Carbs minus Fibre = OK?

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TVEditor
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   Posted 3/16/2009 7:33 AM (GMT -7)   
While at work, I sometimes grab a bag 'o peanuts from our lunch room vending machine.  Today I hit the wrong number & out popped a coconut chocolate bar!  Well I stuck in another $1.25 & got the peanuts, thinking I would just give the bar to someone else but before I did I read the nutrition info:
 
Carbs  ....... 29g  (YIKES!)
Sugars ......   3g  (milk chocolate)
Fibre ......... 26g  (hmmmm ... coconut)
 
Is the carbs minus fibre formula an accurate measure of OKness?  In this case, that would leave only 3g of carbs.  Obviously the milk chocolate is bad but does the coconut fibre really offset things to the point where this is almost acceptable?
 
In the interests of science (heh heh heh ;), I ate the bar & will test in a couple of hours to see how bad the damage is.
 
Chris
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LanieG
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   Posted 3/16/2009 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Wonderful, wonderful, Chris.  I've been looking for a guinea .... er ... person to see if that carb minus fiber is true.  I believe in theory that would be correct but I'm not sure how it would work for someone who's insulin resistant, so I'm really interested to see how you test out.  All the fiber does is slow down the absorbtion which should keep the blood sugar from spiking.  Can't wait to see your results.  And if you have great results, please tell us the name of the bar! 
:-)
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TVEditor
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   Posted 3/16/2009 11:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, so much for that experiment sad    My pre-lunch reading is normally around 5.2 -- today, after the coconut bar, it was 8.4 shocked
 
Sorry Lanie.  It was too good to be true I guess.  I suppose the fibre did work to slow down absorbtion since if I ate a regular, all-chocolate bar, I would expect a much higher reading than 8.4 but even so, still too high to be safe.
 
Hmmm ... the bar has 2 pieces to it ... I ate both ... I wonder if 1 bar later on in the day might be tolerable?
 
Incidentally ironic; the bar's name is WISH tongue
 
(made by SOLEN in Turkey I believe)
 
WWW.SOLEN.COM.TR <--- won't do you much good unless you speak Turkish
 
 
Chris
~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

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Phishbowl
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   Posted 3/16/2009 11:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Sorry the experiment didn't work out, Chris. Here's the reason why... the nutrition label was a misprint. The fibre content should have read 3, leaving a net carb amount of 26. The "guy" (who made up the label), reversed the amounts by mistake. I thought it didn't sound right so, I had to check it out :-)

Here's the acknowledgement:

http://www.imagid.com/whatsnew_details.php?id=12

Cheers,
Kris
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- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

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LanieG
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   Posted 3/16/2009 12:23 PM (GMT -7)   
ratz
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Gosh, sorry you had to go through the high blood sugar needlessly all because of a misprint.  That's awful.  And you ate the two halves.  Well, I dunno.  Would you go back and do it over but eat only one half and see?  I guess I wouldn't.  I'm trying to mess around with protein whey powder bar recipes to see if I can find a good substitute for a sweet snack.
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TVEditor
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   Posted 3/16/2009 4:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the research Kris. I knew it was too good to be true. According to the press release (July 2008):

"Magid Brands has stopped production on this packaging and will produce only with new packaging showing the correct nutritional values."

I bought that bar TODAY -- 8 months after they promised to stop using the misinformation on the label. Arrrghhh ... I wanna complain to somebody! Is there a Canadian Better Business Bureau or something?

No Lanie, I don't think I'll try that again. That was the first time in 7 months one of my readings was above 6.5.

Like you, I crave a bit 'o sweet once in a while and have been making do with the Lindt 85% cacao (cocoa ??? SP?) bars but variety is the spice (sugar???) of life so I had high hopes for the coconut/chocolate combo.

Oh well, live & learn.

Chris

P.S. I felt awful 3-4 hours after eating that dang thing. Jittery ... edgy .... took a reading after work ... 4.1 (Canadian). I average between 4.4 and 5.2 so that's pretty low for me.

Conclusion: Bad Chocolate = Big Spike + Big Low
~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

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   Posted 3/17/2009 3:57 AM (GMT -7)   
*coughs* it depends on the person. each person is different. thereof, that is a question for your dietician specialist. as for the theory..if you can get me to use the meter (im terrified of needles, what a horrid diabetic combo) i'd give it a shot. my hemo ac1 at doc 2 weeks ago was 5.6
 
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DX: Wegener's Disease, Migraines, Diabetese Type II, PCOS, Lactose Intolerant, Benign Heart Murmer, Depression, Asthma, Asperger's Syndrome, Necrotizing Gramultous Inflamation in eye, A.D.D., Acid Reflux
 
Medications:  Prednisone, Tri Nessa, Percocet, Metformin, Prilosec, Protonix, Zantac, Advair, Cingulair, Albuterol, Calcium + Vitamin D


TVEditor
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   Posted 3/17/2009 6:02 AM (GMT -7)   

I wasn't much of a needle lover before my diagnosis but I was surprised how fast I got used to the test pen once I made my mind up to understand what was happening to me.  Reading through old messages here provided a wealth of techniques and advice on how to minimise the pain/fear/whatever.

Here's hoping I'm still talking brave when/if it becomes necessary for me to take injections ;-)

 

Chris


~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

It's a small world -- but I wouldn't want to paint it
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   Posted 3/17/2009 7:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Chris,
If it's any consolation, you CAN have some real chocolate and the higher the cocoa butter the better. My doctor "prescribed" one square of excellent chocolate for me a day. (It's a woman thing!) She told me that although chocolate is high in sugar, it's also very high in fat and the fats delay the absorption of the sugars.... So much so that chocolate is not recommended for low blood sugar episodes. Upon her recommendation I NEVER test after my chocolate, I just enjoy.
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   Posted 3/17/2009 11:05 AM (GMT -7)   
Smurfy

I had a great fear of needles to the point of passing out if I saw one. After being diagnosed with diabetes, I found ifI tested myself and gave the insulin shot myself that it was so easy and painless.. I always test myself in doctors office or hospital because I still fear needles in someone elses hands! Go figure, but that is the way it is for me. You seem to do very good without testing but I feel safer testing. So, don't worry if you ever need shots as it will not be as hard as you think:)

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   Posted 3/18/2009 1:08 PM (GMT -7)   
"My doctor "prescribed" one square of excellent chocolate for me a day."
 
Y  a  y  y  y ....  ONE square ....     life just keeps on getting better & better doesn't it?
 
Well, yes ... actually it does scool
 
I took the cue from you, searched and found the high cocoa Lindt bars.  My favourite trick is to break a low-carb, no sugar added oatmeal cookie into pieces and eat them one at a time with a like-fragmented Lindt square.
 
What if I threw these in the microwave? ... Mini S'mores?!?
 
Seriously; I haven't had one of my dear 'ole Mom's chocolate Chip cookies in over 8 months now and I really don't miss'em as much as I thought but its nice to have a bit 'o sweet once in a while.
~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

It's a small world -- but I wouldn't want to paint it
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LanieG
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   Posted 3/18/2009 7:23 PM (GMT -7)   
I get the Lindt 85% from the supermarket and for a snack, I take 2 squares and spread natural crunchy peanut butter on them.  It's like a candy bar for me. 

Lanie
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SmurfyShadow
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   Posted 3/21/2009 10:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Actually Cee, I very rarely test my sugar. But when I feel like I need to I do lol.

 
Smurfy Shadow
 
DX: Wegener's Disease, Migraines, Diabetese Type II, PCOS, Lactose Intolerant, Benign Heart Murmer, Depression, Asthma, Asperger's Syndrome, Necrotizing Gramultous Inflamation in eye, A.D.D., Acid Reflux
 
Medications:  Prednisone, Tri Nessa, Percocet, Metformin, Prilosec, Protonix, Zantac, Advair, Cingulair, Albuterol, Calcium + Vitamin D


TVEditor
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   Posted 3/26/2009 6:45 AM (GMT -7)   

Just an update; I made contact with a government agency regarding the improper label information and they are going investigate.

Chris


~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

It's a small world -- but I wouldn't want to paint it
Steven Wright


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   Posted 3/26/2009 10:14 AM (GMT -7)   
(Jeannie is in awe of Chris's power to move the government!)
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LanieG
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   Posted 3/26/2009 11:29 AM (GMT -7)   
(Chris for director of the FDA! yeah )

Lanie
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TVEditor
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   Posted 3/26/2009 1:09 PM (GMT -7)   

(Chris is wondering why the Government Guy seemed to have a Turkish accent?!?  tongue )


~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July/'08
~ Dropped 35 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head
~ My doctor thinks HE is responsible (Don't tell him! He's happy ;)

It's a small world -- but I wouldn't want to paint it
Steven Wright

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