My opinion about medications

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Bonge
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   Posted 12/23/2006 8:33 AM (GMT -7)   
     Hello all.  I just found this site and decided to make this post about what I think is true about any medication.
     First, I have type 2 diabetes....or so they tell me.  I couldn't care less.  I'm not changing my life, what's left of it, to cater to any disease.  You've got to die from something, so why not this.
     I mentioned my condition because my doctor gave me Glucophage to treat it.  I took it for three days, and threw it away.(severe diarrhea)  He also had me on Hyzaar for blood pressure.  I stopped taking that too.(excessive persperation and dehydration)  Why should a person stop taking medication?  Because over the years I have realized what exactly is going on within the human body, and after explaining it to my doctor, he reluctantly agreed.
     Your body is genetically programmed to operate in a certain fashion.  That means that all the processes in your body operate in conjunction with each other to produce certain results.  These results might produce a healthy body.  These results might produce a not so healthy body.  These processes might interact in such a way that over a period of me, you develop some abnormality, like diabetes or cancer.
     The fact that your body is genetically programmed to produce these results means that if you take a drug that alters a process, like slowing down the release of sugar in your bloodstream, then all of the other processes will be affected also.  Since process "A" releases something in your blood that causes process "B" to release it's chemicals so that organ "C" can then do it's thing, etc.  Well, introducing a foreign drug into your body that will interfer with process "A", will also affect every other process in your body.
     Some people will say that these are side effects.  Yes, you could say that, but what they don't say is that by taking some drug, you are going against your body's genetic programming.  Once you take this drug, your programming will try to adjust to it, and it can cause a multitude of other problems that you didn't have before.  This is why I had severe diarrhea and severe perspiring.  Side effects?  yes, but what else is not operating the way my body is programmed to operate?
     Taking any drug will always cause other problems that will eventually cause other serious conditions to develop, which is why I stopped taking everything.  My body's processes will keep operating in a manner that makes me have diabetes and high blood pressure, and trying to medicate it out of my body will only cause those processes to change into some other negative process, since they're not programmed to operate normally.
     I have seen this happen to many people over the years, and that's why I finally presented it to my doctor. 
     To those of you who have some disease, I bet that once you were diagnosed with it and you were given medication to take, you began to develop other problems, right?  That's what I mean about being genetically programmed to operate a certain way.  Your body is programmed to have that disease, and trying to change that will cause something else to not operate properly.

Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/23/2006 8:42 AM (GMT -7)   
LOL! Bonge, welcome to HealingWell. I haven't seen it put quite that way but I wish you all the best with your non-medicated lifestyle. For myself, I subscribe to the viral invasion, bacterial infection, genetic mutation philosophies. I enjoy trying to balance my body when it gets a bit off kilter. I also research medication so that I understand their side effects and can cope with them.

I feel a responsibility to my family to care for myself as best I can so as not to become a burden at my end of life time. High blood sugars result in kidney failure, limb loss, blindness, strokes and heart attacks. I would like to maintain some type of independence as long as possible to allow my children to lead their own lives without having to care for me. Blindness and dialysis as well as amputation and stroke would kind of put a crimp in my plan.

Well, to each his/her own, I guess. Good luck with your ideas.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


4sons
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   Posted 12/24/2006 10:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Happy holidays to you as well!

While I personally am doing everything I can to keep this 52 yr. old body going, I do understand where you're coming from. I have had a "unusual" life to put it mildly and agree that the world isn't necessarily a kind or gentle place (at least it hasn't been for me). My faith is what keeps me going ... but I understand that without that I might feel exactly the same as you do. My wish for you is that you go gently.

Post Edited By Moderator (Jeannie143) : 12/24/2006 10:38:41 AM (GMT-7)


Bonge
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   Posted 12/26/2006 12:44 PM (GMT -7)   
     I noticed that my second post was edited by eljay.  I apologize for that eljay, I didn't realize that I had posted something that went against the rules here.  I was trying to indicate that I wouldn't allow myself to be dependent on someone else's care, and I went into too much detail about it.  I should have been more tactful in the way I said it.  I'll be more careful in the future.  Again, sorry about the post.

Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/26/2006 10:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Bonge,

I've been edited myself so I know how you feel. We try to keep this family oriented and we do have teens and children who read here. That's why we try to keep the posts helpful, supportive and educational. There are a lot of influences in society that make it difficult for people with chronic conditions and HealingWell is kind of like a beacon of hope in the murky darkness to me.

Your ideas are your own and you are welcome to post them as long as they follow the rules. For myself, I have seen friends and family suffer severe consequences of not following a good medical regimen for diabetes and I don't want to go there. Also, when I have a few bad days of eating the wrong things (like yesterday!) I feel like a pile of dog pooh! When I get back to my salads and yogurt, swimming and yoga I feel much better, sleep better and am less crabby. Life is difficult enough without me adding to it by not following my doctor's advice. That's what I pay her for and so that's what I do.

Take care, buddy.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


4sons
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   Posted 12/27/2006 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Ahhhhhhhh - got it! Thanks!
Cheers -

Ruth/4sons

age 52/Type 2 diabetic/"controlled" by diet and exercise


AMM
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   Posted 12/31/2006 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm a type 1 diabetic. If I didn't take my meds I'd have died in less than a week at the age of 10. Personally, I feel that the best action for meds that cause undesireable side effects is to discuss it with your doctor and work together to find ones that don't. But, that is just me. I'm also glad you don't decide if someone else's life is a burden. I am the mother of a handicapped child. She is a blessing, not a burden. I'm new, so if I offend I am sorry.

Jeannie143
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   Posted 12/31/2006 6:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Amm,
Your viewpoint is welcome. You do not offend.

Post Edited (Jeannie143) : 1/3/2007 11:24:07 PM (GMT-7)


Bonge
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   Posted 1/3/2007 6:10 PM (GMT -7)   

     First, to Amm, no, I would never want control over another person's existence.  I have no right to make a decision like that, and I wouldn't want it.

     Jeannie 143, I totally understand why it's necessary to keep the posts "family oriented", considering the wide range of ages of the people who post here.

     Something that I have wondered about, and I guess this would be a good place to ask....Doctors say that being overweight can lead to diabetes, but can't the opposite be true also?  I was always tired and felt rundown (I still am), and all I wanted to do was sleep, which I did.....10....12....14 hours a day when I had the time to sleep.  I was like this for years, before my blood sugar went above normal.  I had it tested each year, and it was in the normal range for years, and those were the years that I was tired and slept all the time.

     Sleeping, and not doing anything else, caused me to gain a lot of weight.  I don't eat much, but eating anything and not burning off the calories will cause weight gain.  My weight was in the normal range when all this started, but now I'm fat.(6'-2" at 295 pounds).  If I didn't develop diabetes, I'd still be in the normal range (225-235 pounds), so isn't it possible that diabetes causes weight gain, and not the other way around, for a lot of people?

     I'd also like to know who makes up those weight charts in the doctors office.  When I had my back looked at by a specialist, he told me that I was overweight and needed to lose weight.  He suggested that I get down to 190 pounds.

     I busted out laughing, which the doctor didn't care for.  I said, "Doc, I was on Phen-Fen for a good while, and that stuff made your appetite disappear completely.  I mean you never wanted food, and had to force yourself to eat.  If I ate ½ of a sandwich a day, that was alot.  I took in less than 500 calories a day.  Doing that for a year, I could only get down to 210 pounds....my ribs were sticking out, and I looked anorexic....and you want me to get down to 190?  How?  Should I stop eating all together?"  He just grumbled and walked away.

Anyway, Happy New Year to everyone!


Jeannie143
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   Posted 1/3/2007 11:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Bonge,

You sure have found some winners in the doctor category! I always remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class... maybe you got one of those. tongue

about the weight thing, yes, diabetes can definitely lead to fat storage and obesity before the diagnosis is made. In fact, researchers are finding that diabetics metabolize food into fat before they use it for immediate energy needs. Some researchers believe that diabetes is a "famine survival" technique that some of our bodies have learned in anticipation of times of low food supplies. The fact that our country is mostly made up of people who made it thru hard times and managed to reproduce as well might explain our high diabetes rates.

One of the keys to managing the fat storage thing is daily exercise. This acclimates the body to the idea that it's going to have to spend some of that energy on a regular basis and also helps move the glucose into the cells where the mitochondria can utilize it for energy production. This problem was not so prevalent in the past when more movement was involved in daily activity. Heck, just saddling up a horse or hitching it to a wagon involved a lot more exercise than going out, pressing a button and opening a car door. It's easy to see why we are in such a pickle!
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


AMM
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   Posted 1/6/2007 5:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I think you really do find some winners for doctors, Bonge. I have Type 1 diabetes so I'm not quite up to it on Type 2, but for me I gain weight when my blood sugar is in good control. Physical excercise is very important for me. I recently had a bad fall and injured my back. I couldn't walk for a month. It was hard to even sit. I spent much of that month in one position on my back. Now I am feeling up to starting my excercise routine again. I may not be able to do a full work out but I am going to the gym today and giving it a start. The other day my mother asked me why I was getting so fat. I told her maybe it had something to do with the fact that I couldn't move.
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.  Shouldn't I be invincible by now?


quatlox
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   Posted 1/8/2007 9:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Insulin will make you FAT. Yes, My Dr took me off of my REG and NPH u-100 insulins and put me on LANTIS and NOVALOG. I gained 18 pounds in one week. YES, you heard right, 18 pounds in one week on LANTIS and NOVALOG.

I changed back to my REG and NPH insulins and lost the weight in 2 months. While keeping better BS #s than with the Lantis and Novalog.

I have never been overweight in my life (130 pounds) at 5ft 8 in, but now I am getting older (48), I am now up to 160 and still want to lose 10 pounds. But when I hit 180 pounds with the Lantis and Novalog, I said NO-WAY and went back to the REG and NPH.

I have read other insulin users say that LANTIS makes them gain weight also.

PS. Ever since that happened I have been regulating my own insulin and just taking what the Dr says with a grain of salt and he is an ENDO and he is also about 100 pounds over weight (my wife told me he wants company in the FAT club).

Bob

Jeannie143
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   Posted 1/8/2007 7:32 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL! Quatlox you're funny. tongue Well, Lantis has saved my numbers and I've lost about 16 lbs since starting it 15 months ago. I believe that our fattening tendencies are more heredity than medication but the jury is still out on a lot of this stuff. If you want to lose weight fast get that Norovirus that's going around! Wheweeee! ... Only kidding.
~ Jeannie

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."

- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross

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