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loularkin
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   Posted 3/8/2009 10:39 PM (GMT -7)   
The past year my glucose levels, fasting, have been around 108-114. My doctor acts like it is nothing to worry about and says to lose some weight and exercise 30 min per day..can be in 15 min sets. I do want to lose some weight and am wondering how many grams of carbs can I eat per day and still lose some of the pounds and possibly bring down my numbers?
Thanks!
Nan

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   Posted 3/9/2009 10:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Nan,
Simplest way to lose weight is to not eat anything white except cauliflower and cottage cheese. That's what I do and it has worked very well for me (when I stick to it turn). If you get your carbs from veggies and some small amounts of very "good for you" fruits, eat cheese, nuts and find an exercise you enjoy you will have things working better.

Pre-Diabetes means you are on the way to becoming impaired in your ability to handle carbs, so, why not just get them out of the way except in veggies? I do this because I don't have to count, measure, add, remember or figure anything. Besides, I have fibromyalgia and my brain doesn't always work!

Some others may be along soon with their ideas about counting carbs. I just am not up to it.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


TVEditor
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   Posted 3/10/2009 12:55 PM (GMT -7)   

Yup, follow Jeannie's advice Nan.  I did and I'm down 37 pounds since last July.  My numbers are well down too.

In my case, I just stopped eating potatoes, bread, pasta (all the white stuff) and sweets -- anything starchy or sugary.  Haven't counted anything except the melting poundage :)

If you follow the link in my post about the 'Low Carb Bread', you'll find a forum devoted to low-carb diets of various types.  Lots of OK food lists and recipes too.

Chris


~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy.) ;)

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loularkin
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   Posted 3/10/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the advice..I most definitely need it! My question is about the "Low Carb Bread." How much of the batter do you place in each muffin tin? I need to use exact measurements because my "estimating" on things has undoubtedly contributed to where I am at this point. What I "think" is a half cup, usually measures out to quite a bit more! haha Thanks so much and I will try the "no white" thing! Sounds interesting and even do-able! I need to lose weight and this will help with both that and lower BG numbers, I'm sure!
Nan

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   Posted 3/11/2009 12:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Nan,
When you first start this plan it seems weird to have an egg, cooked in 'good for you' olive oil with a slice of cheese over the top (for your calcium) for breakfast. We are programmed to believe we 'need' toast or cereal to start the day. Lunch is some romaine lettuce leaves with slices of turkey or deli ham and tomatoes. It's a 'breadless' sandwich. Soup is made with thinly sliced cabbage leaves to replace the noodles. Dinner is a lean meat plus two or three veggies and a nice salad as well. Olive oil can be added to ranch dressing to make it yummier and better for you.

Read back in the posts and you will find lots of ways to fix your numbers with a proper food plan. Works for me!
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


LanieG
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   Posted 3/11/2009 7:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nan, that's exactly where I was about 2 maybe 3 years ago.  My fasting blood sugar had been creeping up over the years and finally my GP prescribed a blood glucose monitor.  After floundering around for awhile, I realized that eating no carbs would bring my blood sugar down.  And it did and I also lost weight.  This is all about how we pre-diabetics, diabetics, glucose intolerants, etc. metabolize carbohydrates or rather how we don't metabolize them.  You'll find that to be an individual thing because we're all different.  Some of us can eat more carbs at a meal or at one time than others, so this is why it's hard to say how many carbs to eat.  It varies.  A strict low-carber who follows Dr. Bernstein's way of eating will eat about 30 grams of carbohydrates a day (6 at breakfast, 12 lunch and 12 dinner or around that).  If you follow the American Diabetes Association (if you live in the States), they'll suggest 45 carbs or more in a meal - yikes!  Doing that will keep my blood sugar very very high.  shocked   Since I don't take meds, I can't counteract blood sugar spikes.  So, whatever you're eating now, I'd suggest cutting the carbs in half.  Are you monitoring your blood sugar at home?  That's the only way you'll know how your body reacts to different food.  As Jeannie and Chris have said, if you cut out the potatoes, breads, cereals and pasta (and anything made with sugar and flour), your blood sugar will probably lower itself and you'll see instant results, that is, about 2 hours after you eat a meal. The "no carb bread" that Chris brought to our attention is actually called Revolution Bread!  I didn't use muffin tins because the recipe said to use "muffin top" tins which I don't have (at least I think that's what it said....).  Instead, I plopped several soupspoons of the batter onto parchment paper spread out on a cookie sheet.  I ended up making 14 bread muffins.  I'm going to make another batch tomorrow and tweak it a little with fewer eggs because I don't need so many muffins and I'm also going to try some grated parmesan in the batter itself, not just on top.  Let us know how this new way of eating works for you.  Ask questions!  :-)   Also, look back through some of our past threads about food and diet, and you'll learn even more.
Lanie
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Hara
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   Posted 3/12/2009 12:15 AM (GMT -7)   

Nan, I wish I had your blood sugar levels - WOW! Mine run between 84-284. The higher is for when I'm really stressed out. Mine have finally come back down to normal levals which fall around 80-125. I know I need to loose the weight to. I've packed it back on since my surgery in Feb. 09.

Hara - Fibromyalgia, MDepression, Diabetis, Anxiety, Sleep Apnea


Pogonia
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   Posted 3/14/2009 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
I just found this site and am prediabetic so would love to subscribe to this thread. Please forgive me but I see NO PLACE to subscribe to the diabetes forum, or individual threads. There is a place that says Mark this Forum read, but no link in front of it (as shown in the Help FAQs) saying to subscribe to this forum.
 
I am only able to access the internet when I make it to the library every week or two, but look forward to exploring this site more. Thanks for  your help. :)

loularkin
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   Posted 3/14/2009 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Everyone...well, I've been shooting for 130 grams of carbs per day...guess that is too much, huh??? What about 100 grams per day?? I've been on Adkins before and I just can't go that all protein business! I need some fruits and veggies! I need to lose about 70 pounds so I need to be able to control my calories as well as my carbs. Any suggestions??? I am getting in 30 min per day walking and that is going well, but I've been walking for years and years, had just kind of slacked off the past six months for a number of reasons. Just have to make myself do it every day, day in and day out whether I feel like it or not. My walking started to suffer when I began working again several years ago and know that isn't a reason but makes a good excuse! ; >) Thanks for all of the input...it certainly helps to know of others in the same boat, as my doctor isn't a load of help on this subject. He just keeps telling me "you know what to do, so do it!" Fortunately, my cholesteral, HDL, LDL, TriGs, etc are all where they are suppose to be so that is good news! Thanks again
Nan

Hara
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   Posted 3/15/2009 12:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Pogonia I just have to ask. How do you know you are pre-diabetic. Either you are or aren't diabetic there's no pre about it. But that's just my way of thinking.
Pogonia said...
I just found this site and am prediabetic so would love to subscribe to this thread. Please forgive me but I see NO PLACE to subscribe to the diabetes forum, or individual threads. There is a place that says Mark this Forum read, but no link in front of it (as shown in the Help FAQs) saying to subscribe to this forum.
 
I am only able to access the internet when I make it to the library every week or two, but look forward to exploring this site more. Thanks for  your help. :)

LanieG
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   Posted 3/15/2009 9:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nan, oh YES, a lot of us are in the same boat!  I've also been slacking off on the exercise lately and I know I have to get back on track.  I'm going to make a calendar chart and record the amount and type of exercise to help encourage me to keep it up.  I didn't need this a year ago but I need something to make me accountable now.  So, maybe that might work for you, too.  As far as the amount of carbs, that depends on the individual.  For me, the blood sugar is the bottom line.  I don't count carbs because I know what makes my blood sugar spike and run high.  I eat lots of vegetables along with protein.  I believe that might be the difference between Atkins and Bernstein.  (I have not followed Atkins, so I don't know where that diet stands on veggies.) 
 
Hara, years ago, doctors told patients they were "pre-diabetic" or had "impaired fasting glucose" if their fasting blood sugar ran between 100 and 126.  Supposedly, they diagnosed diabetics if their fasting was 126 or higher - along with a GTT and random testing.  I think the medical establishment is a little slow coming around to the fact that numbers between 100 and 126 mean diabetes in many cases.  I mean, it should not be diagnosed by one fasting but the point is, in my opinion, that consistent readings above 100 means diabetes although it might be able to be controlled by diet and exercise.  So, a person like me who fits in that range but can control the blood sugar without meds is what?  Some people call it "prediabetes"  Some people call it diabetes controlled by diet and exercise.  I call myself the latter.  My fasting is "impaired"  (I like that word; it takes the seriousness out of high blood sugar, ... NOT.)  if I eat like my husband and kids, but if I eat my low-carb way, I test as a "normal".  The bottom line, though, is not the name but if the blood sugar is controlled. 


Lanie
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TVEditor
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   Posted 3/15/2009 1:50 PM (GMT -7)   
pogonia:

"I just found this site and am prediabetic so would love to subscribe to this thread. Please forgive me but I see NO PLACE to subscribe to the diabetes forum, or individual threads."

I had a quick look around & it looks like you are right about the ability to subscribe to the forum in general. This could have something to do with the browser you are using. I use Firefox and was once informed that certain options don't show unless you are using Internet Explorer. If you want to subscribe to a particular thread, look below the text area when you reply to a message. There is a checkbox that says 'Notify me of reply postings by e-mail'.

Hope that helps,

Chris
~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

It's a small world -- but I wouldn't want to paint it
Steven Wright


Pogonia
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   Posted 3/15/2009 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
TVEditor,

Thanks for your reply. It seems I just won't be able to subscribe to a forum...I didn't see a notification on the reply screen but I'll look again when I post this. Maybe I just missed it. Thanks again. This is a great site. :)

Hara
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   Posted 3/15/2009 8:30 PM (GMT -7)   
There is a place to mark only if you want to keep track of a certain thread. It's at the bottom of your reply posting unless you do quick replies.
 
HARA

Pogonia
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   Posted 3/15/2009 11:01 PM (GMT -7)   
A doctor told me recently I was borderline hypothyroid (am taking low-dose Armour now, but half-heartedly), and prediabetic. That made sense to me with all the reading I've done, including Schwarzbein. My cholesterol is extremely high and I eat healthy. Nourishing Traditions book, Schwarzbein, etc. I have a time with abdominal fat despite watching my diet. Insulin resistance causes high cholesterol and puts one at risk for coronary problems. Which I have, also. It just seemed to make sense. And no, if you are going to ask, I don't know my numbers off-hand. I have gotten tired of numbers over the years. shakehead I am trying to psyche myself up to dig them out and pay attention to them again. cool Thank you for your interest. :)

Hara
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   Posted 3/15/2009 11:19 PM (GMT -7)   

Pogonia, you should really get tested for Diabetes. There is a 2-3 hour test that is done at the lab. That will really tell you if you have diabetes or not.

Hara


LanieG
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   Posted 3/16/2009 5:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Pogonia, as Hara says, you need to go back to the doctor and be tested.  He would probably order the glucose tolerance test which would indicated how you metabolize carbohydrates, something diabetics cannot do well.  You need to know what your lab tests are, so you can understand what you need to do.

Lanie
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donnaeil
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   Posted 3/21/2009 11:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Pre diabetes is a medical condition recognized by doctors. Within 10 years almost 100% are full blown diabetics. Lifestyle changes have to be made immediately.

Donnaeil

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   Posted 4/2/2009 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Pogonia,
You don't need to "sign up" for a thread, just post when you are interested in the information presented. And if I may interject, I believe that your doctor should "rethink" his use of words. "Borderline" does not exist in the medical field any longer. "You either IS or you AIN'T!" In your case you are being medicated for hypothyroidism so therefore you ARE hypothyroid. And as donnaeil has stated, pre diabetes is simply an indicator that you will go full blown in a few years. You will need to change your food plan for sure when you go full blown, so why not head them off at the pass and start now?

Having a body that is impaired in its ability to metabolize carbohydrates in large portions means, logically, that you should not give that body large portions of carbohydrates at one time. Yes, medications can force your body to mimic the body of a normal, but over time this simply is not the answer. It is easier and healthier to simply reduce the amount of grain based foods in the food plan. This allows the body to work on the carbohydrates that are presented in the form of vegetables and fruits. For most of us who are diabetic, this reduction in carb calories allows the body to use up some of the stored fat we have.

And while we are on the topic, fat is a bit of a problem for us. In many diabetics the appearance of grain in the diet signals the body that it is harvest time, before the long hunger of winter so the body converts the carbs in the grain to fat for famine storage. These fat cells also send out signals to form more fat (because winters are very long, you know!) and we will convert our food to storage in fat cells before we will use it for everyday metabolism. This is one of the explanations for hunger just after dinner. The high blood sugar is floating around in the blood stream but because of insulin resistance it can't gain access to the cells. The cells are screaming "Feed ME!" (even though the glucose is just outside their doors) which the brain interprets as hunger. In the mean time the sugar just gets converted to fat. And the cycle renews itself. If excessive grain is presented the body just goes into storage mode because it must still be harvest time, right?

Exercise and medications like metformin reduce insulin resistance and allow the glucose better access to the cells. This curbs the screaming hunger and helps us feel better. Exercise also stimulates us to use the available glucose so it doesn't get made into fat and actually signals the body to start breaking down fat for metabolism use. Activity (and increased sunlight) lets the body know it's not the dead of winter where we need to huddle by the fire, it's time to get up and get busy. This is why it is so much easier to start a low carb food plan in the spring. Nature signals us that it's time to get moving.

If you think about how early peoples lived, in pre agricultural times, they didn't have access to grains in the spring and summer. They ate meat, fish, and tons of fresh greens, nuts and berries. And when agriculture first began, the amount of work expended to plant, harvest and store grains, along with the care of the animals, more than balanced out the calorie intake of the grains. People worked hard and moved all day long so they couldn't become fat unless they were wealthy. Now we can buy twinkies and french fries about 10 minutes from our home, without walking! Those excess carbs are not what we need but what our bodies crave in case there is a famine next week. We have to over rule our brains hunger signals and do what is best for us. This is why I favor the nothing white except cauliflower food plan. It helps stop fat storage and signals me to get up and get going. turn

Hope this helps.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Pogonia
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   Posted 4/2/2009 12:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Jeannie, thanks so much for your post! The seasonal factor for grains is something new to me. Although I try not to eat many grains, even our sprouted, homemade wheat bread, I do eat some. As in socializing over pizza, oatmeal for breakfast, etc. (Why do well-meaning friends always bring what is bad???) I realize I need to try harder in this area but my husband makes the bread and oatmeal, and is so proud he can cook 'something healthy' for me. :)

Exercise is something I know I need to do but have some 'female problems' which makes it rather awkward and uncomfortable if it causes any straining in my abdominal or pelvic areas. Has anyone had success with Oxycise! or T-Tapp?

Fresh vegetables are difficult for us. I think I am too extreme in wanting organic, but can't seem to force myself to eat something mainstream 'bad for me' pesticide-laden, less-expensive options. So we don't have fresh veggies too often since our budget is so limited.

Some have recommended a glucose tolerance test. I know I need this but haven't forced myself to find a new doctor since changing insurances in January. Also am worried about even being able to pay the co-pays for these right now.

I am, of course, concerned about my health, but cannot worry overmuch about something I can do little about. I just try to keep informed and do what I can. This has been a very encouraging thread and I thank you all for your kind concern. :-) You-all are GREAT!

Jeannie143
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   Posted 4/3/2009 10:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Pog,
My husband works in the produce industry and you should know that most produce in the US is not so pesticide laden as in the 70's or even 80's. Consumer demands for less pesticides, the use of 'friendly' insect predators and the breeding of disease resistant strains by cross breeding pollination has really reduced the amount of sprays used. Also, fast growing veggies & fruits like lettuces, zuchini, (spell?) berries and greens usually receive no treatment. Simple washing helps a lot in getting off dirt and dust.

Most pesticides manufactured today are bug specific, that is, they have a certain bacteria that only affects the one fly or bug that targets that food source. Consequently the product used is only bad for bugs, not people. To us it's just another harmless bacteria. Hope this helps... Glad you have insurance. We have been without for about five years now.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


LanieG
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   Posted 4/3/2009 8:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Pogonia, if you're not eating fresh vegetables, what are you eating besides meat?  Jeannie is absolutely correct about the limited uses of pesticides now.  In my own garden, I use insecticidal soap - an organic, environment friendly spray.  I understand you're not testing your blood sugar but please don't think you can't do anything about your health. You can eat meat/chicken/fish and all the veggies you want except potatoes.  If you stay away from bread and food made with flour, you can have better control of the blood sugar even if you don't test. Previously there was a post about rolls made from whipped up eggs.  It's a good substitute for a roll.  Have you thought of growing patio veggies like tomatoes, cucumbers or zucchini? 

Lanie
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diabetes controlled so far by low/no carb diet and exercise; no meds


Pogonia
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   Posted 4/9/2009 6:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I did get off track on vegetables. and have been trying to do better. Frozen ones, if nothing else. And, yep, I plan on trying a few container veggies now that spring is here! Thanks for the insight into commercial produce, Jeannie. very interesting. I haven't explored much here since we've turned off our DSL so haven't seen the post about rolls made from beaten eggs. Sounds intriguing.

As far as insurance, you have to have something to go along with disability/Medicare. so it doesn't cover much. But yes, it is a comfort to know it's there.

thank you both for your concern,
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