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petunia22
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   Posted 2/10/2010 2:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I am still fairly new to all of this.( prediabetic) .Lately I have had higher morning fasting numbers than previously ( not too bad... 107, 111 for example )...   Must the morning  test be at least 8 hours after the last snack?   Could this be the problem? I've only waited 7 1/2 hours a few times.

I have been testing various carb foods and discovered which ones seem okay to eat and which ones raise my blood sugar too much.  However, now I see that it's not consistent. Sometimes I have eaten a snack the night before that was "okay" , and yet I have a high reading the next morning. For example this has happend with oatmeal, and with kavli crispy thins with peanut butter ( yum yum)...  and some others. Now I'm not sure what's okay and what's not. This happens even when I drink the vinegar with it.
 
On another note, I ate a teensy eensy bitty bit of pizza  ( 1" by 2" )  in honor of the superbowl.  Everything else I ate was low carb.  Yet my blood sugar went up too high..  I am so surprised how such a tiny amount of food could have such an impact! 

LanieG
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   Posted 2/10/2010 3:27 PM (GMT -7)   
There's not much difference in the 7 1/2 hours to the 8 hours.  A nondiabetic would have normal blood sugar just a couple of hours after eating and most nondiabetics would wake up in the 80's.  The fact that your blood sugar bounces around shows that you are probably insulin resistant and that the blood sugar will rise when you eat carbs.  Not all carbs are the same.  Some might be "slow acting" if they have a lot of fiber or are accompanied with fats maybe or protein.  Other carbs, like sugar or food made with flour (especially white flour) will make the blood sugar jump high quickly.  Some people with high morning fasting might be experiencing 'dawn phenomenon' when the body wants to wake up and get moving and so raises the blood sugar to be ready for the day.  Sometimes eating a protein snack before bed will help control that - but not in all people.  There are no absolutes unfortunately and what works for one person might not work for another which is why testing is your best way to figure out how you need to deal with this.  I think you're discovering that even a slice of pizza or a 'few' crackers will still cause a blood sugar rise, so you have to decide if you want to eat them or not.  I pick and choose very carefully and I never eat any of that on a daily basis.  In this way I allow myself to eat a couple of crackers or a slice of cake at a party or other special occasion.  Maybe you're allowing yourself too many carbs.  If you're not on diabetes meds and trying to control your blood sugar with diet and exercise, you would probably get better readings by staying away from food made with sugar and flour.
 
 
 
 
 
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SmurfyShadow
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   Posted 2/10/2010 10:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Just dont do what I did when I was new to this....forget to eat! I managed to recognize me going into diabetic shock on a city bus none the less. I told the driver. Tried to stand and fell. She called 911, I remember the sirens and blank. Next I knew I was being shaken saying keep with us and someone grabbing my hand and yelling shes 46 and someone giving me something then soemone yelling shes 42 now give her another round I managed to make to 60 and heard give her another round. I made it to 92 that time. Oh keep glucose tablets on you for when you get low. I mean like 70 or under. You know last month I had a migraine and went to doctor told nurse I was gonna go to sleep and check my glucose levels, she yelled don't go to sleep whatever you do. I was 33 and managed to see my doctor and 4 nurses run into my room as I was laying back down. One kept hitting me to keep me awake. Eat, but watch what you eat...Lanie is good at that. If you are a female you want 45 to 60 carbs a meal. I eat 45 so I can sneak a snack in hehe. A guy gets 5 to 6 units of carbs a meal, and 15 carbs is one unit.
 
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LanieG
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   Posted 2/11/2010 8:26 AM (GMT -7)   
If you are on diabetes medication, there's always the possibility of going too low.  Someone on meds (especially insulin) has to be very careful about testing for that reason.  I am not on meds and I don't think Petunia is either, so having a low would most likely not be a problem.  Smurfy, those carb counts are very high for someone trying to control blood sugar with diet and exercise alone.  They may work for you but for someone not on meds, they would send the blood sugar soaring. 
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petunia22
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   Posted 2/11/2010 9:13 AM (GMT -7)   
That's true.. I"m not on meds. I have been eating only between ~30 to 70 carbs per day.. Thinking maybe the lower end works better. I had actually not had white flour in ages, until my superbowl splurge of two one inch squares of pizza. I guess I also have to give up my teeny weeny one bite of 85% chocolate.

LanieG
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   Posted 2/11/2010 12:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Yup, the pizza crust would do it.  I think the chocolate is ok if you eat only a couple squares.  I have the Lindt 85% chocolate and it's pretty good as a treat now and then.  Sometimes, I'll put some natural peanut butter on the squares and make my own Reese's!  tongue
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petunia22
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   Posted 2/11/2010 7:45 PM (GMT -7)   
My teensy chocolate square is ~ 1/2 " x 3/4 " x 3/8 "...... There are 30 squares in a 3.5 ounce candy bar.( Green & Black's)... So my one square is .1167 of an ounce... Is my math right? Oops... I just ate one while studying the dimensions.
You're right I should test whole wheat. My favorite bread, which is 100% whole grain rye failed my test. Or I failed it.. I just assumed whole wheat would be bad for me too, but I should try it and see. Isn't it strange that acorn squash doesn't seem to soar my blood sugar but butternut squash does!

petunia22
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   Posted 2/12/2010 5:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Maybe I have the "dawn phenomenon".. Last night I was 91 two hours after a glass of wine and vegetable snack. Before bed I ate a chicken salad ( with no sugar mayo and about 5 walnut halves) and the one square of chocolate. This morning my fasting number is 105. Does this sound like dawn phenomenon? I'm not sure what to do next.

LanieG
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   Posted 2/12/2010 6:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know.  I don't eat snacks like that before bed and my fasting is normally in the 80's or 90's, depending on which meter I use.  When do you eat dinner?  In my opinion your bedtime snack is a little large.  Maybe that has something to do with your morning numbers.   It wouldn't be an issue for a non-diabetic but for someone who is diabetic or insulin resistant, a snack like that might cause the elevated fasting.  In our house we've eaten dinner by 7:00.  I have a glass of wine most of the time with dinner.  Around 8:30, I'll have some unsalted almonds and maybe some spoons of artificially sweetened yogurt.  (I keep the opened yogurt container in the refrigerator for about 3 days and I just eat a few spoons at a time.)  And that's it for me for the rest of the night, except water maybe.  Maybe if you change your routine in the evening, you could change your fasting? 
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LanieG
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   Posted 2/12/2010 6:19 AM (GMT -7)   
We have always had wine with dinner.  My grandparents made their own wine and this was something I grew up with.  I drink white wine.  I used to make lemoncello and fruit liqueurs but I don't drink them anymore because of the sugar content.   Even so we'd only drink liqueurs after special dinners.  In any case, the wine is not the fortified type like sherry or port.  I don't eat candy, not even the sugarless kind.  As a once in a while treat, I'll have some of the 85% chocolate but I've had the same package open since last summer and I only eat 1 or 2 squares at a time. 
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TVEditor
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   Posted 2/12/2010 7:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I haven't noticed any compulsive drinkers around here Big E. I too enjoy a good wine with meals. Nothing I have read has shown that a dry wine is harmful, if you are not taking medications and if taken in moderation. There are times when one must weigh the benefits of a substance against its negative factors.

Also, I wouldn't recommend a whole wheat pizza as a substitute for the regular pizza petunia. All grains are carbohydrates and generally cause BS spikes. Eat the stuff on top of the pizza and leave the crust.
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petunia22
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   Posted 2/12/2010 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Lanie and Big E for your insights.. Yes it was the 85% chocolate.
I had read the book __Protein Power__ by the Eades'. They mentioned some studies that wine (preferably dry, red... one glass) improves insulin sensitivity.. This ( combined with the heart benefits of red wine) is the reason I was giving it a try a few times a week. However, last night I was at a social gathering and had white wine..~ 5 ounces.
As for the dark chocolate, besides that I love it so much but only was eating the tiny amount a few times a week, it supposedly has health benefits: I just found this blurp online: Keith-Thomas Ayoob, an associate professor at Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York City who studies nutrition, said chocolate does have its benefits. "Several studies indicate that even a little chocolate can help reduce blood pressure and increase blood flow through the arteries. Both are good for heart health," he said. "It's nice to know that chocolate isn't bad for you, assuming you eat modest amounts and don't become overweight by overeating it."
So that had been my reasoning. I can see now it clearly was not working for me....So now I will try no wine and no chocolate and smaller evening snack to see if the morning numbers improve. I weigh 119 at 5.5" so have to work to keep my weight up so will see if I can do this with smaller snacks.
Thanks again for taking the time and effort to help me with this.. Oh, I forgot to mention, I also had 2 TB of vinegar with the snack last night. I"ve been adding in vinegar a few times a day. Last night I upped it from 1 TB to 2.

LanieG
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   Posted 2/12/2010 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Dark chocolate, red wine.  Valentine's Day.  wink
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LanieG
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   Posted 2/12/2010 3:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't take diabetes medication and I don't have to worry about going low if I have some wine.  Diabetics on diabetes medication do have to worry about going low, which is why they are clearly warned about alcohol consumption.  This is an individual choice and I see no reason to make snarky remarks about this.  Please read the Forum Rules.
 
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TVEditor
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   Posted 2/13/2010 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Big E:  People (including me) come here for varied opinions, information and perhaps most importantly, support.
 
We are only expert in our individual life successes and failures and choose to share them here with others, in the hope that we mutually benefit from this exchange.  Forcing one's views on another person never has beneficial results.
 
Please try to show respect and common courtesy to others' points of view.
 
My apologies petunia 22, for causing a distraction from your original question.
 


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