Can anyone give me some advice on the Insulin Pump

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Stmll
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   Posted 8/31/2007 11:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi All,
 
I usually hang out in the chronic pain, but I have a question, my Brother is a Diabetic, he takes approx 8 needles a day and he has asked me to help him out with a Pain Pump, What he is looking for is a pump that will read read his sugar automaticaly, and dispense the appropriate insulin, he is sugar is way out of control, last week his monitor could not even read his level, so it was over 30, as that is how high his meter reads, So if any of you know of a meter that is kind of a all in 1, where will it give a steady supply of insulin, and when his sugar gets too high or too low the pump will automatically know and dispense please let me know, also we live in Ontario Canada, but his father inlaw has a daughter in Arizona, that could pick up and ship to him, Take Care all,I know how awful this disease can get, this is why I want to buy my brother a pump so he can not have so many ups and downs with his Diabetes.
 
Thanks
Tracey

DX; Loin Pain Hematuria Syndrome, A Very Rare Painful Kidney Disease,No Cure for this disease at this time, only thing is to Control Pain,
RX, Fentanyl Patch,Amitriplyne, Morphine 


LanieG
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   Posted 8/31/2007 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Tracey, welcome over to this side of the Forum.  There are a few members on the insulin pump and hopefully they'll be along to read your post and give some of their advice.   In the meantime, here's a website that says it compares different pumps.  There are probably several other brands besides these, too., so you could google to see.   I don't know if they automatically dispense according to readings or if they're only preprogrammed.  I would imagine that your brother would need a prescription.  I hope something works out for him.

Lanie

www.diabetesnet.com/insulin_pump_models.html

 

 


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Pin Cushion
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   Posted 8/31/2007 7:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Insulin pumps don't read BGL and then dispense. He would still have to test his BGL and adjust the bolus rate the pump puts out. It takes a while but from what I have heard from people who are using them it is worth it.
I don't have a pump yet. But if SSD gets off their butts and approves me it is going to be one of the first things I buy.
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Stmll
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   Posted 8/31/2007 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   

HI,Thanks for the welcome, another question I had, ok so I but a pump for my brother, now how long is that pump guranteed for, and lets say it is guarented for 5 years and it dies at 6 years, now do I have to buy another pump for $5,000.00 to $6,000.00 again in 5 to 6 years? I have no idea how any of this works, I just know that my brother is very sick, and this would help him out alot, any and all info  would be appreiated, Also thanks Lanie for website info..

Take Care

Tracey


DX; Loin Pain Hematuria Syndrome, A Very Rare Painful Kidney Disease,No Cure for this disease at this time, only thing is to Control Pain,
RX, Fentanyl Patch,Amitriplyne, Morphine 


LanieG
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   Posted 8/31/2007 7:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tracey, I think it depends on the agreement you have with the manufacturer/supplier at the time of sale.  If it's through insurance, that's another matter.  I question if you can buy it without a doctor's prescription though.  Would your brother's doctor be able to do that? 

Lanie
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"pre-diabetic" controlled so far by diet and exercise
following low/no carb diet, no meds


Stmll
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   Posted 9/4/2007 4:46 AM (GMT -7)   

oh for sure his Dr. would, my brothers is right out of control, insurance does not cover, I would be buying it for him, but not sure which would be the best, the best warranty ect... and was hoping there was one out there that would read BG and then just dispense..

Thanks for input

Tracey


DX; Loin Pain Hematuria Syndrome, A Very Rare Painful Kidney Disease,No Cure for this disease at this time, only thing is to Control Pain,
RX, Fentanyl Patch,Amitriplyne, Morphine 


Phishbowl
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   Posted 9/4/2007 6:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Stmll... here is the URL for Canadian insulin pumpers (hope it's OK to post - it's an information site not selling goods):

http://www.insulin-pumpers.ca/

It's a good site to read through for those considering the pump. If you scroll down a bit and click on the Ontario Provincial flag on the left, you'll get to some Ontario-specific info about the pump and pump therapy, as well as some great info on the kinds of financial assisstance available.

Some things to keep in mind though... the pump is intensive therapy: an assessment will be required to determine whether or not your brother will be committed to understanding and following the rules and regimen of being hooked-up to a machine 24x7. The pump will give a Diabetic the best glucose control available to date BUT, it WILL NOT automatically do insulin administration for you - we're not that far along yet. That is why it is soooo important to understand how to work the machine (pump), how to count carbs, how to troubleshoot technical issues and more.

Your brother's doctor is the best place to start with getting the process rolling. It is a process, too. You can't just buy a pump and hook yourself up. A doctor (preferably a specialist, an Endo), has to be responsible for your care when they're administering medicine (insulin). Going on the pump is also a commitment - a big one. It is an intensive therapy (meaning you're always "on" and aware of how to regulate your insulin management at all times) and the pump never absolves you of being responsible for taking care of yourself.

I'm going into a bit of detail about the commitment required before a doctor will prescribe the pump because I'm concerned when you say that your brother's levels are way outta control even though he takes 8 or more shots/day. With that many shots/day (assuming some might even be "correction" shots), his meter should not be reading those kinds of numbers. He's either: 1) not in control, 2) has an old and/or damaged meter, 3) or needs some more committed care in working with a diabetic team (Endo, Dietician, Diabetes Educator) to improve his control.

Long story short, your brother needs to start the pump discussion rolling with his current doc, can't do it without him.

Bless your heart for wanting to help your brother by taking on such a financial commitment (the pump is about $7,200 for a current one and about $250-$300/month for pump supplies, insulin is extra and any extra pump "bells & whistles" are extra, too).

Good luck and take care!
Cheers,
- Phishbowl (Type 1 since Jan'05 - Levemir, NovoRapid)
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AMM
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   Posted 9/10/2007 4:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I have been on an insulin pump for 9 months now.  It has been the best thing ever for me, BUT it is VERY intensive and expensive.  My insurance covers it so that is very good for me.  However, the pump itself costs generally anywhere from $6,000 to $10,000.  Supplies can be as much as $1,000 a month depending on how often you test, how much insulin you use and the type of insulin and how often you change the infusion set.  You MUST test your blood sugar often.  For me that means 8 to 10 times a day.  There is no closed loop insulin pump yet. (that measures your blood sugar and gives appropriate insulin)  There is a continuous glucose monitor but it isn't the same thing and it isn't 100% reliable.  It is better for detecting trends and alerting you to highs and lows for people who are unaware of hypos.  Even with these you still have to fingerstick.  Continuous glucose monitors cost about $1,000 and the sensors cost about $35 each and are changed every 3 days or so.  Pumps are generally warranteed for about 4 years.  Most manufacturers have some sort of trade in agreement.  Also it is highly unlikely that a pump manufacturer will just sell you a pump without going through doctor.  They have to be prescribed.  It is possible to get a pump covered in Canada if you meet the criteria.  The website given to you for pumpers is an excellent one.  Your brother needs to discuss this in depth with his doctor.  He might also want to call one of the pump companies and speak to someone there to see if he is a candidate.  The pump companies are very experienced with getting pumps covered. 

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Jeannie143
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   Posted 9/10/2007 8:28 AM (GMT -7)   
AMM,
did you see my post about the vitamin cocktail?
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AMM
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   Posted 9/10/2007 12:53 PM (GMT -7)   
yes. I did. Just didn't have time to reply after I replied here because today was Amanda's first diabetes clinic visit.
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