Statins and type ll diabetes

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Ringer4
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   Posted 3/13/2016 9:58 PM (GMT -6)   
New to this forum. I read an article or two about the relationship between type ll diabetes and statins. I had been on Atorvastatin for cholesterol for several years. My A1c went from 5.1 up to 7.1 very quickly even with diet and exercise. My doc prescribed Metformin and forgot to tell me. I happened to notice it on my online chart one day. I decided to take matters into my own hands and I started looking online. I found articles that stated statins may cause a rise in blood sugar and may be what causes type ll in some cases. I stopped taking the statin, switched to a natural cholesterol lowering tab and within 1 year my A1c went down from 7.1 to 6.0. My cholesterol has gone up but still below acceptable limits. I also found a new doctor who wants to be a partner in my health and not just tell me what to do. Any thoughts?

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   Posted 3/14/2016 1:44 AM (GMT -6)   
Did it show up on your daily blood test? I am currently taking Atorvastatin and may just stop taking it to see what happens. Which natural cholesterol lowering product did you switch to?
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   Posted 3/14/2016 7:21 AM (GMT -6)   
I did not know there was a relationship between statins and blood sugar. Hmm. I had read about some side effects (especially on women) of statins and was not happy that my doctor wanted me on them but my new doctor told me that the most recent studies on women were that taking them just three times a week was very effective, so that's what I'm doing and it's working.

Also, doctors want diabetics' cholesterol results to be lower than the norm for non-diabetics because diabetics are more prone to heart disease (as well as kidney and eye problems among others.

My advice is to talk to your doctor. Maybe a lower statin dose can also benefit men.
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Ringer4
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   Posted 3/14/2016 9:05 AM (GMT -6)   
LanieG my Dr said the same thing and I have been considering taking them "part-time" as well. Currently I am taking Red yeast rice extract with COq10. It has kept my cholesterol below acceptable limits although my doctor says she would rather see higher sugar levels than higher cholesterol. My daily blood sugar levels are between 95-120 pretty regularly but this is me and everyone's results will be different. I exercise daily and watch what I eat. How are your cholesterol levels taking the statins 3 times per week?

Ringer4
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   Posted 3/14/2016 10:58 AM (GMT -6)   
Also I am not advocating others do this. You must talk with your doctor and decide what is best for yourself. I do not nor have I taken the Metformin as yet. I am not against taking it and will if my levels ever go back up but for now I am trying to be more conscious of what goes in my body.

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   Posted 3/14/2016 6:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Ringer, my total cholesterol went 215 to 180, LDL from 132 to 94 but curiously the HDL went from 69 to 66 and the triglycerides from 68 to 101 (this last was strange to me). This is in about 8 months on the statin three times a week.

Captain, please talk to your doctor about taking statins and possibly changing the dosage before just stopping it. I found that discussing my concerns with my doctor was a good idea.
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   Posted 3/16/2016 4:55 PM (GMT -6)   
It's not a good idea to stop statins without discussing it with your doctor. Suddenly stopping these drugs can contribute to heart attacks and strokes.
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   Posted 3/17/2016 6:36 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the serious reminder!
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JGriffin
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   Posted 4/21/2016 2:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Try Omega 3 to lower your triglycerides. I take two a day because of the same thing that happened to Lainie. It raised my hdl and lowered my triglycerides. But you have to be careful to get the kind that is purified.

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   Posted 4/21/2016 6:00 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi! Long time no see! What kind of Omega-3 do you take? Is Krill Oil the same?
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   Posted 4/21/2016 10:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Cholesterol is in every cell of the body. Without cholesterol you die. Cholesterol is necessary for the hormones your body makes to stay healthy. If you feel you have a problem with cholesterol it is best to look at diet. The cholesterol is there for a reason. If you are eating foods which cause inflammation that is the reason you have high cholesterol. The cholesterol seals up the blood vessels you have damaged. If you are taking a statin make sure you are taking CoQ10.

http://umm.edu/health/medical/altmed/supplement/coenzyme-q10

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   Posted 4/21/2016 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
cholesterol clogs ya arteries. x2 cags. combined with diabetes it aint happiness. statins are just as good for men. as stated stopping chd and stroke. krill oil, red krill it is rubbish. fish oil. that's it. ps. there is no proof in efficacy of krill supplements other than that of fish oil. people are buying into the hype.
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JGriffin
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   Posted 4/21/2016 11:19 AM (GMT -6)   
I take Nordic Ultimate Omega 3 from Whole Foods - 2 a day=1200mg. It is expensive so I wait until they have a sale and stock up. I have some carotid blockage but can't take blood thinners. A neurologist told me to use this to thin my blood (it does) and my gp told me it would also lower my triglycerides (it did by the numbers on my blood workup). My HDL also went up as an added benefit. If you are taking a blood thinner, aspirin or vitamin E, you need to talk it over with you doctor......because it does thin your blood, lower triglycerides and raise HDL! I am stating this after years of taking it and seeing my annual numbers change. It has also stabilized my carotid plaque for four or five years as evidenced by cat scans. And no I cannot take statins or aspirins - which is another reason I tried Omega 3's.

I don't think we need to be so definite about what some people think is a "scam" until we understand why they go seeking alternatives. All our bodies are different and react to medicines and supplements differently. I would never recommend something like Omega 3 if I had not seen definitive proof in my tests. But I also realize that taking statins and aspirin may be a better alternative (and quicker) for those of you who can. I wish I could just take a pill for my many ailments. Unfortunately for my health, I am too sensitive/allergic to a huge list of meds that seem to give a lot of people good results.

In answer to you Lainie....I do not know about Krill oil. I take the name brand and the amount my neurologist recommended and it has worked for me. I did note in some research that "for some people" Omega 3's raise the blood glucose slightly but benefits in other ways.

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   Posted 4/21/2016 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Turtle and JGriffin for the info on what you take! Best wishes for continued good health!

yeah
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   Posted 4/22/2016 7:30 AM (GMT -6)   
Well said. We are all different and each of us must find out what works for us. Just as with diet. One diet doesn't work for everyone but there are basic principals we should consider. The reason we have to eat is to get the vitamins and minerals the body needs. It is best to get the vitamins and minerals from real food rather than supplements. Both Krill oil and Fish oil deliver the Omega 3 fat which many do not get enough of. Krill oil is superior because it does not need to be converted by the body. We get omega 3 oil from the foods we eat. Most people do not get enough omega 3 oil because manufactures use omega 6 oils in process foods. I try to eat wild caught Alaskan salmon once a week which is high in the omega 3.

https://www.bulletproofexec.com/video-omega-3s-is-krill-oil-better-than-fish-oil/

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   Posted 4/23/2016 1:22 AM (GMT -6)   
I have seen research stating that red krill oil and krill oil / deep sea krill and calamari oil have no other stated efficacy than that of fish oil. I mean I live on an island, a big one and our consumer watch dogs have pointed this out publicly. enough said.
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   Posted 4/24/2016 4:04 PM (GMT -6)   
I've seen that also about the link between taking statins with increased risk of developing type 2 diabetes. The FDA issued a warning on this side effect of statins. A warning was also issued on the potential for developing memory loss when taking statins. One article I've seen on this ~

"Statin Medications Can Cause Diabetes, Memory Loss"

www.drsinatra.com/statin-medications-can-cause-diabetes-memory-loss/

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   Posted 5/7/2017 2:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Is it the statins or CoQ10 that increases blood sugar?

I recently (7 days) started taking a statin (Lipitor) and it seems to have kicked something (Fibro) into high gear. I am so stiff in the mornings I can hardly get up. Started doing some reading and found that lots of Drs recommend CoQ10 with statins.

But before starting on something that my Dr didn't mention, I started checking on the CoQ10, and found it can increase blood sugar.

(I had already tried to change cholesterol numbers with fish oils and eating habits, with no appreciable results.)

Thanks for you comments.

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   Posted 5/7/2017 3:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Lynnwood, I was put on a statin many years ago & went off of it because of the increased joint pain. Same thing happened with my brother & his dr kept trying different ones until he found one that agreed with him. I forgot to mention my brother was type II & on Metformin. This is pretty common with some statins.

Husband is type II on insulin & meds for this. He is also on a statin & has not had it interfere with his sugar level. I think because we all metabolize meds differently this is why some can tolerate them without side effects of any kind.

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Post Edited (straydog) : 5/8/2017 8:27:01 AM (GMT-6)


Lanie G
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   Posted 5/7/2017 6:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Lynnwood, I'm on a statin three times a week and I have not experienced muscle pain, but I don't have fibro.

I just googled for info about statins and CoQ10 and blood sugar and found conflicting reports for both regarding whether they raise or otherwise affect blood sugar, so I don't know the answer to your question. However, I can't imagine either one of those affecting blood sugar to make a big difference. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it depends on the person.

I used to take krill oil but it didn't do anything for my cholesterol levels, so my doctor told me she wanted me on statins and that studies found that for women, taking a statin three times a week had good results.
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Check out the following site for more info on blood sugar:
www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

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   Posted 5/8/2017 12:09 PM (GMT -6)   
My A1C is hanging around 5.7 and I've been on Zocor and CoQ10 for quite a few years.

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