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jhalbardier
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   Posted 2/16/2006 9:34 PM (GMT -7)   
~~~~~~~~~~~ History to Date ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I found this site today and registered. I was warned by my optometrist that I was heading towards diabetes in 1998.  I was diagnosed with Type II in 1999 at the age of 37, started on Metformin 2000mg per day.  Found out about the Schwartzbein Principle a few months later and was able to drop about 30 pounds and control my blood sugar by eating low, healthy carbs.
 
Blood sugar levels started a slow increase, so I was put on Actos in 2001.  Actos caused my weight to increase and didn't really help as much as metformin, so I went back on it and stayed for a few years, still low carbs as much as possible.
 
In 2004, I read about the Maker's Diet and have been really working that by shopping organic, no processed foods, lower carbs, grass fed beef, and cultured vegetables sometimes.  It helped me lower my metformin for a while, but added 5mg glyburide in 2005.
 
I've been reading more on Mercola's website and now I'm taking 3 capsules of Nature's Way Blood Sugar (chromium, cinnamon, fenugreek extract, Bitter Melon, Gymnema Sylvestre, and Bilberry), 200mg Alpha Lipoic Acid, and 1000mg Evening Primrose Oil twice a day.  I've also been doing weight training before work for 30 minutes, five days per week, for the past four weeks and drastically cut back on even organic carbs like brown rice and sprouted bread.  My morning readings are usually around 130 where they were around 170 to 180 last year and I've lost 8 pounds in the past two weeks.  about nine days ago, I ditched the meds to see what would happen. Looked OK for awhile, but the past few days, readings started increasing minutely, so I went back on the meds with the supplements.
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My questions are:
How long would you wizened folks consider to be a good "evaluation period" for establishing what works?
Should I wait a few more weeks with just the supplements and exercise?
How long does it take for exercise to kick in?
Could it be that I'm past the point at 43 where I can't control blood sugar without meds?
Has anyone dealt with diabetes for seven years and modified their lifestyle enough to drop meds?
 
James
 
 
 
 

Warren
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   Posted 2/17/2006 2:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi jhalbardier,
 
Well, lets address some of  your questions.  No you should not wait a few more weeks with just supplements and exercise as 130 is allready outside the acceptable range for a diabetics morning fasting blood sugars. I don't think your age has anything to do with where your blood sugars are, I think it has to do with genetics and the disease itself.  Now lets talk about what you are taking as supplements.  I've said it before and I'll say it again.  DO NOT take any supplements with excessive levels of Chromium.  here is the Natures way contents:
 
Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 3 Capsules
Servings per container: 30
Gtf Chromium (As Polynicotinate) 300 mcg 250%
Directions
  Take three (3) capsules twice daily, preferably with food
 
 
As you can see.....they want you to take 1800 mcg of Chromium daily.  THOSE ARE EXTREMELY TOXIC levels.  This can make your hair fall out, it can cause cancer, it can destroy your kidneys....it can do a whole host of nasty things to you while marginally lowering your blood sugar.   DONT use this product!!!!!   There are a host of other products that are out there with essentially the same stuff MINUS the Chromium!
 
Now lets talk about the Evening Primrose Oil.  I have no problems with this except most often this is in the form of oil capules and 90+% of any oil filled capsule is rancid by the time it reaches you.  It doesn't matter how it is manufactured, stored, transported...its a simple fact of life that the oil turns in most cases.  Soooo, unless you can find a dry source for the Evening Primrose oil, or a bottled source, you are probably doing more to destroy any anti oxident value your supplements have by taking the Primrose oil.
 
I dont' mean to rain on your parade and Im not here to push drugs, but in many cases (as you've experienced) no matter what you do with diet, exercise and supplements, you are not going to keep that Blood sugar level in an acceptable range and you need the help that meds can offer.  HOWEVER, but doing all the things you are doing, you are ensuring that the level of medication that you have to supplement with will be minimal, and thats a very good thing!
 
scool  Warren

It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


jhalbardier
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Date Joined Feb 2006
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   Posted 2/17/2006 8:37 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Warren, I was not aware of the potential Chromium toxicity!  I will take them back tonight.  When I started the glyburide 10mg once a day, I would crash down to the low 60s, so I started cutting the pills in half to take twice a day.  I also decreased my metformin.  So, I reduced both meds down too far and forgot to check my blood for a few months and was surprised that it was increasing again!  Duh!

Last night, I added 5mg glyburide with the supp. and 1000mg met and eight hours later (5am) had a 113 reading!  So after, I had two eggs, cheese, tomatoes, on sprouted toast, repeated the same regimine this morning, worked out, and at 9:00 had an 84 reading!  Cool for me, but I really get jittery below 100.


James
"Running is an emergency reflex due to danger."  James Halbardier, 1985


Warren
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   Posted 2/17/2006 10:47 AM (GMT -7)   

As your Endocrinologist about Byetta.  Its a new drug that I use with metformin.  Its draw back is you have to use it by injection twice a day but thats really no big deal...Whats great about it is that it ADJUSTS to the sugar level in your system.  As your Blood sugar rises after a meal, it nudges your system to produce more insulin and as your bs falls, it cuts off the insulin production.  Fabulous stuff!  If you suffer lows with just the glyburide and Metformin you might actually be able to use Byetta as a monotherapy, but again, talk to your Endo guy as he has the big picture for you and can intelligently discuss your options.

scool  Warren

PS  there are lottsa other Natures way products for BS that don't have chromium.  Just take back what you have and swap it out for one of the other ones that doesn't have it!


It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


jhalbardier
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 7
   Posted 2/17/2006 11:44 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm thinking about going to see an Endo finally.  I've been using the same family practice Dr. since I was 12, and I've been reading about the Byetta.  It actually was copied from Gila Monster venom!  Do you have to load up syringes like insulin, or is it self-contained dosages?

James
"Running is an emergency reflex due to danger."  James Halbardier, 1985


Jeannie143
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   Posted 2/17/2006 12:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Warren, aka 'Chronic Grumpy Guy',

I've seen your posts about the rancid oil thing before and have found this not to be true in my case. I have been using Evening Primrose Oil for a female condition with excellent results for over a year. When I discontinue it the problem returns so I have to figure that the Oil is working (and not rancid). I've also had excellent HDL, LDL results from adding Fish Oil to my daily supplements.

Other than the one source you cite do you have any other info about this rancid oil thing? (Just picking on you here tongue )
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Warren
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   Posted 2/17/2006 1:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Health Perspectives said...
Selecting Quality Evening Primrose Oil
Always look first for a certified organic source of Evening Primrose oil. In addition, since oils are highly subject to rancidity, it is recommended that you acquire a product that is manufactured using a low temperature process without chemical solvents to avoid formation of free radicals and ensuing rancidity.

Generally, two grades of evening primrose oil have been available to consumers. The crude grade is considered to be unstable because of it's high organic matter content. This oil is usually greenish color.

Refined evening primrose oils have a low organic matter content and are yellowish color. As we mentioned, oils tend to accumulate pesticides, especially the many kinds that are fat soluble. That's why we always tell our readers to prefer organic oils. Until now few, if any, organic evening primrose oil products have been available.
 
This is from EVENINGPRIMROSEOIL
Its an advertorial from a company that obviously sells evening primrose oil, but the point that is echoed over and over again in many publications, is that MOST evening primrose oils are subject to being rancid or containing nasty stuff!!
 
Am I vindicated??
 
scool  Warren


It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


jhalbardier
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Date Joined Feb 2006
Total Posts : 7
   Posted 2/18/2006 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
The Sundown brand is cold pressed, solvent free.  Maybe it's OK.

James
"Running is an emergency reflex due to danger."  James Halbardier, 1985


Jeannie143
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   Posted 2/18/2006 10:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Heck no! Your info comes from a commercial site! Give me some university research or I'm gonna get arrogant and huffy! tongue (Jeannie is giggling now!)

I have found my products to work, but they come from Puritan in sealed brown containers. Maybe it makes a difference where stuff is purchased, how long it sits on the shelf and all that...

J,
Do you buy that in a store or online?
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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