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birdsong42
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   Posted 6/28/2006 7:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning all,
 
I have been on the 10 mg Byetta pen since December 05. It has worked well for me till recently. I am curious to know if what's happening to me is happening to someone else. I will check my sugar before breakfast or dinner. Check it an hour later before taken the shot. My numbers after dinner are like 162 to 174. I take the insulin and before an hour passes my sugar has dropped to like 61 or 77. I eat right after I take the insulin. I also stopped taking the glucophage in case that was too much for me.
 
But it dosent matter if I just take the insulin. It still drops down.
 
Last night I checked my sugar after dinner and it was 178. @ 10.23 PM. I took the insulin @ 11:37 PM. I then had a slice of Ice cream cake. So I timed myself 2 hours before re checking my sugar. At 1:58 AM it dropped to 77. That's with eating cake! So I took a glucose tablet and I brought it back up to 105.
 
This has been happening on a regular basis. I even stopped taking the insulin for about 5 days and just my glucophage, and my numbers stayed high most of the time.
 
Has anyone else had this problem? Please respond if so. I'm really getting concerned that something is wrong.
 
Blessings,
Donna

Post Edited By Moderator (Warren) : 6/28/2006 11:20:14 AM (GMT-6)


Warren
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   Posted 6/28/2006 8:03 AM (GMT -7)   

Ok, Im confused!  Are you taking Byetta or Insulin??  Byetta is NOT insulin even though they are both taken by injection!

scool Warren
It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


birdsong42
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   Posted 6/28/2006 8:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren,
 
Sorry for the confusion.  I am taking the Byetta Pen-which is a 30 day pre-filled insulin. I'm on the 10 mg 2x a day.
 
Blessings,
Donna

Warren
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   Posted 6/28/2006 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Donna,

Ok, lets get straight on our language here.  Byetta is NOT insulin, the Byetta pen does NOT contain insulin, it contains "lizard spit" (byetta is made from an extract of the Gila monster venom).  Please don't say insulin and Byetta in the same post. Now as to your problem.

1st off, don't take Byetta after you eat if you can help it.  Its most effective at doing what it does if you take it BEFORE you eat (it will keep those spikes from going up after you eat).  Now as to the drop in BS.  Byetta is doing exactly what its supposed to do and a reading in the mid 70's is right where every diabetic should want to be! Please don't eat sugar to bring it back up as it will rise normally and again 70's is a nice normal range for a non diabetic.  Now then, 60's is too low and if you are consistently bouncing into the 60's you should have a talk with your doctor and have him back you off to the 5mcg pen insead of trying to mitigate the effect by adding sugar to your diet!  Right now, I am using the 10mcg pen and with oral meds my BS consistently drops into the 70's after a meal and thats ok. I would like to be so lucky as to not have to use oral meds and have the same effect.

So watch your numbers and if they consistently drop below 65, have a talk with your doctor and suggest that you are going to low and you should maybe back off to 5mcg.

scool Warren
It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


birdsong42
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   Posted 6/28/2006 3:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren,
 
Thank you for taking the time to tell me the diffrence between Insulin and Byetta. I never knew that. I actually looked up Gila Monster venom-and was amazed that something that posionous could help people with type 2 diabetes!
 
I also can't believe I had it all backwards as far as when to take the Byetta. It's no excuse because I am usually obsessed at reading my prescription information. But when My Dr. gave it to me in Dec. it was the same day I got the news my husband had fallen 36 feet straight down-at his job site. I don't know what happened I must have read or heard it wrong and not truly paying attention.
 
Thanks to you I now know to take it "before" the meal. Which makes total sense and explains the up's and downs I'v been having. As far as being in the 70's I didn't think that was normal as I have been told normal is between 80-120.
 
But anyway's thanks for sharing your knowledge with me. I now feel like my levels will be a lot better and I will feel a lot better as well Ü.
 
Blessings,
Donna

Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/28/2006 8:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Donna,
Glad you are getting on the right track. I hope your husband is doing alright! My gosh, it's not like you don't have enough going on in your life. Hang in there, girlfriend and come back often to yak... Glad to make a new friend, but not for the reason.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


birdsong42
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   Posted 6/28/2006 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jeannie,
 
It's so nice to meet you. Thank you for asking and thinking about Mark.  Mark is a living, walking miracle! When Mark was entered into the hospital he went into ICU. Mark had shattered both wrist, broke both orbital bones underneath his eyes, had a brain bleed, crushed his lungs, lacerated his liver and spleen and went into kidney failure. He also had a 3 week 24/7 fever from staph infection in his kidneys than in his lungs. He also was battling pneumonia (sp?) 2 or 3 x. Mark was immediately put into an induced coma because his injuries were life threatning. He stayed in the coma for 2 1/2 months. It was devestating.
 
Mark finally was slowly awakened over a period of time and was very slow in coming out of the coma. Mark also had severe drug withdrawls from all the morphine and other stronger pain killers that were in his body 24/7 for close to three months. I pray I never see drug withdrawls again in my life. He suffered for 10 long days. All I could do was cry and pray.
 
With Mark having fever for so long they could not cast Mark's wrist or do surgery on them. Mark was to have surgery on both wrist where they were going to put plates, rods and screws in both wrist. But because of the fever they were unable to operate. So the ortho Drs. did there very best to come in every other day or so and tried to reset it to as normal as possible.
 
Unfortunatly Mark's hands did not heal correctly. Mark is a commercial plumber-so his hands are his job. He's been having aggressive hand therapy since the day we came home.
 
When Mark got out of the hospital-he could not talk very well. They had just taken out the treach the day we left the hospital after 3 months. Mark had to be spoon fed, I had to hold tissue so he could blow his nose etc.
 
We went from the hospital straight to an Occupational live in quarters. We had a beautiful private room and bath. I had a nice bed and we'd hold hands from his bed to mine at night. It was the first time I was able to be with my baby 24/7 and I wasent about to leave Ü.
 
Mark had excellent therapist. Mark had a physical therapist who would help him walk again. A speech therapist to help him talk, form words, and do memory work with him. He also had an occupational therapist that helped Mark learn how do to basic needs i.e...dressing yourself, feeding yourself and all the little things we take for granted daily.
 
Mark worked hard 6 days a week there, and we were there a little over 6 weeks. The day before we were to leave, Mark and his physical therapist surprised me. I went to meet Mark and he stood up and walked to me. All I could do was smile and cry I was so happy and proud of Mark and his team.
 
Mark has been home now 3 months and is fully walking, talking, doing outside therapy 3 to 5x a week. He's getting stronger and stronger daily. All I can do is smile and thank God for the marvelous works he has done and continues to do in Marks life.
 
Thanks for listening to me Jeannie. I also enjoy making new friends and hope we become such.
 
Blessings,
Donna

Warren
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   Posted 6/29/2006 6:15 AM (GMT -7)   

Wow, makes me glad Im just diabetic!  Congratulations to Mark on such a phenomenal recovery and welcome to the Forum

scool Warren
It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/29/2006 11:13 AM (GMT -7)   
My daughter does physical therapy and I know she says "What you say you can do, you will do! (or die trying!)" and "Whatever you say you can't do, you will never be able to do." Your hubby must have a 'can-do' attitude. He's so lucky to have you in his cheering section.

Hope the byetta isn't giving you too much problem... Although I suspect that you may not have been paying as close attention to your eating schedule as you would have if you didn't have Mark to help out. Please take the time to jot down what you eat and the test numbers you get. This food journal will be extremely helpful to your doctor in figuring your dosages on your meds. It will also let you see where your lows may be coming from. Keeping a food journal will often show you when you are forgetting to eat, and in your hunger where you are over eating to make up for it. Hope this helps.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


birdsong42
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   Posted 6/29/2006 2:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren,
 
Thank you for the warm welcome Ü. And thank you for the congragulatory (sp?) of Mark and his recovery. I look forward to being a part of this group.
 
By the way I started doing the Byetta right and my sugar has been perfect! Thanks for all the help Warren.
 
Donna

birdsong42
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   Posted 6/29/2006 2:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jeannie Ü
 
I hope your day is going well. Mark just got home from therapy. Thank you for the wonderful advice about keeping a food journal. I remember when Mark first got hurt-for the first 3 weeks all I lived off of was sugar free puddings and bananas. It's the only thing I could hold down at that point.
 
But your right, it is important to write down what you eat and when. Since I have taken Warrens advice and did the Byetta pen right my sugar has been awesome! To look back now I think I just had selected hearing about the Pen. So much happened so fast.
 
Jeannie you mentioned your daughter goes to therapy as well. May I ask for what? How old is she?
 
Mark has had his share of discouraging days. Especially when they try something new and he can't quite do it yet. Mark wants to do everything he used to could do ASAP.
 
Your daughter also seems to have a "can do it attitude." You have to or you'll just give up and wither away. I hope your daughter is doing well in progress at her therapy sessions.
 
I look forward to chatting with you again.
 
Donna

Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/30/2006 8:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Donna,
My daughter, MC, is a physical therapist assistant in an extended care facility. Right now there is no Physical Therapist on the staff and she is running the program until they can hire one. She laughs because she is 'overseen' by an Occupational Therapist who graduated about 35 years ago and much of the OT's knowledge is 'outdated'.

MC is dealing with severe allergies to everything (including latex), fibromyalgia, Crohns and her first pregnacy. In the last year she has aquired a husband, a new home, a crazy dog, a first vehicle and she is only 24. She is the bread winner in their home since her hubby can only get part time work in his field. She is one of the strongest individuals I have ever known and I am extrememly proud of her.

I would like to ask you to be sure to take very good care of you, because if you don't, who will? Mark needs you to be the best you can be as he makes his progress. Cheer him on and I will remember you both in my prayers.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


birdsong42
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   Posted 6/30/2006 11:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren,
 
I have another question for you. My sugar has been great. I checked My sugar an hour after dinner tonight and it was a nice 98 Ü. My daughter brought me a large french vanilla coffee and froth with splend's for sugar taste. It was from Starbucks sooo you know it was good!
 
An hour and some minutes later I checked my sugar and it was now 78?
 
We left our friends house around midnight and when I got home I checked it again. Another hour had passed before checking it @ home. It was now 120?
 
So this is how it started tonight. I took my Byetta waited an hour and ate dinner and took the 500 mg glucophage. And it was 98, then 78 after the Starbucks cappuccino. Once we got home I checked it again and it had climbed to 120. Not bad or complaining.
 
But why does it rise like this at night? Am I suppose to have a healthy snack before bed time to level it out? If So what do you consider a healthy snack and why does it help our bodies regulate?
 
Thanks for helping me out so much. I hope I didn't drop too much on you.
 
Blessings,
Donna

Warren
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   Posted 7/2/2006 5:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Donna,
 
Well, the Byetta did exactly what it was supposed to do.  However, Im guessing that you maybe ate dinner and your starbucks around 8pm and did your last test an hour after midnight or 1am.  Thats 5 hours later and the Byetta is beginning to shut down or wear off.  Also depending on what you had for dinner, as the delayed release of that meal hits your blood stream, again it could push your blood sugar up.  It would be interesting to see where you were about 9am the following morning.  Again, the swing upward to 120 is nothing to worry about as that is still in a safe "range" for a diabetic. 
 
Check those "fasting" numbers in the mornings and lets see what those are as those are a good measure of whats happening with you and how effective your Byetta is in keeping your numbers under control.
 
scool  Warren
It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


birdsong42
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   Posted 7/2/2006 10:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Warren,
 
Ok for the next week I will take the fasting test at 9:00 A.M. for a week.
 
Just to make sure I do this right. I take the Byetta at 8 A.M. and then check my fasting at 9:00 A.M. correct?
 
I'll start today. Thank you Warren.
 
Blessings,
Donna

birdsong42
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   Posted 7/2/2006 10:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Jeannie, :-)
 
How was your weekend? Today we had our annual Sunday family & Friends cookout at Mark's brother's home. We all have such a wonderful time being together. Mark's second chance has shown me what ARE the really important things in life...Family Ü. I got to have my 2 nieces with us and our two grandbabies!!!!
 
I applaud your daughter Jeannie. MC has one of the most rewarding-self giving jobs out there. Mark and I were close too many therapist at our stay in Brooks. But Mark's
Physical and assistant physical therapist were gems! They worked so hard with Mark to teach him how to stand up. When his feet wouldn't stay down-they encouraged him and told him he needed to be casted on both feet in order to get the heels flat on the floor to walk properly. Mark was so afraid all he'd be able to do is sit in a wheel chair. But those 2 did not give him time to cry in his cheerios. The 2 castings worked, their determination and Mark's confidence from everyone gave Mark the strength to push more each day. We were to leave Brooks March 31st 06. The day before that he stood and walked for me Ü.
 
So Please let this also encourage MC as well. They truly make a diffrence in others lives just by being positive and encouraging AND pushing there patients that extra mile.
 
MC is surly going through a lot right now! Bless her heart, I will keep her in my prayers daily. And her first pregnancy! Congragulation to Mom, Hubby and Grandma Ü. Where is the precious bundle due?

Wow MC has had a whrilwind of a year! It all sounds so happy though. I can see how proud your are of MC, she seems like an incedible lady Ü.

I headed your kind advice and have made several Drs. appts to make sure I do stay healthy..not only for myself but for Mark as well. Thank you for caring Jeannie. And thank you with all my heart for you spending time in prayer for us, Thank you.

Hugs, Donna

 



 

Warren
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   Posted 7/3/2006 6:45 AM (GMT -7)   

LOLOL nonononono Donna!!  Take your Blood sugar readings when you get up in the morning.  You definately don't want to take them after you've taken any meds, especially the Byetta!  The whole idea is to see what you're body is doing overnight in terms of insulin and sugar production.  If you take the reading after you've taken your Byetta, the drug will kick in and lower your readings, and of course you will have great numbers.  So.....definately take that finger stick before you take any kind of meds in the morning.

scool Warren
It's not that some people have willpower and some don't. It's that some people are ready to change and others are not. - James Gordon, M.D.
What some call health, if purchased by perpetual anxiety about diet, isn't much better than tedious disease. - George Dennison Prentice

I can only please one person per day, today is not your day...tomorrow doesn't look good either.


birdsong42
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   Posted 7/3/2006 1:13 PM (GMT -7)   
:-)  Hi Warren,
 
LOL it was so funny to see you via PC laughing Ü. But hey I'm learning the right ways to do things :-) . But seriously thank you for all your input....not even my Dr. has told me as much as I have learned from chatting with you.
 
I did check my sugar "before" Byetta Ü and it was 89.
 
Hope your having a good holiday weekend and Happy 4th of July!
 
Blessings,
Donna

debsonline2
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   Posted 9/2/2006 12:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow...I love you guys! It is so great to "chat" with all of you. I am new to the forum and it is really a Godsend. To see how much help and encouragement everyone is willing to offer really touches my heart! Birdsong and Jeannie.....you gals are amazing! I will pray for your husband and daughter and for all here. Warren...thank you so much for all the Byetta info and support.

Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/4/2006 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Debs and Donna,
My daughter lost her baby at about 13 weeks. I had forgotten that I posted about it so I didn't make a general announcement. They have done some testing and the doctors figured out what was wrong. She has a specialist who will be helping her if she should happen to become pregnant again. We went through a pretty rough time in July... Actually, I don't remember much of the month what with driving to her city and the hospital stuff and all... She is doing better and we are all praying for a better time if they are lucky enough to conceive again.

BTW, Debs, I wish my name was Grace... then you could call me Amazing Grace! :-)
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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