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TALLDUDE
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   Posted 12/12/2006 4:09 PM (GMT -7)   
just wondering how high do numbers normally go up after eating food? what is considered an extreme?

Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/12/2006 9:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Any time your blood sugar is over 150 more than two hours after a meal you are doing permanent damage to your blood vessels, kidneys, eyes and the nerves in your extremities. Normals usually are at about 110 two hours after a meal.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


gelchick
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   Posted 12/14/2006 1:28 PM (GMT -7)   
My endo says that 160 after a meal is ok but I should aim for 140. Now that my sugar is under good control, I rarely get above 120 even though I am eating the same number and type of carbs as when my numbers were in the 180 - 200 range. I know diabetics who regularly go up to 180 or even 200 and who don't worry about it because they are back down to 90 -100 - 3 hours after they eat. One of them has been controlling his diabetes for almost 20 years, using exercise as his only medicine and eating only heart healthy foods. He has no complications!
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


4sons
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   Posted 12/14/2006 2:26 PM (GMT -7)   
gelchick said...
My endo says that 160 after a meal is ok but I should aim for 140. Now that my sugar is under good control, I rarely get above 120 even though I am eating the same number and type of carbs as when my numbers were in the 180 - 200 range. I know diabetics who regularly go up to 180 or even 200 and who don't worry about it because they are back down to 90 -100 - 3 hours after they eat. One of them has been controlling his diabetes for almost 20 years, using exercise as his only medicine and eating only heart healthy foods. He has no complications!

I don't understand how you can be eating the same foods and having your bs levels be lower. Are you on meds that do that? If not ... how do you do that?
 
Thanks!
Cheers -

Ruth/4sons

age 52/Type 2 diabetic/"controlled" by diet and exercise


Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/14/2006 9:36 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't want to split hairs here but Gelchick's friend without complications may not be sharing his kidney test results with her or his opthamologist's results either. My sugars were in the 120-130 range for years before they dropped the cut-off point for diagnosis. I've never had a 300 reading in my life but I still have neuropathy in my feet and stage 1.5 renal damage. Everyone is different and until someone has established their average reading in a normal range it's best to err on the side of caution.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


4sons
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   Posted 12/15/2006 5:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Good to know, Jeannie ... the more conservative approach does seem to be safer. My numbers are good and the highest I've ever seen myself get was 133 but you're proof that those numbers need to be LOWER. I do know my body is more sensitive to most things than "normal" (whatever that is!!!) so it would make sense that my own body needs to run LOW numbers in order to be safe.

Thanks again.
Cheers -

Ruth/4sons

age 52/Type 2 diabetic/"controlled" by diet and exercise


gelchick
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   Posted 12/16/2006 5:14 PM (GMT -7)   
First my friend : No retinopathy; no kidney disease; excellent lipid profile; no high blood pressure; no glasses; no neuorpathy; no liver abnormalities; A1c in the 5.3 range-always. 71 years old and getting older- runs stairs for a minimum of 1 hour a day every day - no medicines. Eats only heart healthy foods, doesn't count carbs and doesn't worry about high numbers because they go back to normal very rapidly.  He looks like he could be in his late 50's-early 60's. 
 
Now me: I have no idea why my numbers are lower than before. I have not changed my diet or exercise. I actually stopped taking Actos about 6 weeks ago because it made me gain weight and hold water- so if anything I take less medicine than before.
 
I told my doctor that it was counter productive to take a medicine that prevented me from doing the one proven thing I could do to naturally bring my sugar count down. She wanted me to take glipizide XL and I did for 3 days- it made me drop into the 60's and I gained 3 pounds. I stopped taking it. I also refused to take lisinopril (sp?) because my blood pressure is on the low side, I don't have kidney disfunction, and it's known to raise sugar and potassium levels. She got all testy with me and I asked her to refer me to the Joslin Diabetic Clinic or to another doctor who believes in a less chemical approach to diabetes management.
 
We finally agreed that I could try 'my way' - I follow the Insulin Resistance Diet approach to carb management. I link one carb to one protein every time I eat carbs. I eat the same number (about 120 NET carbs  -up to 180 Total carbs), type (low to med GI), and frequency (3 meals + low carb yogurt before bed) as before. I ride my exercise bike 1 hour or walk 1.5-2 hours per day- except for Sunday. I only eat plant foods (including proteins) and yogurt. Except for the yogurt, I am a vegan. I drink 84 ounces of water laced with a bit of lemon every day.
 
My sugars are between 72-88 in the AM; in the 80-mid 90's during the day and about 90-95 before bed. They drop to about 68-72 after exercise. I test 5-7 times a day, so I can document my progress for her- I take 500mg of metformin at breakfast and dinner and 1000 mg at night. I dropped 500 mg at night 3 weeks ago (I was taking 1500 at night) because I ran short of medicine and was waiting for it to come in the mail. After 3 days, I found no difference in my numbers, so I waited to see how long it would take to start creeping up again- 22 days later - still no change.
 
I do think that consistency has a lot to do with my good numbers- before my diagnosis I would eat I large meal and one small meal a day, sleep about 4 hours a night and exercise only about twice a week. My BG at diagnosis was 457 at the end of July, so I am doing well.  I plan to increase my exercise during the year next year in hopes of reducing or eliminating my medicine while maintaining good control over my BG.
 
I am going to have my A1c and blood work done mid-January and am expecting a good result.
sandy
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/16/2006 6:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow! Great numbers! Good for you. Wish my body worked that well but it does not handle foods or exercise the way yours does. I have to do swimming because of osteoporosis and arthritis as well as degenerative joint disease in my spine and ankle. Basically my body is falling apart piece by piece. tongue That and my fibro make exercise and swimming a living torture but a necessary evil in my life. Don't get me wrong, I love the feeling of swimming, I just dislike the pain involved.

I admire your discipline. Don't think I would adhere to a vegan food plan. Figure I have about 25 good years of life left and really love my chicken and walleye! Steak once in a while isn't so bad, either. To each his/her own, I guess. Anyway, great numbers.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


gelchick
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   Posted 12/20/2006 2:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Jeannie!
It's not really anything special that I am doing, and I really love vegan eating. I am not fond of the taste of meat and never have been a fan, so I am not suffering. I haven't made a lot of big changes since my dx other than being more mindful of my carbs and consistent with the exercise. I convinced another one of my friends to be my exercise buddy. She hates to move, but her kids and I convinced her to try 15 minutes a day on the exercise bike they bought her for mother's day. She's doing 15 minutes in the AM and 15 minutes in the PM, and has been now for about 3 months. Her fasting BG is down to 104 (from 140's), and her bp went down so much her doctor cut her medication in half! She hasn't lost any weight and has actually been eating too much fat with the holidays. Even that little bit of exercise seems to have given her big benefits- and inspired me to try and add a little AM session every day as my new years resolution.
 
Happy Holidays!
sandy yeah
I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett

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