Should I be concerned about the 127 fasting level??

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Lonie
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   Posted 9/11/2009 9:20 PM (GMT -6)   
My 12 hour fasting glucose ranges anywhere from 115 to 135, the higher levels generally a direct result of poor eating the night before. At what point should you be seriously concerned about your maintenance level as everyone is different? I know where the doctors want us to be but is it possible that some of us just process slowly and really never develop full blown type 2 diabetes?

** This is from my husband; we are still trying to get him logged in as a separate user! ;-)
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Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/12/2009 1:23 AM (GMT -6)   
Anything over 100 to 110 is something to be very concerned about in anyone. I did the low level numbers for years, before they lowered the cutoff point, and I have the eye, kidney and neuropathy damages to show for it.

If you want to get up close and personal about what is going on do your blood draw two hours after the beginning of each meal for a few days. Anything above 150 two hours after a meal is doing permanent damage to your kidneys, blood vessels in your eyes, the nerves in your fingers and feet and the whole network of blood vessels in your body. Diabetes is more than just high sugar numbers. It actually changes the physiology of the cells in your circulatory system. This is one of the reasons that diabetics have higher incidences of stroke and heart attacks.

If hubby went to my doctor he would already be considered full blown diabetic.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
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"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


LanieG
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   Posted 9/12/2009 9:52 AM (GMT -6)   

Read everything Jeannie says.  For many many years the ADA had parameters that accepted fasting between 100 and 125 as "prediabetic", and unfortunately the millions of people who fell into that range didn't take this as significant.  For several years I was in that range until finally my doctor prescribed a blood sugar monitor.  It was only then I could see what my blood sugar was any time of the day and I realized that I wasn't "pre" diabetic but I prefer to call 'mild diabetic'.  That is, by diet and exercise I can keep my blood sugar to normal levels - and I don't mean what the ADA wants a diabetic to have but what a person who is not diabetic has. Diabetes develops differently and at different rates in people, so it's hard to say what to expect now or in a few years with your husband.  If a fasting comes in at 127 after 12 hours of fasting, what was his blood sugar two hours after he ate?  Imagine how how it was then.  As Jeannie says, testing 2 hours after the beginning of a meal (called 'post prandial') is important because it tells you how quickly the body metabolizes carbohydrates - and it's the carbohydrates that cause high blood sugar.  Having a fasting of 127 after 12 hours means he still have glucose running around his system and elevated levels for prolonged time is dangerous for all the organs as Jeanne says.  Carol, please get your husband to come on and ask his questions.  We don't bite the newbies, really! 

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Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/13/2009 6:56 PM (GMT -6)   
Ok, who made the rule that we can't bite the newbies? devil They are really delicious if you cook them long enough.

ceebee
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   Posted 9/14/2009 11:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Hmmm.....nice and sweet from all the sugar in the blood:)

TVEditor
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   Posted 9/15/2009 7:28 AM (GMT -6)   

Carol, they're just kidding :-)

(you guys ARE just kidding right?) smilewinkgrin


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Phishbowl
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   Posted 9/15/2009 8:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Diabetes is a PROGRESSIVE disease.

adj.: continuously increasing in extent or severity, as a disease.

In other words... EXPECT the situation to get worse. Fact.

Once your body starts showing signs of having difficulty metabolizing carbs (i.e. high fasting & post prandial BGLs), you're on your way. I don't believe diabetes can be reversed but the progression of it can be significantly slowed, especially if caught early and some diet/lifestyle changes are made.

The rate of progression differs among us due to our personal health situations and when our diabetes was caught. Some of us make some minor changes in diet/lifestyle and see fantastic results. Some of us work our butts off to still see minimal results or even continued deterioration but, we know our efforts still improve our situation, despite having to be on meds or suffer some nasty side effects. Point is, there are things that can be done to postpone or minimize the progressive effects of diabetes. The choice to make the effort however, is 100% ours.
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

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Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/15/2009 9:19 AM (GMT -6)   
redface I would like to nominate Phish for the Diabetes Educator of the Decade Award. Complete information packaged in a palatable way. Thanks!
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
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"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


LanieG
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   Posted 9/15/2009 4:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Palatable ..... phish...... cooking newbies ..... Jeannie, you're thinking too much about food!  What's next? 



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couchtater
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   Posted 9/15/2009 7:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Ouch! Someone's been chewing on me!
Don't eat too much. My blood's too sweet right now. :)

Joy

Phishbowl
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   Posted 9/16/2009 9:40 AM (GMT -6)   
LOL, really, Jeannie?! And here I am thinking I keep scaring them away :-)

"Come back, Carol. Come back (or Hubby :-) ", she pleads. We no eats-ez da newbeez-ez, no; too many bones-ez. No eats-ez, promises :-)
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

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ceebee
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   Posted 9/16/2009 8:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hope the vampires don't see this site...they will be looking us up for dessert! LOL

loverain
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   Posted 9/16/2009 9:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I've had a few laughs wih this thread but do you guys think that the person who posted the question to begin with is really concerned and would like some answers? I would like to see some serious replies as I have the problem of high fasting numbers...108-119 even though my PP levels are almost always 120-125 two hours after a meal. I've heard about DP and wonder if that's what's happening to me. I would also like to know what normal levels are during the day...not after a meal or a fasting level...just during the day. I guess that would be a random level? Thanks, Joni

ceebee
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   Posted 9/17/2009 1:41 AM (GMT -6)   
Type 1 or type 2? What meds and when do you take them? What do you eat before you go to bed? Sorry, sometimes you just have to laugh at this disease or it can become a real bummer:)

loverain
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   Posted 9/17/2009 5:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I am not on any meds...was just told that my blood sugar is a bit high and should watch my diet and monitor my levels. I have not been diagnosed type 1 or type 2. This morning after a nine hour fast my FBG was 115. My two hours after a meal readings are usually in the 120-125 range with an occasional 130ish. I am rarely lower than 100 ever...I mean if I take my reading at any given time during the day...guess that's a random reading? I am eating low carb and three meals a day and a couple snacks a day of low carb yogurt or a small pkg of peanuts. I have begun to exercise daily and I have lost nine pounds since I started low carbing about three months ago. I am kind of stuck on my weight loss at this time. Joni

TVEditor
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   Posted 9/17/2009 6:58 AM (GMT -6)   

Are you keeping records of your meals/exercise/readings?  I found that doing so showed me problem times, foods to avoid and improvements.

Depending upon how much weight you want to lose, the loss pattern can be weird.  In my case, I lost 10 pounds in the first month, nothing for a few weeks, then another 30 in what seemed like days.  I've been at a 40 pound loss for the last 3 months but 2 weeks ago, for no apparent reason (no change in diet/activity), I dropped another 3 pounds.  Takes the body a while to get used to change I guess.

How low-carb is your low-carb diet?  Do you follow the Nothing White plan we recommend around here?


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Phishbowl
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   Posted 9/17/2009 8:43 AM (GMT -6)   
A website I think has some good (and current) explanations about how Diabetes works, as follows:

1) Some information/explanation of Type 2 diabetes rate of progression and development patterns:
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046669.php

2) "What are normal blood sugar levels" information:
http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

(Mods: hope it's OK to post - it's an info site; it's not selling goods)

Cheers,
Kris
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
"What's Not Measured Is Not Managed"

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loverain
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   Posted 9/17/2009 8:59 AM (GMT -6)   
I am keeping a food diary...I record everything I eat and the time I eat it. I also keep a record of my BG readings. As for exercise...I use a recumbent trailblazer for 30 minutes a day at around 11AM. I do not eat anything sweet...period. I do eat low carb yogurt ( Kroger's Carb Master) which has four carbs. I eat lots of veggies...no corn, peas or carrots. I eat a very small half of a potato once a week with sour cream and butter or margarine. I will eat a low carb tortilla twice a week...it has five carbs. I eat one slice of whole wheat bread once a day. My main foods are beef, chicken, pork, canned tuna and salmon...broccoli, cauliflower and salads with blule cheese dressisng, eggs and cheddar and american cheese slices, and peanut butter. I don't eat many fruits...I have a half of a small apple with peanut butter maybe twice a week. I used to eat a banana a day but noticed that sent my sugar through the roof so I quit that long ago. I am beginning to think I need to cut my food portions...but is it possible to eat too many veggies? Do you think veggies could have me stalled in my weight loss and could be causing my sugar to be too high? I sometimes think that I don't know what I'm doing! I'm really trying to lower my fasting levels. I've tried a bedtime snack of cheese or almonds but haven't really noticed a difference in my levels. I do have a lot of anxiety and wonder if that's the culprit. I don't take meds of any kind for anything other than an occasional tylonal or a shot of pepto bismol. Sorry...I've written a novel. All suggestions are so very welcome. I want to work with this without meds if possible. Joni

TVEditor
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   Posted 9/17/2009 5:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, you certainly sound like you're on the right track with your food plan and diary. Smaller portions is a good idea even with veggies since just about everything has a few carbs in it. Try smaller meals but add more snacks (nuts, cheese, etc.) in between your main meals.

I would say stick with your plan for another month and keep monitoring.
Chris - Forum Moderator, Diabetes

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Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/19/2009 10:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Or, even with the great job you are doing you may just be progressing to a full blown type 2. Keeping your records going will really help the doc figure this out after a few months. In the mean time, don't stint on the important stuff and be sure to get on a multivitamin if you aren't already. If you're over 50 you should be on a "silver" version because they are lower in iron and excess iron has been targeted as a contributing factor in heart attacks.

And YUP! The stress can raise numbers, too. It's possible you may need a small adjustment in your regimen to get perfect numbers, like a wee bit of metformin but that's something your doc can figure out after a few months of readings and diary. Just KOKO! (Keep on keepin' on!)
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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