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Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/16/2007 7:48 PM (GMT -7)   
I was looking up the food value of avocados when I saw a link to a government food guide and you know how it goes... You're just clicking along on some links that look interesting and BAM!!!

I had wandered into a goldmine of diabetes info. So I gots to share, right?

The first one is Food and Nutrition Center of the FDA They have instructional materials and all the stuff that newbies need to know. Free information.

The next one is The National Institute of Health's Introduction to Diabetes Tons of great links and free information.

And the last one is some online interactive classes sponsored by the Joslin Diabetes Center which is affiliated with Harvard Medical School.

Wonderful information at your fingertips! tongue Gotta love the internet!
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
~Please remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class! Yours may be one of them...
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Phishbowl
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   Posted 6/17/2007 8:40 AM (GMT -7)   
You're a wealth of information, Jeannie! Thanks once again :-)

Kris
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
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Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/19/2007 6:38 PM (GMT -7)   
bump for the newbies
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
~Please remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class! Yours may be one of them...
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"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."
- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


carokaye
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   Posted 6/22/2007 6:52 AM (GMT -7)   

Jeannie, Thanks for this wonderful info. I have bookmarked it and plan to really delve into it this weekend. I'm a newbie here, just joined this morning.

Caro


Jeannie143
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   Posted 6/22/2007 8:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Welcome Caro,
Always glad to make a new friend... but not for the reason of diabetes. We all encourage each other to treat the straight and narrow here and KOKO (Keep on keepin' on!) Glad I could be of service.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
~Please remember that 50% of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class! Yours may be one of them...
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"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."
- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 2/4/2008 12:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi...Thank you for the info. It's always cool to look at these. BUT I'm going to open the old "Sugar Levels" can of worms. I'm sorry...but no one's ever explained why the National Institute For Health and the American Diabetes Asociation each have acceptable levels much higher than accepted here by a lot of you folk??? Are they wrong???

I can stay within their guidelines and feel good about myself. But when I go by the standards mentioned here I stuggle and get frustrated half the time. HOWEVER I LOVE coming here for the advice etc but I always have that "feeling of inadaquacy" in the back of my mind because here I don't measure up. I come close but...then I'm a frustrated carcastic sourpuss , a scared little rabbit, or I choose not to care.

Why are there SO MANY CONTRASTING OPINIONS? If the ADA isn't the leader we follow, who is the DIABETES GOD WHO HOLDS THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH that we can follow with confidence? I don't like this feeling of failing here (not literally here at Healing Well) but doing great there.

Besides saying the vague "My doctor says..." where are these "most every reading needs to be under 100" standards coming from?

I'd LIKE to be "GOOD" and feel good about myself. I'm sorry for being cynical but where's the "solid bottom line"?

Or is there one???

Is there anyone else who's in this boat with me??? Are we all walking on a foundation of Jello? IS THERE A SOLID ROCK TO STAND ON??? Shifting sand sucks!

I hope I don't get yelled at for stiring anything up but I REALLY wanna know. Thank you for your response.

Sherrine
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   Posted 2/4/2008 3:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, A.F.  I don't have the success that others on here have.  My numbers stay within the Diabetic Association's range and my bloodwork has always come back in the 5-6 point range.  (Depends on how much I cheat!  ;-)  I've been a diabetic for 16 years and I don't have any of the horrible side affects connected with diabetes.  My previous doctor specialized in diabetes and he was happy with my numbers.  He now is doing medical research at our medical school here in Florida.  I think everyone is different because of what and how much we eat, how much we exercise, our weight, etc. 
 
Many are having success keeping the numbers really low and I'm thrilled for them.  I've tried it and mine are close but just don't cut it but, I don't lose sleep over it too.  I do want to mention that I eat a little more carbs than many on this site so my numbers will run a little higher.  With the helpful hints I learned on this forum, I'm able to cut out even more carbs and I'll be anxious to see what my numbers will be next time.  I've also lost weight with the food info I've learned here. 
 
It sounds like you are stressing yourself so much about this and the stress will raise your blood sugar, too.  Are you diabetic or do  you think you may be pre-diabetic?  Have you talked to  your doctor about it?  If not, that's where I would suggest you start.  But, try to relax about it.  Remember, we are not doctors.  We just share what helps us.  Have a good day.
 
Sherrine  


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Post Edited (Sherrine) : 2/4/2008 4:24:00 PM (GMT-7)


ceebee
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   Posted 2/4/2008 4:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Jeannie. I need all the help I can get:)

Sherrine
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   Posted 2/4/2008 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, a big thank you for this information.  I bookmarked it.
 
Sherrine
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Fibromyalgia, Crohn's Disease, Ostomy, Diabetes, Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease, Osteoporosis
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God does not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.    2 Timothy 1:7


gelchick
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   Posted 2/4/2008 4:24 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Diane,

The standards set by the ADA and the ACE are moving targets at best- an A1c of 7.0 means that your average blood sugar level is around 150. It used to be higher. A person who does not have diabetes has an average blood sugar level of between 70 and 90, and an A1c around 4.6.

The human body works best when you maintain your blood sugar level as close to physiologically normal as possible. It functions under poor conditions- but eventually, it will fail to thrive. Think of it like a plant- you can neglect it - sometimes for a long time- and it will continue to exist- but eventually, it dies, so will you -if you fail to manage your sugar levels.

I have asked medical professionals why they don't advocate lower A1c levels, low carb eating, and as much exercise as possible as strongly as they advocate taking multiple drugs. I have been told that most medical professionals believe that a patient will NOT do those things, and that it takes a long time for complications to develop at those levels- by the time the complications start up- you're either too old to care- or dead. Nice, huh? But wrong- we all know people who already have complications at diagnosis- and nobody knows how much of that damage can be fixed- or slowed down. We are living a lot longer than any other generation of diabetics- NOBODY REALLY knows what our futures will hold.

My eye doctor has told me that she routinely sees retinopathy in people who are prediabetic- with average blood sugars in the 110-120 range. That tells me the results of the DCCT and other studies are not really accurate.

One thing I know for sure- people who have blood sugar levels in the normal range DO NOT get retinopathy or any other complication of diabetes- therefore I find (for myself) that the only acceptable blood sugar level is as close to the normal range as I can achieve and maintain. It gives me the best chance for a comfortable life.

My doctor is now trying to move all of her diabetic patients to A1c levels of 5.5 or less if they can do it without lows, or large swings in their daily readings.

Did I confuse you even more? I hope not.

sandy


I just want to live happily ever after-every now and then. Jimmy Buffett


fergusc
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   Posted 2/5/2008 4:08 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Diane,

Sandy has saved me valuable posting time by hitting the nail right on the head.

An as-near-to-normal-as-possible blood sugar is the best long term health insurance policy going. The reason the ADA, CDA and DUK don't recommend it is because they recommend a high carbohydrate diet which makes normal blood sugar levels virtually impossible. Rather than recognise that their dietary advice is misguided, they take the other option and promote harmful blood sugar levels instead. Genius!

All the best,

fergusc


Jeannie143
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   Posted 2/5/2008 6:35 PM (GMT -7)   
A.F.MomDiane said...
I'm sorry...but no one's ever explained why the National Institute For Health and the American Diabetes Asociation each have acceptable levels much higher than accepted here by a lot of you folk??? Are they wrong???

I can stay within their guidelines and feel good about myself. But when I go by the standards mentioned here I stuggle and get frustrated half the time. ..I always have that "feeling of inadaquacy" in the back of my mind because here I don't measure up. I come close but...then I'm a frustrated carcastic sourpuss , a scared little rabbit, or I choose not to care.


Diane,
It definitely is not our intention to make you feel like you don't measure up or your numbers are 'bad'. To me, having diabetes is a lot like driving a car. We all have seen terrible drivers and aren't surprised when they have accidents (or get themselves killed!) They weren't paying attention or didn't keep their cars brakes or fluid levels in good condition. In a way, they bring disaster on themselves. People who don't follow their food plan, never get their labs done, don't check their morning sugars or never get an eye exam fall into this category. By the time they figure it all out the disaster has already happened.

Then there are the 'safe' drivers who drive so slowly and carefully that they have trouble getting anywhere... It's just easier for them to stay home. These are people who are so regimented in their food plan and lifestyle that they can't let go for a minute to have a good time at their daughter's wedding or take a chance and taste their grandson's attempt at Christmas cookies. Their fear of mistakes makes their lives no fun.

Then there are peeps like me, rolling on down the road, trying to keep it between the lines and under the speed limit. Occasionally I'll have a flat tire because I forgot to check them, but then I'll go and buy an entirely new set of tires, figuring that they are all the same age. I don't always get my food plan and exercise regimen exactly right but I try to make up for it by learning better ways to get to the same end.

And the more educated I become about the effects of diabetes on the human body the more I want to keep my sugars in line with a lower starch food plan. There is more to this disease than just high blood glucose. There are studies showing vascular changes in people who maintain good numbers with meds. There are studies showing problems in ligaments and tendons specific to diabetics even while they keep the numbers inline with meds. And there are very few studies showing good results for people who go to the basis of the problem, lowering the need for meds by not consuming the carbs. This is because, for some reason, nobody ever asked diabetics to do this. (DUH!)

We still run into people who have been told by their doctors to avoid sugar, so they eat sugar-free cookies made with another form of sweetener and flour. For the carbs involved they would be better off eating one real cookie! And I can't really fault the doctors on this just now because they only spend about one week of their entire medical training on nutrition. They believe the dietitians are the ones with the credentials about food plans and refer us to them. But much of the dietitian's training is based on government recommendations ....

UNFORTUNATELY the entire food 'agribusiness' industry is politically motivated to drive the consumers to consume what makes the most money for the food business. There are big lobbies for the milk, corn growers, wheat farmers and others who influence what the government tells us we should consume. I imagine if cocoa beans were grown in the U.S. mainland we would be prodded to eat chocolate every day! And although there are milk subsidies for dairy farmers so they can be paid well for their milk nobody ever helped out the squash farmers when there was a squash blight a few years ago. So to answer your question about if the ADA guidelines are wrong, in my opinion, yes, they are wrong. I spent over 10 years of my life beating myself up over high sugars and eventually had to start insulin when I should have listened to my new doctor and started on the South Beach diet. (It's a modified low carb food plan.)

Sorry to be on such a rant here, but if you want to find a rock solid line of numbers to follow grab your hubby or one of your kids and test their sugars in the morning, before a meal and two hours after dinner. If they are a normal then those are the kinds of numbers you want to emulate. If you need meds, food plan changes, exercise and/ or have to do the hokey pokey to get those kinds of numbers, THAT'S where you want to be.
~ Jeannie, Forum Moderator/Diabetes & Fibromyalgia
I know God will not give me anything I can't handle. I just wish that He didn't trust me so much. ~Mother Teresa

"People are like stained glass windows: They sparkle and shine when the sun's out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is light within."- Elizabeth Kubler-Ross


Sherrine
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   Posted 2/6/2008 12:01 PM (GMT -7)   
This was a wonderful analogy, Jeannie and a great explanation.  I've cut out most of the carbs now and have lost five pounds in the last two weeks!  I can't tell about my blood sugars because I have a cold and they are very high right now.  I'll let you folks know when things settle down.
 
Sherrine
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Fibromyalgia, Crohn's Disease, Ostomy, Diabetes, Autoimmune Inner Ear Disease, Osteoporosis
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God does not give us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.    2 Timothy 1:7


A.F.MomDiane
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   Posted 2/6/2008 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for the good advice. A lot to take in! My head just kind of spins as I read. I'll go back and "chew on it" until it sinks in.

This is just so frustrating, this goofy disease. It would be so much easier if it were all in black and white and more consistant and preditable...drives me crazy. My ex also has Diabetes and thinks he doesn't have to check his blood sugars because he's "under control". This he says while drinking regular coke and having Lasagna for dinner!! HA!!! (What an idiot.) And I struggle and stress.

I'm trying to get back on that wagon and have consistant "good" numbers. But my blood is not cooperating.

I doubt I could get ANY of my kids to vounteer for a "STABBING!!!" aka finger prick LOL. I've tried it before and you'd think I were coming at them in a hockey mask with a rusty butcher knife! But it's a good suggestion!! Makes sense! Non-D's are terrified by our tiny weapons of pain! Know what I mean?? Good grief...cowards, I'm surrounded by cowards!! Even my own Dad won't do it and he's pre-diabetic!! Drives my mom crazy.
But that's another post....He says "why would I choose to hurt myself?" What's up with that??? I come from a strange family.

I just got on a new health plan so I guess I'll call and get things set up to see who my new doctor is.
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