Triglycerides, cholesterol etc

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Claire-Bear
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   Posted 9/6/2006 1:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone,
 
I chanced upon this website and thought it was really insightful...I think it was fergusc who has the argument that low carb and higher fat levels work and part of the article seems to me to support that - see the following paragraph from the link
 
 
Contrary to popular belief, a low fat diet is NOT the solution to lowering high triglycerides levels. The researchers Van Horn and Lichtenstein extensively reviewed the low-fat approach a few years ago (5). Their research suggests that a low-fat diet will produce a result opposite to the desired effect: triglyceride levels will actually increase. This phenomenon is not surprising if one considers that insulin resistance may be one of the driving factors behind elevated triglyceride levels. In fact, insulin resistance may be the cause of many of the problems observed in high-triglyceride states.(6,7)
 
but please read the whole article
 
Claire x

JGriffin
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   Posted 9/6/2006 5:59 AM (GMT -7)   
That is very interesting. I talked about that very thing with my diabetic counselor last week. In the early 1990's my cholestrol and triglycerides began to rise. The doctor told me to go on the American Heart Association diet. I measured EVERY bite I put in my mouth by calories/cholestrol/fat. I kept detailed records and tried to eat as little fat as possible. My cholestrol and fat went down moderately, but that was the first time the doctor began watching my sugar which was getting higher every year - even if just a few points. I lost 25 pounds on this diet so I thought I was doing good things to my body. I can look back now and see that my insulin resistance was starting and increased until my diabetes 2 was diagnosed last year.

My counselor has said because I am at present time controlling my sugars, she expects my cholestrol and triglycerides to go down. Her motto is moderation and balance and eat the good fats! Her diet is certainly working for me. I go for my annual physical in October. I am looking forward to it to see if she is right. Last year my doctor said we would get the sugars under control this year and then he would work on the cholestrol and triglycerides. Here's hoping my diligence with my exercise and diet have worked to repair the damage I did to myself with the "old" American Heart Association diet of too many carbohydrates and no fat. I will let you know in mid October.

wmnak
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   Posted 9/6/2006 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   

Good Luck, JGriffin.  Sounds like you are very conscientious and your October results will undoubtedly prove that.  You are EXtremely lucky! to have found a professional who actually understands the 'old' food pyramid was faulty and who is willing to endorse a better diet.

Thanks, Claire, for the link.  Bout time science can verify what we have learned thru personal experience.


fergusc
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   Posted 9/6/2006 4:18 PM (GMT -7)   

Claire,

You're a genius! That's a fabulous post which might help a lot of people to reconsider the conventional wisdom of a so-called healthy low-fat diet.

You're right, I've been trying to persuade the cynics (Hi Spooky!) that a low fat diet is counterproductive to our common goal of normal weight, blood sugars and lipid levels. I really do hope a few more people start to question the advice given by the official agencies in the US and here in the UK.

Pass the butter........

fergusc


Claire-Bear
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   Posted 9/7/2006 2:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I for one think I'm going to try to cut down the carbs a bit (and I'm very lucky my favourite meal is a caesar salad!) but it's difficult when you've been almost 'programmed' by the medical proffession to load up on your carbs...though I also think that a no-carb diet is seriously unhealthy.  You have to find a balance, and as I always say (and this should be my moto) everything should be in moderation!
 
Also, it will mean taking less insulin and therefore you're less likely to have hypos (but I want to add here that I do NOT have medical training so, as always, please discuss with your medical team before making any major changes to your care)
 
(fergusc - share the butter when you're done, ha ha)  tongue

Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/7/2006 9:04 AM (GMT -7)   
I never understood the high carb diet... All I could think of is "Why aren't the eskimo people all dead?" I think in the past their diet consisted mostly of fish, seal, berries, and whale blubber. (Don't quote me on this, I'm just remembering newsreel movies as a kid where the eskimo children thought of whale blubber -mucluk or muctuk?- much as we thought of candy, as a special treat.) I remember learning that they had almost no dental disease because there were so few carbohydrates or sugars in their diet and even the old adults all had mouths full of teeth. I also remember that the oldest grandmothers had worn down their teeth from chewing on leather to soften it. I couldn't understand why ALL my grandparents had dentures and the eskimos kept their teeth long enough to wear them down.

If the high fat diet was so bad the eskimo children should have died by age six!
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


fergusc
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   Posted 9/7/2006 3:38 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Jeannie, Hi Claire,

Are we lone voices in the wilderness here or do I detect the beginnings of a real paradigm shift?

The more thought you give to conventional dietary wisdom, the less sense it makes. Our diets consist of varying proportions of carbohydrate, protein and fat. The first has an enormous impact on blood sugar and insulin requirements, the second much less, and the third barely at all. So the current logic is that our diets should comprise mostly carbs with strict limits on the other two? Do me a favour!

Yours is a very valid point, Jeannie. For virtually the whole of our evolutionary history we have survived on a diet very low in carbohydrate and much higher in protein and fat. It's what we're engineered to run on. So I'm certain the current dietary imbalance is what is largely responsible for the widespread increase in diabetes, obesity, cardiovascular disease etc. throughout the western world.

Mine's a chicken caesar and hold the croutons!

fergusc


judyinky
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   Posted 9/9/2006 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
I reallly like this post. I saved it in my files to study it. It's interesting and makes so much sense. Also, it makes me realize how much I have to learn about my body and diabetes. Thanks to whoever posted it.

Be Well,

Judy
"Hope is seldom found in the things we can see;
it is the sweet fragrance of grace."



eljay1066
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   Posted 9/9/2006 6:45 PM (GMT -7)   
I know there are others here who are balancing a healthy diet along with a Crohn's friendly one, and that's quite a tightrope. I crave salads and can't eat them. Also, because of Crohn's, I do not absorb fats; so I don't have that aid. Last time I was checked, though, I'm pretty sure my results were in the normal range except for glucose. I don't feel like eatiing much lately and I've lost about 30 pounds -- still have a lot more to lose -- but the carbs are so darn soothing to a faulty digestive system. Actually, I still eat them, but the portions are controlled accidentally since I feel full most of the time and have trouble breathing when I eat. I want that to go away, of course, but I want to keep losing weight. Well, we'll see. I'm trying to be more conscious about it all.
Take care. Lois




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wmnak
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   Posted 9/9/2006 10:56 PM (GMT -7)   

You hit the nail on the head, Lois ... CONSCIOUS.

Even when I over indulge now, I am aware of what I'm doing.  There were years of automatic eating - if it was available, if it looked, smelled, tasted good, then I'd eat it.

I also understand your food choice difficulities with Crohns.  I have a permanent colostomy (rectal cancer) and it's hard to accommodate diabetes and digestive probs.  Low carb worked wonderfully for my pre-ostomy diabetes, but now I need to explore more options for bulkier foods low on the GI index.  Made a big pot of brown rice and lentils today - we'll see....   :-)


spooky
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   Posted 9/10/2006 7:22 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi everybody out there,

                                 Definition of a cynic:

  1. An attitude of scornful or jaded negativity, especially a general distrust of the integrity or professed motives of others.

                                Hey,i have respect and regard for your opinions(Hi There Fergusc!).

                                1) i wish to make a few things clear.I wonder who proclaimed to the world that a diet RICH and in HIGH CONCENTRATIONS of CARBOHYDRATES is good for a diabetic!All that was said and is being said is that about 50 to 60% of one's diet should constitute carbohydrate,that too of the complex variety.Fats don't convert to glucose in the blood and the brain exclusively depends on glucose for IT"S EXISTENCE and the heart usually utilizes glucose and when the need arises can use up fatty acids.

                               2)The vital question we should ask ourselves is "WHAT KIND OF FAT AM I EATING?"Yes,it's been PROVED that diets rich in mono and poly unsaturated fats are good as compared to a HIGH carbohydrate diet.Diets rich in trans-fats are deadly--see the link below from NEJM.DIETS RICH IN TRANS-FATS AND SATURATED FATS RAISE SERUM TRIGLYCERIDES. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/354/15/1601 

                               After all it's our hearts we are trying to protect!


fergusc
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   Posted 9/11/2006 4:11 PM (GMT -7)   

Sorry Spooky, perhaps I should have said sceptic!

I think a lot of these differences of opinion perhaps stem from a starting point which at least used to embrace the USDA food pyramid as something with a little empirical credibility. Those days are surely staring to change. That diabetics should base their diet on 'bread, grains and other starches' and choosing 'low or non-fat foods' is dangerously misguided, surely?

No argument from me about the trans-fats though!

fergusc 


alwaysanxious
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   Posted 10/29/2006 7:08 AM (GMT -7)   
nono  what are good carbs and how many should we eat a day ? also is sugar allowed occasionly, just curios

alwaysanxious
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   Posted 10/29/2006 7:29 AM (GMT -7)   
  nono hi I forgot to ask what are the fasting numbers for anyone watching there sugar, also after eating meals

gelchick
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   Posted 10/29/2006 2:44 PM (GMT -7)   
My fasting is right around 100 and my 2hr pp is generally around 125. Before meal is generally in the 90's and post exercise ranges from mid 90's to high 70's. I can't eat as low carb as some do here but I try to keep it around 100 net carbs per day and  40(carb)/30(fat)/30(protein) ratio. I get a lot of fiber (50-60 grams) because I am a vegetarian, and I eat lentils, bran, and high fiber fruits such as red raspberries every day. I try to eat healthy fats from nuts, olive oil and avocados, but I do enjoy some real Amish butter once or twice a week. I use real sugar in my recipes, not Splenda- I find that it does not affect my BG as long as the food I eat with it has some fat and protein in it - so I add nut meal or chopped nuts to all of my cookie recipes, add some whole wheat flour to the white, and I use real butter. I eat my cookie with a nice glass of Hood low carb milk. The protein balances the starch, my BG doesn't spike, and all is well in my little diabetes world.
 
I do not worry if my fats are high- since I gave up the low fat approach, my trigylcerides dropped to 79 and my HDL has increased to 55. LDL was in the 80's at my last check. My blood pressure has also improved from 120/80 to 112/72 (more exercise now?). I expect my A1c to be in the low 6's next month.
good luck to you! sandy
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alwaysanxious
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   Posted 10/31/2006 12:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the info gelchick.someone told me about xylitol, do you know any thing about that,you are a very supportive group here thanks
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