Trying something different for my type 2 diabetes

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tangerine bear
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   Posted 8/3/2010 7:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone... thought I would check in with you all for opinions and support :)
 
I have been on Actosplus Met for a LONG time (at least a couple of years) since my doc changed me off the Avandamet. To make a VERY long story short, I gained a LOT of weight on the Actos (about 50 pounds), and when the Avandia controversy started back up last month, I started reading up on Actos online, because I knew it was similar. So, I stopped taking it. I stopped 12 days ago and I also stopped eating any bread, potatoes, rice, pasta, etc. I am eating only chicken, fish, some meat, veggies, salad. I am walking a half hour every day.
 
This started out really well.. my readings were really low, and it gave me a false sense of security. I guess the meds were still in my system. My morning readings have been the highest, usually 130s to 140s. Yesterday I got freaked out because my morning reading was 171. The rest of the readings yesterday were back down to 120s, and this morning's reading was 148 (I was relieved that it didn't go higher than yesterday). My averages are 126 for last 14 days, and 136 for last 7 days.
 
Is this too high?? I don't want to start the meds again.
 
P.S. I've lost 3 pounds :)
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LanieG
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   Posted 8/3/2010 8:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Bear, long time no hear!  Sorry about the ups and downs with the meds.  In any case, meds or not, the more consistant your diet (eating plan) is, the better your blood sugar will be.  Also, the more sustained exercise you have (like walking, swimming, running), the more stable and controlled the blood sugar will be, too.  If you were eating bread, potatoes, rice and pasta, you were feeding the meds.  That is, the carbs kept your blood sugar so high that your meds were trying to keep up with the food to control the blood sugar.  Meds work in different ways in the body but they are all supposed to help control the blood sugar and keep it at more normal levels.  If you were still eating all those carbs (and they're pretty fast-acting carbs at that), then your blood sugar would have been very high.  Bear, you should already know this for all the time you posted here before!  Once you stop those carbs, you would have seen much lower blood sugar and when that happens on meds, your doctor would probably lower the dosage or eliminate one of them.  It's hard to say if you can actually control your diabetes with just diet and exericse though.  This depends on how much insulin you still produce and how well the body is metabolizing the carbs with the insulin's help.  If you can bring your averages down, it would be excellent.  148 fasting (or over 126) is what a doctor would diagnose as diabetes but normally the diagnosis would include a few fastings and probably the GTT.  In any case, the bottom line is your eating plan.  If you want to try to stay off meds, you have to have lower readings and you'll get them by 1) cutting out those carbs and eating more vegetables and salad food in addition to the protein, 2) continuing the regular walking routine, and 3) continuing to lose weight.  If you can do the first two, then you should lose more weight.  In a way, it's a pretty simple idea but it may be harder to accomplish if you don't follow the plan.  And that's my point; this can't be a once in awhile trial or whenever you remember to do this; this should be your new and forever eating plan with rare aberrations (a birthday, holiday).  Finally, if this doesn't work, I would suggest seeing an endocrinologist to be re-evaluated.  (Does your doctor know you stopped the meds?)  Read the info in Diabetes 101.  It may be helpful.  www.phlaunt.com/diabetes
 
 
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tangerine bear
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   Posted 8/3/2010 9:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Lanie! Long time no hear (((hug))). I really want to try this without meds, but if I have to go back on something, I only want to take the Metformin, no more Actos. It's just like Avandia in the way it works, only with a better PR behind it. I was on Avandia the first couple of years, and I didn't gain any weight on it, but the Actos made me gain, gain, gain. My job is telephone work, so I sit, sit, sit...I've known for ages what I needed to do, but just didn't. My BS and A1C on the meds were good, but I had lots of low's, which made the averages look good. I'm not having 70's and 80's now (I got as low as 50's one time... not fun). I called in a refill for metformin just in case my bs starts to creep up, but haven't taken it yet. I didn't mention that I'm also in the middle of a root canal procedure on a molar, and have been in major pain (which is when the levels went up). I don't know if that's a factor. I understand this can't be a trial, but the weight loss for me is imperative... I felt like I could hardly breathe. I'm feeling so much better since I quit.... except for the tooth thing :)
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LanieG
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   Posted 8/3/2010 10:56 AM (GMT -7)   
(((hugs back at ya!)))  Pain and stress can make your blood sugar rise, so considering the dental work, some of the blood sugar problems might be because of that.  I hope that's over soon.  Ugh.  Despite that, try to cut out those fast-acting carbs and eat more of the colorful veggies along with the protein.  What I've been doing lately is eating raw broccoli, bell peppers and cauliflower on the side like a salad with no dressing along with a meal of meat/chicken/fish and cooked veggies like zucchini, onion or mushrooms in combos.  The sides of the raw veggies make me a regular person.  :-)    If you get hungry in between meals, snack on: nuts, cheese cubes, unsweetened or artificially sweetened yogurt, some raw veggies I mentioned.  Pack your own lunch and put the snack food in the small plastic baggies.  You can do this.  I know you can. 
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Jeannie143
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   Posted 8/4/2010 12:44 PM (GMT -7)   
hi bear!
Go ahead and start your metformin... It works in the same way as exercise to lower blood sugar (helps you utilize your own insulin in a better way) and it also will cause loose stools if you do eat carbs. It's a two for one punch and has helped me a lot. Better to get those readings down and not wait around to lose the weight. (Jeannie is saying this looking thru the glasses she had to get after several years of 125 to 140 readings.)
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tangerine bear
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   Posted 8/4/2010 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jeannie!

I think I will start it tonight. I have to do something, my readings are going up. :) I read it takes about 2 weeks to get the full effect. I'll let you know what happens. (((Hugs)))
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tangerine bear
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   Posted 8/14/2010 2:17 PM (GMT -7)   
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Yesterday was 3 weeks on my new diet and walking regimen.. as of this morning I've lost EIGHT....count them...... 8 pounds!!!!! YAY!!! I am so happy and feeling better!!! (only 42 more to go hahaha). I am on metformin (with NO Actos) and my bg readings are averaging about 120. After meals always about 100 - 110. The only higher readings I have are in the AM and those are down to low 120's. Doing the happy dance here all day!!!!
 
yeah  Bear yeah
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TVEditor
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   Posted 8/15/2010 6:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Good for you bear! Keep with the diet ... but a word of warning ... start shopping for new clothes! You're going to need'em-- the old, baggy ones won't fit in a few weeks ;-)

Do what Lanie & Jeannie are saying -- worked for me :-)
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LanieG
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   Posted 8/17/2010 6:55 PM (GMT -7)   
That's great, Bear!   When you see results, it gives you more strength to continue.  Are you keeping a food journal?
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wodin
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   Posted 8/26/2010 12:34 PM (GMT -7)   
tangerine bear said...
Hi Jeannie!

I think I will start it tonight. I have to do something, my readings are going up. :) I read it takes about 2 weeks to get the full effect. I'll let you know what happens. (((Hugs)))
When I took my first dose of MetFormin (BGL 330 and 400), I was feeling better inside of an hour. But then I was pretty sick, so "feeling better" was relative. Wikipedia says it has a Half life of 6.2 hours, so that's pretty fast.

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   Posted 8/26/2010 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, wodin, I think 'relative' is the key word here.  Some members have said they didn't have any indication of feeling strange when their blood sugar was diagnosed even higher than yours.  Yet, as their blood sugar started to come down to near normal, they were having episodes that felt like hypoglycemia.  I suppose that for them, normal blood sugar really was a hypo for their bodies, that is, until they were able to get used to living with normal blood sugar.  Hope you're doing well.  How are your readings now?
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