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tex-mex girl
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   Posted 1/21/2007 7:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,
I'm new to this forum.  I have been diagnosed with pre-diabetes.  confused My fasting blood count was 116.  It has been creeping up thru the years.  I am not a sedentary person. I work out at the gym and do cardio on the days i don't lift weights.  I am 5'2'' and my weight is not what it should be but I am not fat...I have lots of muscle and curves.  Diabetes, type 2 runs in my family but I thought if I worked out, I could dodge the bullet.  I try to eat healthy all the time.  My cardiologist gave me 8 months to lose some weight....otherwise he wants me to take some meds to prevent diabetes.  sad I do have high blood pressure, under control.  I don't want to go on any radical diets but I want to take 15 lbs off.  Does anyone out there think going to a dietician will help me tweak my diet or any books out there that I can buy that would help me out.  I am perfectly happy with my curves :-) but i sure don't want to get diabetes....help!! nono
 
tex-mex girl

4sons
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   Posted 1/21/2007 7:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm surprised with those numbers you are considered "pre-diabetic!" The new guidelines say any fasting level over 112 is a diagnosis of diabetes. I'm not sedentary or terribly overweight either ... and Type 2 runs in my family as well! It's small comfort but at least you don't go through the "beating yourself up" stage. I still do a tad, but not as bad as I used to. AND, I'm short! LOL. I've found the easiest way to lose weight is by cutting out those evil carbs! I'm 5'4" and weighed 145. I'm down to 138 lbs. now and have eight more to go. I can't believe that weighing less than that will really help me all that much! At 52 I'm not going weigh what I did in high school!!! LOL.

I'm waiting for my diabetes books to get here but someone on the forum recommended The First Year (or something like that) by a Gretchen someone. Geesh ... you'd think this has affected my brain. LOL. Anyways I'm sure someone else will pipe up ... I ordered mine at amazon.com waaaaay before Christmas but because it's free shipping they are waiting until the end of the Christmas "stuff" before sending it I guess!

So ... welcome to this board. There are lovely people here who will chime in with some really supportive advice!
Cheers -

Ruth/4sons

age 52/Type 2 diabetic/"controlled" by diet and exercise


Jeannie143
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   Posted 1/21/2007 8:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Tex-Mex,
Just keep on doing your best and take it as it comes. Whether or not you are going to dodge the bullet, your diet and activity level are great. Just keep on keepin' on. I've never heard of meds to prevent diabetes (but that doesn't prove anything!) I believe that your doc may just want to start you on some metformin, at a low dose, to help your body use its own insulin better. Do you have a blood testing kit? You should be checking your blood glucose every morning before coffee or food. Keep a journal. This is your best tool to keep track of your glucose levels.

The regulars have heard this before but I'll say it again for your benefit. It's all about the numbers, good low fasting numbers and great two hour post meal numbers. I don't care how you get them. Exercise, a great lean meat, veggie filled diet, some meds, insulin, prayers, VOODOO!!!! What ever it takes, just keep on getting those great numbers. High numbers or prolonged medium high numbers can cause untold damage and it's not fixable. I had neuropathy symptoms in my feet long before I was diagnosed because the diagnosis numbers in the US used to be fasting above 125. I was doing that for years and years!

How I wish there had been a cautious doctor like yours starting me on meds then... I wouldn't have beginning stage renal damage, eye changes or neuropathy in my feet.... I'd be soooooo much better off now. If I were in your shoes and someone offered me meds to help or just give me the choice of ignoring it and letting everything progress... Let's just say I hope you can benefit from my experience. If they give you meds, take them! The alternative is what I'm dealing with, which reminds me... time to go take my insulin.
~ Jeannie
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~Please remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class!
Yours may be one of them...

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tex-mex girl
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   Posted 1/22/2007 8:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the info ladies.  So do some people control their  diabetes with just diet and exercise?  and is it very hard to do?
 
A couple of years ago my fasting blood levels were 115 and I lost some weight and it came down to normal levels and stayed there.  I think that the weight has been creeping up slowly but surely. I think my doctor wants to give me the  option of losing weight to see if I can control it without meds.  He called my condition pre-diabetic.  He is one of the best cardiologist in the West Coast, and he is all about preventative meds for any condition. yeah
 
It is disappointing to me to see that all that gym going and exercise still aren't enough. Plus like I said before I am not considered fat.  sad
 
 I have never been on a diet tho because I try to eat healthy. 
 
Has anyone gone to a dietician to help them out? That is my next step so she can look at my diet and help me out with it. I already do tons of exercise so that is not a problem.
 
I appreciate any comments. 
Thanks,
Tex-Mex girl :-)
 
 
 

joules
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   Posted 1/22/2007 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tex-Mex Girl. I am also new to this board and getting my head around all the information. These are my observations so far about this cross we all have to bear..... I am not to consider it as going on a diet - cos this is a lifestyle change and diets (by definition) seem to imply a short term solution. I am under the scrutiny of a diabetic clinic and have to go for monthly check-ups. I find that most helpful as each time I gleam more information and the fact that I have to visit there puts some disclipline in my life. The dietician there does not approve of weight loss in excess of 2lbs a week. She is more concerned about the make-up of the food that I eat. It has to be balanced......... Mine includes all the food groups - but the portions I am allowed are a lot smaller than I am used to and snacks are important too. She gave me a meal plan...... Carb: 30g breakfast 15gm snack 45gm lunch 15gm snack 45 gm dinner and 30gm nighttime snack. Meat and alternatives: 6-7 portions per day and fats 5. I am also going on food course in a couple of weeks to understand the best combinations of food to eat because I understand it is not only what you eat but how you eat it that is important. I am 5.11, 56 years old and overweight. Since beginning of December, by following the instructions, I have managed to drop 15lbs. Exercise is important and I started off by just walking every day. Now that the weather has turned nasty this is no longer as practical so I have joined a circuit training establishment (hate it but know that it is exercise!!!!) By doing this I have dropped my blood sugars down from regularly 15-18 (not sure of the usa equivalent) to about 5-8 every day. I still have a ways to go but feel determined.......... This group helps a lot. When I feel it is all too much I just come here. My hubby is in excellent health and can eat what he wants!!!!!!!! Is there a diabetic clinic near where you live? They are very helpful.

frombc
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   Posted 1/22/2007 11:08 AM (GMT -7)   
by 4sons>>>I'm surprised with those numbers you are considered "pre-diabetic!" The new guidelines say any fasting level over 112 is a diagnosis of diabetes<<<.

According to the ADA a fasting of >100, <126 is considered pre-diabetes. Could you tell me where these new guidelines are? Thanks
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4sons
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   Posted 1/22/2007 11:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I'll go check and make sure I get my numbers right ...
 
 
"Normal people have fasting sugar levels that generally run between 70-110 mg/dl." This was a fasting level. According to them above 110 (I know I said 112) is a problem.
Cheers -

Ruth/4sons

age 52/Type 2 diabetic/"controlled" by diet and exercise

Post Edited (4sons) : 1/22/2007 11:46:45 AM (GMT-7)


frombc
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   Posted 1/22/2007 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ruth, Thanks for replying. According to that website, tex-mex girl would be considered to have "impaired fasting glucose" (aka pre-diabetes) not diabetes:

>>>>"Impaired Fasting Glucose
When a person has a fasting glucose equal to or greater than 110 and less than 126 mg/dl, they are said to have impaired fasting glucose. This is considered a risk factor for future diabetes, and will likely trigger another test in the future, but by itself, does not make the diagnosis of diabetes."

>>>>>"The "gold standard" for diagnosing diabetes is an elevated blood sugar level after an overnight fast (not eating anything after midnight). A value above 140 mg/dl on at least two occasions typically means a person has diabetes. Normal people have fasting sugar levels that generally run between 70-110 mg/dl."

According to that website you aren't diabetic until you've had a fasting level of 140. There seems to be a gap...what do they consider someone between 126 and 140?? I believe that standard was changed a few years ago to >125 being diabetic.

>>>>Jeannie 143 said: "I had neuropathy symptoms in my feet long before I was diagnosed because the diagnosis numbers in the US used to be fasting above 125. I was doing that for years and years!"

Do you mean you were diagnosed when fasting numbers 140 and above were considered diabetic (as quoted on that website)? I thought that as it stands now you are considered diabetic at >125. I'm trying to clarify the numbers in my own mind and some of these numbers seem conflicting to me. Thanks.
48 year old female
Dx'd with proctitis/proctosigmoiditis?? July/06
Asacol 7/day
Salofalk enemas 4(g) at bedtime
...Aloe
Vit B complex/folic acid
fish oil (pharmaceutical grade)
VSL#3


Warren
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   Posted 1/22/2007 1:14 PM (GMT -7)   

For all you newbies, sometimes Type 2 is just genetic and no matter how hard you try, you aren't going to dodge the bullet.  When I was diagnosed I was 5'10, 175 lbs. with an over all body fat of about 7%.  Needless to say, you don't get those numbers with any kind of a lifestyle that would be associated with diabetes. (incidently, my cholesterol and BP were normal at that time also).

So, as my Endo guy said, "If I'd just seen you walk into the office and did the standard tests, I wouldn't have dreamed you were diabetic".  Sometimes, its just genetic!!!

scool Warren

tex-mex girl
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   Posted 1/22/2007 4:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Warren,
That is true that it is genetic but for some of us it has to do with height, weight, lifestyle and age. My mom was diagnosed later on in life but she was overweight and her diet wasn't healthy nor did she ever get on a treadmill or lift weights. I think my doctor wants to give me the chance to lose some weight and see what happens before he puts me on meds and I really want to give myself the chance too. I already do all the other good stuff, like exercise, eat well. I do want to consult a dietitcian because I may think I am eating the right things but maybe I am not....
For me anyway...I am 59 yrs old and am in good health excpet that my numbers are creeping up and I am carrying a little extra weight...if you saw me you would say I am not fat but to make my numbers better I was told to lose weight...to see if that is my problem...if I can't dodge the bullet then I have to live with it...it is what it is..like they say.

Thanks for all your advice,
Tex-mex girl

LanieG
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   Posted 1/22/2007 7:07 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Tex-Mex girl, you'll find a lot of information when you read through these forum subjects (Scroll back over past postings.) and of course from your own doctor and a nutritionist is you're referred to one.  Several of us here on the forum are not on any meds and have been called 'pre-diabetic' or 'insulin resistant' because our blood sugar readings haven't been consistantly high enough to go on meds.  However, you'll also find that some doctors are more aggressive than others in wanting to bring numbers down by any means.  Keep in mind that everyone might be at a different stage of diabetes and our bodies react differently to different foods.  That's why it's a very good idea to have your own blood sugar meter to monitor your readings and a food diary so you will know what gives you good readings or bad.  Again, you need to talk this over with a doctor.  So, having said all that, what works for me are the following: 1) I don't eat carbs.  No bread, no cereals, no rice or potatoes or anything with sugar or white flour.  I get carbs from vegetables, beans and low-fat yogurt.  2) Small portions at meals but in between times I have little snacks of nuts, several spoons of the yogurt, low-fat mozzarella cheese sticks or a lettuce 'wrap' with Canadian bacon.  3)  exercise.  Once in a while, however, I eat a slice of whole grain bread with Canadian bacon or natural peanut butter - though even that will raise my readings after 2 hours.  You might be able to eat food others can't eat and vice versa - you have to find what works for you at this point.  It sounds like you are doing really well in the exercise, so maybe you can bring the numbers down by changing some of your diet and also reducing the size of the meal portions.  Good luck! 

Lanie     :-)

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