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TVEditor
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   Posted 8/21/2008 8:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, I'm just coming up to the end of week #5 since starting testing & my diet ... I'm down 14 pounds as of this morning.  Its a little disturbing because the weight loss isn't occuring as much where I expected (the Spare Tire).  My wrist watch keeps slipping off and I can't seem to get my belt tight enough any more!  Plus, apparently I have a collar bone and knobby shoulders!  Weird.
 
A question about the Daily Roller Coaster:
 
My after-waking reading is usually around 6.0 (108).  I find that I am most sensitive to carbs during the breakfast to lunch period and was wondering if there is a reason for that.  For example, I used to (2 weeks ago) have a 1/2 bowl of Cheerios, a few raspberries and a bit of skim milk.  This pushed my next reading up to 10 or 11 (180-198).  The same thing would happen after a mid-morning snack of a granola bar -- my before lunch reading would end up being around 7.0 (126).  I assumed it was the starchy cereal components so I cut both the morning bowl and the granola bar out of my regimen.  This worked well -- (today) before breakfast - 5.5, after - 6.7 (99 - 120).  The part I don't understand is why it seems to be that I can eat more as the day progresses.
 
Last night, for another example, I had a steak (probably too big ;-), steamed beans, a mess 'o salad, some blueberries and even some low-cal pudding for dessert.  It was a big meal but resulted in the good number (5.5 or 99) this morning.  I do eat supper late (after 8 pm usually) so maybe this explains something?

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   Posted 8/21/2008 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Chris, this is probably related to an extension of Dawn Phenomenom - which I cannot explain well.  (Jeannie or Sandy will probably pop in and do this.)  In any case, this is very common and why upping the protein at breakfast while cutting way down on the carbs helps avoid the morning rise in blood sugar before lunch.  For example, a typical breakfast recommended by Dr. Richard Bernstein in his Diabetes Solution to counteract this would be:  an omelet made with 2 eggs, 1 mushroom, a tablespoon of heavy cream (not milk) sauteed in butter served with 2 bacon slices, or, 2 eggs scrambled with cream served with a tablespoon each of minced onion and green bell pepper sauteed in butter and served with 2 bacon slices.  I use Smart Balance with flax seed oil, turkey bacon and Egg Beaters.  Sometimes I use real eggs.  I also microwave a cheese puff to eat with breakfast.  It might not sound like enough to hold you till lunch but the proteins and fats in the meal keep you fuller much longer.   If you're hungry midmorning, have some nuts, cheese, and maybe some apple slices - but you'll have to test to see the effects on the blood sugar, as always.  Try something like this and see  how your blood sugar is affected.  (P.S.  Drink a glass of wine with dinner!)  Another option, of course, would be to eat that steak for breakfast.  cool



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Post Edited (LanieG) : 8/21/2008 10:19:10 AM (GMT-6)


TVEditor
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   Posted 8/21/2008 11:27 AM (GMT -7)   

I don't think I can eat that much for breakfast confused  ... but I see your point about more proteins & fats.  I was just surprised how a few carbs (not many in Cheerios & skim milk, I thought) would cause such a big upsurge in my numbers.

"Another option, of course, would be to eat that steak for breakfast.  cool "

Hmmm, steak AND  wine for breakfast .... now THERE's a thought turn

Talk about your Breakfast of Champions!

Last weekend, I BBQ'd myself up a nice cut of tenderloin & had 3 glasses of wine ... I know, I know  BAD ... but I counted one of the glasses as dessert :-)   My after dinner reading was lower than it had ever been!

I will do more research on this & report back. yeah


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   Posted 8/21/2008 11:55 AM (GMT -7)   

Since you're not on meds, Cherrios and skim milk will give you a rise in blood sugar, higher than you want.  For a person with normal metabolism, it would be ok, but unfortunately, you're not normal, I mean, your metabolism.  tongue   I know, I know, fiber and all that, but we're talking about blood sugar here.  I think if I even look at a cupcake, my blood sugar rises.  Switch over to a protein-laden breakfast instead.  I'm serious about the steak.  When we grill steaks on a weekend night, I can never eat the whole thing, so I finish it for breakfast.  If you think those omelets are LARGE shocked , then use one egg, or just fry one egg and eat a slice of bacon and maybe a slice of cheese.  If you're in a hurry, cook up a pan of broccoli-bacon-egg-cheese souffle ahead of time in a baking pan, cool, cut up into squares and freeze them individually.  Then, when you want to eat one, you can easily microwave it.  That's good when you don't have time to cook breakfast.  This should bring the morning blood sugar down better than after the cereal.  Now with dinner, regular wine is fine.  You're not on meds so you don't have to worry about it interfering with them.  Let us know about the research.   eyes


Lanie
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TVEditor
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   Posted 8/22/2008 7:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I know, I know, fiber and all that, but we're talking about blood sugar here.
 
Yes, its tricky isn't it?  Gotta keep the BG down, lose weight, lower cholesterol, up the fiber ...
 
... reminds me of an act I saw on Ed Sullivan (guys with plates)  tongue
 
Chris

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   Posted 8/22/2008 9:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Here's another line of thought.
 
I have Dawn Phenomenon- a very serious case too. I eat the highest number of fast acting carbs in my day for breakfast- I eat 5 oz of greek yogurt + a container of Kroger carb master yogurt, a cup of mixed berries + 1 additional fruit (apple, peach, grapefruit), a spoonful of almond butter and a sprinkle of kashi go Lean. I just put it all in a bowl and munch.
 
My morning numbers are generally in the mid to upper 90's and by the 2 hr post prandial mark- my bg level is about 82-84 and it stays low for the rest of the day.  This does not happen if I eat a high protein breakfast- in fact, if I do that, my numbers are actually in the 100-110 range for 3-4 hours after I eat, and rarely go lower than 89-90 for the rest of the day.
 
I stick to slow acting carbs ( non-starchy veggies_lots of them) for the rest of the day.
 
If I eat the breakfast that Lanie described ( with vegetarian substitutions-of course:-)), for dinner -I always wake up with a morning number in the mid-80's. So for me - it's carb in the morning, protein at night for the best numbers.
 
sandy
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


TVEditor
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   Posted 8/22/2008 3:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I tried Lanie's breakfast suggestion for lunch today and had one of my best 'after' numbers I've seen. I also tried it last weekend for breakfast and it does indeed work but since I get up at around 5 AM, I am sometimes wary of running dangerous equipment like the stove. (just because I'm UP at 5 doesn't necessarily mean I'm AWAKE!).

So the breakfast you describe (Sandy) works for you but probably would knock me off the charts. My 'waking/fasting/whutever' number is usually pretty low and stays that way unless I think the word 'carbs' or 'berries' or 'cereal'. Wish it would work -- I miss my simple bowl of fruit 'n grains. C'est la vie.

Lanie may be right then, about my having a 'delayed Dawn Phenomenon'. Since I eat supper between 8 & 10PM, it probably takes the place of the 'before bed snack'.

In any case, I'm getting better, according to my OneTouch program pie chart. Five weeks ago, I was eating right about 35% of the time. Today it shows 83% ... just a few spikes.

I see the Doc on Monday ... gonna bury him with paperwork! If nothing else, he'll be impressed with my research cool

Chris

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   Posted 8/22/2008 5:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Congratulations on your pie (ouch, a spike) chart success rate! yeah  I'll bet your doctor will be very happy with your progress when you see him.  I don't use software but, as I'd said before, I used my own chart that I printed out about a year and a half ago when I was still floundering around with diet.  Seventeen pages, both sides, of detailed food at meals, times, readings, activities, etc.  I highlighted remarkably good readings in green and bad ones in orange until I fine-tuned what I knew I could eat.  Sometimes it came down to the amount I ate of the "good food" that would cause higher readings than I wanted.  It paid off though.  When I brought this in to the doctor's office, she was shocked.    shocked    This was about 6 months after I told her to give me time to get myself together and figure out this mess.  On that visit, we didn't know it at the time but later learned that my A1c had dropped down to 5.6 from 6.6 six months before.  And my cholesterol fell to normal also.  All this because of no carbs and regular cardio workouts.   cool   As I've said:  if I can do this, anyone can!



Lanie
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Post Edited (LanieG) : 8/22/2008 6:52:23 PM (GMT-6)

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