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loverain
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   Posted 8/2/2009 8:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi y'all...do you guys think it's a good idea to take a multi vitamin?  I'm a sixty three year old woman and I've been taking Centrum Silver.  I'm really worried that now that I'm not eating "white foods" and cutting out so many carbs I might not be getting the vitamins and minerals my body needs.  I'm eating a lot of vegetables and some fruits...nuts and beef, chicken and pork.  I should eat fish but I just really don't care for it other than canned tuna and canned salmon.  I also want to ask...will my glucose levels continue to lower and hopefully go to normal range over time as I continue to eat right?  I guess I'm asking if it takes time for my glucose levels to get closer to normal range?  I am seeing lower levels since I've started eating less carbs and I've lost seven pounds!  Thanks to all of you.   

LanieG
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   Posted 8/2/2009 9:21 AM (GMT -7)   
If you're eating a variety of colorful and leafy vegetables, a variety of protein and some cheeses and nuts, you should be getting the nutrients you need, but certainly a multi-vitamin would not hurt.  And make sure you do get outside during the day for vitamin D!  You are not missing vitamins or minerals by cutting out bread, rice, etc.  Don't forget that most flour products are fortified anyway, as the producers have to add nutrients back in since they're taken out during processing.  Canned tuna and salmon are perfectly fine.  I just wish they didn't add so much salt to them but I suppose they do that for preservation?  I don't know what your glucose levels were before, but if you do continue eating this way, your blood sugar will work itself down to normal or near normal - it's hard to say since we're all different.  It also depends on your level of activity.  The more active you are, the better blood sugar control you'll have, too.  You're doing well and it's good to know we have some measure of control over our health, isn't it?  yeah

Lanie
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loverain
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   Posted 8/2/2009 1:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Lanie,
Thank you so much for your reply. What you say about the bread and rice makes sense...I hadn't thought of it that way. I do go outdoors during daytime so I get plenty of sunshine. I need to step up my level of activity, though, and I will work harder on that. Just going outdoors and visiting across the fence isn't exercise! My FBG is usually 104-110. After meals differs according to what and how much I eat, but they are usually within 120 two hours after meals. I did a stupid thing today and went to Taco Bell where I had a soft taco...the kind with a flour tortilla...I cut off half of the tortilla and still came up with a two hour after reading of 139! Lesson learned...I won't do that again. My FBG used to be 115-125 and my PP would be 159-169 before I started cutting carbs and lost seven pounds. I am going to continue to work with this as I want to stay med free and prayerfully not develope full blown diabetes.

LanieG
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   Posted 8/2/2009 1:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi there.  I'm in the same boat.  I think just smelling bread makes my blood sugar jump.  I was going to write that if you'd just eaten the filling of the taco, it might not have been as bad but you never know what's in the filling!  If they used flour to thicken the sauce, then .......   There are ways around eating out.  Order a sandwich without the bread or just put the bread/bun aside.  I went to Panera bread last week.  Nothing hit me but the chicken salad sandwich, so I asked if I could order it without the bread, you know, just leave the bread out and put the rest on the plate?  You'd think I had asked the sweet thing at the counter to take her false nails off!  She was confused and had to ask someone.  Otherwise, I've only had good experiences in restaurants for substituting another vegetable for the potatoes, etc.  More and more people are doing it.  And when you measure your blood sugar afterwards, it really makes it worth it.  wink
Lanie
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TVEditor
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   Posted 8/3/2009 5:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Lanie's right!  My route to work includes passing by a bakery once in a while, on bread-baking day!  Bakeries should be OUTLAWED! 
 
(Sorry Jeannie ;-)
 
Loverain; you have the virtually same dietary regimen as myself except for the vitamin type; I chose 'Select 50' just because I thought that 'Silver' seemed too judgemental.  I mean, my hair used to be blonde -- now its white (not silver) ;-) 
 
Seriously, I've always had trouble accepting that anything good could be had in pill form (I hate pills) but ever since I told my 82 year old mother that my doc suggested I take a low-dose aspirin a day and she replied with a smile, "I take 2", I've come to be more open-minded :-)   (Moms are smart).  I don't notice any obvious plusses or minuses but I keep taking the vitamins.
 
I forget the setup for the old Henny Youngman joke but the punchline was 'Couldn't hurt.' :-)
 
Yes, stick with the plan you have started.  You've already seen the results -- isn't it amazing what a few, relatively simple changes in diet can do?
 
... and yes, it does take a while (a few weeks, months) to see major changes but it is definitely worth it!
 
P.S. "Just going outdoors and visiting across the fence isn't exercise!" Actually, it is!  -- as long as you don't take a cab to the fence ;-)


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TVEditor
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   Posted 8/3/2009 5:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Lanie:  Health Control is an interesting thing.  My wife treated me to supper for my birthday a few weeks ago at an old haunt -- basic steak & potatoes place.  I asked for extra vegatables in place of the usual baked potato or fries.  Slightly embarrassing to me me at first (I don't like unwarranted attention) but later on, amusing.   Everyone, from the waitress on up, was thrown for a loop and the attention was taken off me -- they all had to figure out what to do for a customer that didn't fit the expected profile.  I didn't even mention 'diabetes'.  In the end, I was presented with more beans and salad than I could eat in a lifetime!
 
Loverain:  Sometimes, you can turn an awkward event into fun turn
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~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head

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LanieG
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   Posted 8/3/2009 9:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Chris, you know I think we all "profile" but not consciously.  It'd be ok for a female to say 'no potatoes please, just a green vegetable' but we wouldn't expect a man to do that?  Well, I don't know.  But I can  honestly say I've never had a problem substituting something else for the potatoes.  Even pasta.  I remember that Henny Youngman joke:  During a eulogy at a funeral, an old woman spoke up and said, "Give him some chicken soup."  The speaker ignored her.  She said it again, "Give him some chicken soup."  Finally the speaker said, "Madam, our dear friend has died.  Chicken soup will not help him."  And then the old woman said, "It won't hurt!"   (drum roll)  wink
Lanie
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loverain
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   Posted 8/4/2009 4:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Lanie and Chris, I love the Henny Youngman joke! Concerning eating out...our son just gave us an IHOP gift card and I wondered what I was going to eat there now. My IHOP faves are their breakfasts and the juicy hamburgers and fries. I hadn't thought of asking for veggies instead of? How about I eat just the meat and veggies on the burger and ask for broccoli in place of the fries? I guess I will just have to ask them not to serve up the hashbrowns with the breakfast...sob, sob. But, actually, I would rather cry a bit for the lack of hashbrowns than cry for lack of toes! I am determined to work with this and I am ever so grateful to have y'all here to help along the way. I am taking the multi...for some reason it gives me a measure of comfort to take the darn thing...Can't hurt! Right?

TVEditor
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   Posted 8/4/2009 12:27 PM (GMT -7)   

You'd be surprised (I know I was) at how soon you stop missing The White Stuff (a great movie by the way smilewinkgrin .  Its been said that eating carbs makes you crave more carbs -- I think there's something to this because not long after I changed my eating habits, I noticed that I wasn't as hungry as I used to be.  Adding snacks (nuts, cheese, veggies, etc.) between meals also helps stave off the hunger pangs.

Re: IHOP 

A lot of low-carbers (Atkins followers too, I believe?) replace the missing potatoes, pasta, grains, etc. with fat for a number of reasons; one of them being that it is very filling.  Bacon or sausage & eggs is still OK but because the meats are loaded with salt & presevatives, use common sense and moderation.  In other words, don't go hog-wild!    ......................... sorry turn

As I understand it, fat slows the emptying of the stomach and therefore,  the absorbtion of carbohydrates and spikes in your BG.  Apparently, once you cut the intake of carbs, the fat you eat is not stored because your body already has enough in reserve to produce glucose when you need it.  I was concerned about cholesterol but my last blood test produced the lowest number I have had in 30 years.   Eat more fat, get healthy, lose weight.  Its ironic isn't it?  

Its OK to cheat once in a while ... I do (see my signature).  When I see a plate of fresh-cut fries, I swear my BG jumps 8 points!  To reduce stress, because stress can elevate BG levels (that's my story & I'm stickin' to it!), maybe once a month, I'll have a 1/4 or 1/2 a plate of the little devils.  Again surprising, I no longer feel the need to finish off the whole plate.

"I would rather cry a bit for the lack of hashbrowns than cry for lack of toes!"

Good attitude smilewinkgrin


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Post Edited (TVEditor) : 8/4/2009 1:30:50 PM (GMT-6)


Phishbowl
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   Posted 8/4/2009 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
There can be some good reasons to supplement diet with a multi-vitamin. Most of us don't eat a diet that doesn't allow for some room for improvement in this area :-)

For example: Most of us in the northern hemisphere are vitamin D deprived. Iron and vitamin B are a good supplements if one isn't a fan of either red meat or red beans; especially if you're an ovulating female. If (usually oily) fish like salmon or whole eggs are not part of the weekly diet, omega 3 & 6 may need to be supplemented. Some of the minerals we get from our starchy tubers and roots like potatoes, sweet potatoes/yams. carrots, etc., may need supplementing. There's calcium and magnesium and other minerals that are often low and need some upping. One thing to be conscience/ aware of are the heavy metals like chromium. There can be some things in a multi-vit that you don't want, too. (Not saying you shouldn't take them, just be mindful of their impact on you personally).

Don't worry about missing anything important by cutting out the processed carbs. As Lanie says, they're all removed in the processing and have to be added back into the final product. You may want to ask your doc for a nutrition panel lab test. Not sure what it's called really but, the blood test basically measures things like B12, Ferritin, Folate, Chloride, Potassium, Sodium and such.

Chris - you're on to something there with the fat thing. The more you read about it the more you realize how important it is and not this "horrible" thing it's been made out to be. The whole cholesterol and (low)fat topics get my blood boiling so I'll stop before I start :-)

I loooooove fries! Although I eat them regularly, I limit them to about 10-15 (skinny ones like McD's - not those "wedge potato" fries). I don't eat pasta, rice, or corn and very little bread but the fries... they are my weakness. That or the vinegar I put on 'em :-)
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows"-Epictetus


TVEditor
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   Posted 8/5/2009 5:19 AM (GMT -7)   

Yeah, I'm a sour-puss too scool  

I've been known to sip apple cider vinegar straight from the bottle shocked    I have a sneaking suspicion that if sweet is bad for us, maybe sour is good ?  I think it was Jeannie who told of a study wherein a spoonful of cider vinegar in a glass of water taken before a meal was shown to calm down spikes.  Whatever ... I think it tastes good!

Plain ole olive oil & vinegar or lemon juice makes a great salad dressing too.

You've piqued my interest in vitamins Phish -- do you have any favourite vitamin/nutrition web sites worth snooping around in?


Chris - Forum Moderator, Diabetes

~ Diagnosed Type 2 in July 2008 ~ Dropped 40 or so pounds after following HealingWell advice ~
~ Diabetes under control / no meds - so far - knock on head

I used to eat 100% wrong -- now I eat 95% right


Phishbowl
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   Posted 8/5/2009 7:28 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm so bad with the vinegar thing I've been known to just lick the coating off salt & vinegar chips and chuck the chip. (Mmmmm... dill pickle chips can be good for that, too). Can you say acid burn on the tongue? :-)

There was a "diet" at one time called the "cider vinegar diet". It was believed that the acidity of the vinegar helped one process food better and upped metabolism to burn more fat. A questionable diet at best but like most of them, there can be some positive elements found in it.

To be honest - sometimes I take a multi-vit but, have only in the winter months (Dec-Feb). As of January, I take 1000mg of vitamin D every day and that's it. A lab showed I was deficient and I was told to take 500mg/day. After reading about vitamin D (and finding out that it's one of, if not "the", most important one of the bunch), I upped it myself. There are so many more things this vitamin does than just it's teeth/bones (calcium) benefits. My last lab showed I was high in potassium and iron but everything else was bang on. I wouldn't want to take a multi that had either of those in it so, I guess for the moment I prefer to supplement only those element I might need to.

I'm relatively new to the whole vitamin/mineral/supplements thing and have only recently been researching it. Like all things I put in my body, I have to know why I need it (and in what quantities); I don't do things arbitrarily when it comes to that :-) I know, with my thyroid condition (hypothyroid), that soy products are not for me (studies link hormonal interference of soy with thyroid. Not to mention soy's "estrogen" effect). There's a lot of interesting stuff out there but can't always be taken at face value - like everything :-)

It's interesting to note that certain vitamins, like vitamin A,D or E, are 'fat soluble'. Meaning they only get absorbed into the body by riding the coat tails of fat molecules or shall I say, when eaten along with some fat. (No fat means the vitamin just passes right through you). Vitamin C is also prone to oxidization. Meaning to say... cutting an orange into wedges as opposed to say eating it in segments (where the orange's natural membrane "contains" all the valuable vitamins), causes it to lose over 30% of the vitamin within 30 seconds of it being cut. So much for fresh squeezed!

I don't have any particular favourite sites/pages but, I do enjoy the following:

Everything you want to know about nutrition:
http://www.nutritiondata.com/

National Institute of Health - Office of Dietary Supplements:
http://ods.od.nih.gov/Health_information/Vitamin_and_Mineral_Supplement_Fact_Sheets.aspx

I'm always poking around so, I'll let you know if come across anything to share.

Cheers,
Kris

(updated to correct vitamin letter(s))
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

"It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows"-Epictetus

Post Edited (Phishbowl) : 8/5/2009 11:55:55 AM (GMT-6)

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