frustration well.  At the same time, I wouldn't use it to justify frequent binges because that would lead to frequent, extended high levels of blood sugar and that'll cause harm.  I've eaten spoons of birthday cake or regular ice cream or some acorn squash with brown sugar (Thanksgiving is the excuse for that one), so I don't feel like I'm depriving myself, but this is not a regular habit.  Yeah a piano could fall on my head, so that's why I look up when I'm in a big city.  Look both ways before crossing the street.  Not for pianos, of course.
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Lanie
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Jack Ryan
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   Posted 8/14/2008 9:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, I know.

No it's nothing "new". I was diagnosed 5-6 years ago.

More than any thing else, more than not eating too much of this or that, I get sick and tired of hearing about it. Diabetes on TV, diabetes in the news paper, diabetes on the radio, diabetes at work diabetes diatebetes diabetes, it's gonna kill ya, it's gonna make ya go blind, it's gonna this and gona that. Every frigg'n bad thing on the planet has some kind of connection to diabetes.

Ya know what? People died before they ever heard of diabetes and people are gonna die after they find a cure for it.

I tired of having it shoved in my face. Of course they have to show a big mac comercial before they tell me how I can get a free meter and a crispy creme sales pitch after.

I think about half or more of every thing in existence in the modern world today is some kind of scam put together by liars out to cheat the other half out of their money. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if the medical comunity and the sugar industry are all in cahoots together.

LanieG
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   Posted 8/14/2008 10:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Jack, it sounds like this is the tip of the iceberg here.  Well anyway, if we're hearing about diabetes left and right, it's because it's more widespread today because more and more people are diagnosed where they weren't years ago and there are more people who are developing it than before, and the general population is getting older, so there are more diagnoses.  Even so, why let all this upset you?  I just deal with me and my situation.  I rarely watch TV, except now for the Olympics, so I miss all those ads.  Gosh, pay them no mind and just take care of yourself. 

Lanie
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Jack Ryan
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   Posted 8/15/2008 5:37 PM (GMT -7)   
It may be getting more prevalent as the age demographic moves up but I don't believe it is any where near the epic proprotional increase they are promoting.
 
The medical community keeps moving the definition of what diabetes actually is every time they want more funding.
 
I'm also tired of hearing and reading how fat, lazy and stupid people are because they have diabetes. That's bull hockey. I swear if a truthful detailed study were done a great deal of diabetes could be linked to toxic exposures.
 
I work at an aluminum foundry and the level of diabetes, pancreatic cancer, brain cancer, lung cancer, MS, parkinsons, skin cancer is unbelievable. Funny how now these companies all want to dump the expense of living with these diseases on those lazy fat stupid employees they pumped full of aluminum, PCB, and asbestos.

LanieG
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   Posted 8/16/2008 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
It's true that the parameters have been moved down for diabetes.  I'm not sure if it's the result of conspiracy by doctors and pharmaceutics though.  Studies do show that a normal's blood sugar runs a lot lower than what the ADA says diabetics should aim for, so lowering the blood sugar readings for diagnosis is not such a bad thing.  Exposure to those chemicals will definitely have effects on the health and it would be interesting to see if diabetes is included if we could isolate that factor.  Jack, still, even though all this may be true, I can't walk around seething about all this.  If you are a proactive person, then get involved in change and reform, but don't give up on taking care of your own diabetes by your diet and exercise of some sort.

Lanie
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diabetes controlled so far by low/no carb diet and exercise; no meds


Phishbowl
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   Posted 8/16/2008 6:35 PM (GMT -7)   
You' re right, Jack. It's everywhere. If you're watching a commercial/ Ad/ etc.... someone has paid a LOT of money that you might see it - and act on it. They're out for a return on their investment. It's just unfortunate that there are so many more "vendors" out there because there is a market to sell to. Few of them have your best interest at heart :(

I dislike how many seem to take advantage of the situation but the truth to all the madness is... it's time we look at our lifestyles and what it's doing to us. Most of the diabetes epidemic is related to diet/lifestyle but, I'll be the first to say that it comes in all shapes and sizes and you can't judge a book by it's cover. No one was more surprised than me to be diagnosed Type 1 at 37 years old :-) Some of my research has it possibly linking to my Scandinavian blood and something to do with antibiotic-fed cows and hormones in the milk. This kinda research/topic could be a whole new thread :-)

I, for one, am glad that there is such a spotlight on Diabetes these days, only because more prevalence means more funding for research and hopefully one day, a cure. At the very least, there is a noticeable improvement in the pace with which new and better tools are introduced.

Being Type1, I can cover "anything" with insulin. In theory. Any changes to my routine just "cost" me... in extra strips, extra insulin, extra time thinking about it, yada, yada. But, sometimes, it's worth the extra cost involved. I just know nothing is for free with the 'D' anymore :-)

BTW... here in Canada it is illegal for drug companies to advertise on TV. A recent trip to the USA had my Hubby and I commenting on just how inundated you guys are, though! It was unbelievable (like every second commercial). We usually watch channels without ads, just 'cause we hate them so much.

Cheers,
Kris
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- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

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ericsmom
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   Posted 8/17/2008 6:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning Kris
 
I just wanted to comment on your post.  We live in Canada too, and have 2 satellites, one canadian, the other is american.
You are so right...the american one, it seems every second commercial is new medications...or lawyers promising quick settlements on lawsuits over people who have had dreadful consequences taking some of those meds. rolleyes   
 
Hugs
Diane
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gelchick
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   Posted 8/17/2008 3:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Jack,
 
I am just so tired of hearing about how all of the ills of the world are associated with diabetes. I'm just waiting to read about how hangnails are more prevalent in diabetics. I scream at the TV every time that commercial for Januvia comes on- they mispronounce the word sulfonylurea several times and make it look like its a flippin achievement to walk up a flight of stairs-I even called them to report how disgusted I was with their quality control and wondering if their drugs are equally mismanaged-lol
 
But it doesn't make me eat a plate of cookies to see if I wake up the next morning. I'm not going to shake my finger at your dinner choice. I'm not your mother. If you choose to eat cookies- go for it- I hope they were homemade and extremely excellent, not some hard, disgusting packaged brand.
 
I have a carb-worthiness scale that I rate foods by, and if something is not sitting at 9.5 - 10.0, I usually choose not to eat it, not because of some silly dietary rule, but because I think I'm worth quality. I eat Lindt chocolate, because I don't have the luxury of stuffing my face with Hershey bars without consequence and because a small quantity of that chocolate leaves me perfectly satisfied. I eat one cookie, fresh out of the oven, one fresh brownie out of the pan, one slice of artisan bread that I worked all day to produce- not because I am a diabetic, but because the quantity satisfies me - Sandy, the person. When I go to the Minnesota state fair- I eat deep fried cheese curds, deep fried Milky way bars, sweet Martha chocolate chip cookies - in fact every thing I want to eat that day- but I'm usually quite satisfied after a couple of bites and I'm walking around for 12 hours. the first year I checked my blood sugar 14 times, last year I checked it twice when I felt like I was going to pass out, and I was, in fact, down in the lower 60's - so I got to eat even more :-)
 
Make your decisions, but make them good ones, based on your needs as a human being and a diabetic- not based on external hype- it's only a matter of time before some new disease becomes the darling of the media and they'll leave us alone.
sandy
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


Jeannie143
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   Posted 8/20/2008 10:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Jack,
I've been where you are, for about 10 years after I was diagnosed, and I have the neuropathy and the glasses to prove it... I drank alcohol while on meds that weren't supposed to be mixed with it, binged on favorite carbs and basically acted like the spoiled brat that I was. Yes, I was scared, too. Yes, I was also angry. It takes some time to come to grips with this beast but once I did so, I found I had to do it all over again several more times. shakehead It wasn't so much the commercials in my face because I am a busy working lady who makes wedding cakes and seldom have time for TV. For me it was the constant counting, figuring, adding and adjusting while I was trying to make sense of my ADA diet and my meds.

It wasn't until I plain ran out of money, was without insurance and couldn't afford my Avandia and Lantus that I made a liberating discovery. My friends here helped me start on my "nothing white but cauliflower" food plan and my burden became MUCH lighter! No figuring, no confusion and no crazy! I eat lean meats, fish, eggs and cheeses, lots of fresh and frozen veggies, nuts and olives, some delicious fruits and occasionally 1/2 cup of excellent ice cream. I even eat some chocolate most every day, (from Aldi's, the most luscious and inexpensive chocolate I've found for my bakery!) and I've accepted my disease, dropped my numbers, dropped about 40 lbs. and got rid of my expensive meds and insulin. I now take $4 a month metformin, swim and live better than I did before I was diagnosed.

As far as the "diabetes epidemic" is concerned, everything from childhood vaccines to the use of corn syrup sweeteners in our diet has been brought up as suspect. Whatever the reason, I'm living and living well with diabetes and use this forum to help me stay on the straight and narrow. Yup, the reward for being "good" is that you just get to be "good" some more, but the time that being good gives me is time with my darling grandchildren who were not around when I started this fight. I have to take care of me because if I don't, who will? And I don't want to be a burden to my children because I didn't do the best I could. So... I just KOKO.... Keep on Keepin' on... and take it one meal or snack at a time. I wanted to tell you this so you will see that it does become easier over time.

Take care.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


ScooterFL
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   Posted 8/23/2008 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Just wanted to chime my 2 cents in. Diabetes is in fact growing at epidemic proportions. It is no wonder why, the way carbs are literally shoved down out throats. Walk through any grocery store walk up and down every isle. Observe the square footage dedicated to carbohydrates as compared to meats and vegetables. Amazing isn't it? Next look at any snack vending machine. What do you see? It is no wonder that if you live in North America that you are likely overweight, diabetic, or have high cholesterol. Or like me all three plus hypertension to boot. Plain and simple I am a carb junkie and have been for years. After being diagnosed earlier this year I have made an effort to watch what I eat, I now exercise on a daily basis and feel better than I have in years. There is no reason why anyone can't enjoy life without eating cookies. I know because cookies were always my biggest weakness. I don't even think about them anymore.

We all live by the choices that we make. over indulging today and again tomorrow and the next day may well have an impact on the rest of our lives. Just like a junkie or an alcoholic I CAN NOT go back to my old ways of eating. I now take my pill everyday and my a1c went from 8.7 in February to 6.1 in May of this year. I am about due for my next one and expect it to be down a bit more.

If you know you can avert or delay future problems by making healthy choices. Why wouldn't you? I have enough problems caused by poor choices in life. I surely don't need to add to them. Just my 2 cents.
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Jeannie143
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   Posted 8/25/2008 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow! What a dramatic drop in your A1c! You are truly working this thing. I hope you're not in Florida, as your name suggests... Or at least that you're not having the flooding where you are. Take care.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Wheelchair Bound
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   Posted 9/6/2008 2:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Jack

A small treat once in a great while may not hurt if you don't over do it. This past month I have been enjoying eating fresh tomatoes and cucumbers from my neighbors garden. She planted a lot of them and has much surplus which she has shared with me. I just love those cherry tomatoes she brings me. They are great for a snack or part of a meal. They are also good for you. They are also wonderful in a salad, just lay off the dressing. You need to take diabetes seriously or it may get you like it got me. Both legs amputated very high December 2007 and my eyesight is not very good. I suspected I had it four or five years ago but didn't really do anything about it until I started having much more serious problems two plus years ago. Take care of yourself. I know it's hard to for go alot of foods you like. It's what you need to do though. It's no fun pushing yourself around in a wheelchair and being legally blind as I am. I wish I had taken it seriously sooner. I might still be able to drive a car or at least find my way around in the dark without a white cane. Maybe I'd even be able to walk? Who knows. The point is, Take care of yourself.

Wheelchair Bound
Linda

Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/7/2008 6:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Linda,
Aren't the tomatoes just awesome right now?!?!? Tonight I ate three of them at dinner! Yummm!
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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