Jeannie, you mentioned fall and depression

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Marlee2
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   Posted 9/4/2008 2:50 PM (GMT -7)   
I've already started this myself and it's only Sept and not bad here. Every year gets worse for me and I can't stand it. It's getting dark at 7:30 now and when the time changes it will be even worse.
 
Hmmm, if it is dark in the winter in Alaska where would it be light in the winter that we could go, somewhere warm I hope???
 
It didn't use to bother me when I was younger but I had more serontonin then.
 
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   Posted 9/4/2008 3:09 PM (GMT -7)   

Marlee, How funny - I was just thinking about this before I came on. I was ok till last wk in Aug, then I started to think about how autumn was coming and the days will be shorter soon. I just got so darn depressed. My mood has been off and that is the reason. I always would get upset as the time for school to reopen was getting closer. Either I was the student or teacher or my children would be going back. I would feel like I was sinking and couldn't shake it off.

My DH loves the autumn and winter and can't understand how this bothers me. Right now it is hi '80's and sunny outside, yet my brain is still focusing on the change coming. I think we should all stand next to Jeannie's and her light box. Just a few hundred of her closest friends in her living room. lol

On the bright side, only 6 1/2 months till spring. Ughh.

God bless.  Alice.


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   Posted 9/4/2008 3:36 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Marlee & Irish Babe!

Y'all come on down to southern Texas now, ya' hear. The days will still be getting shorter but you won't notice any significant change in temperatures or leaf colors until........maybe.......around LATE October! I've been here all my life but would gladly trade it for someplace with FOUR seasons! I'm also a night person shocked so shorter days really never bothered me! tongue  

Longing for Spring huh.......it starts around mid February here as long as there are no surprise freezes/frosts to freak out nature!

I know, what a wacko, huh? turn

Gentle hugs,

John


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   Posted 9/4/2008 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
I kind of like this time of year. Autumn always brings me memories. I don't know why but it just does.

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RedDiane
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   Posted 9/4/2008 8:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Marlee and Alice, You might want to see about getting one of those light boxes, they supposedly do help. I don't have one, but I am going to Florida in Oct. and I might just stay with Sherrine until May. LOL!! Bet that scared her!! smhair I know you like living where you are so the light boxes might help. I'm checking out real estate next month. Diane
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   Posted 9/5/2008 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
I love fall, but yes, the shorter days do get to me. In the summer, it feels like there is so much more time. In the winter I try to have the kids' bathed by 6:30, it feels so late with it dark by 5. I loved when we lived in Thunder Bay, we were close to the time line. It was dark in the mornings, even when ds took the school bus, but it stayed light later, it was so nice to eat supper in daylight! Luckily, by January the days are getting longer again, so it's bearable. Otherwise I couldn't handle lack of light and cabin fever too! lol
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   Posted 9/5/2008 8:12 AM (GMT -7)   
I am a spring and summer person and tend to get the depression more in the winter too. But, I do love all the trees changing and the house smelling like apple pie. Also the anticipation of the christmas tree. I don't like the stress from christmas but I love all the lights and pretty decorations. When it gets dark early I tend to spend more time in the kitchen and just cook a lot.
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   Posted 9/5/2008 8:22 AM (GMT -7)   
I have Seasonal Affected Disorder (S.A.D.) which my doctor diagnosed after several autumns of depression and then asking me if I just wanted to eat a big bowl of pasta and climb in a hole. I was like, "YEAH! THAT'S it!" She understood it well because she has it. Apparently it's a left over semi-hibernation response to the shorter daylight of winter. If you are of northern European ancestry your ice age ancestors used to gather grains at harvest for getting through the long winter months. Increased grain in the diet increases serotonin levels. Serotonin is a brain chemical that is necessary in the regulation of mood, pain perception and circadian rhythms (our sleep cycles).

It was more energy efficient to stay in the cave by the fire, make "porridge" and doze through the long winter months than it was to gamble wasting calories on hunting in the snow. If the hunt was unsuccessful you had a calorie deficit and this could lead to starvation. Because autumn was the only time an abundance of starchy grains was available our bodies eventually used this elevated serotonin/lowered sunlight level to trigger the semi-hibernation response. By increasing the amount of light that hits the pineal gland through our eyes we can alter the seasons in our brains.

I use a "Happy Lite" by Veralux in my bakery and in the office when I'm working. I've also noticed that over the years I have put in bay windows and sliding glass doors, removed window treatments, painted all of my walls in light colors and generally done everything I could to bring light into my living space. I find skylights joyful to see, even though I don't have any.

Increased mild exercise, especially out of doors will help with S.A.D. as will some SSRI meds such as prozac, zoloft, wellbutrin, etc. You don't need a prescription to buy a S.A.D. light and using it in your office or kitchen a few hours a day may help with autumn depression. When I started my treatments my doctor had me on four hours a day. Now if I use the light regularly I can get by on about a half hour to an hour a day. If I don't use it I notice I become more lethargic and can barely resist the carbs I really don't need for my diabetes. I've found some links that may help you understand this better.
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Marlee2
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   Posted 9/5/2008 8:54 AM (GMT -7)   
Okay John I will make a deal with you and swap houses for the winter. You can enjoy all the cold and snow you want til your little heart is content. I must warn you that along with my house comes my crazy family and you never know what's going to happen next with them.
 
Can't say I love the heat of Texas in the summer but why oh why did I ever come back here. If we would have stayed in Killeen that is where my sons and grandchildren would be and I wouldn't be in this godforsaken place.
 
Alice, that is kinda the problem, it's 6 1/2 months til spring. cry
 
Jeannie, I do have skylights and it doesn't help. It still gets dark and cold.
 
I crave carbs all year long but I really crave them in the fall so I must have the cavewoman gene. Leave it be Sherrine devil
 
I will look into the light boxes. I have all kinds of projects to keep me busy this winter but I still hate the cold and darkness.
 
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   Posted 9/5/2008 9:42 AM (GMT -7)   

Marlee-

I'm so with you on this one! I have been thinking the same thing. Oh No, here comes winter!! I almost panic! It is getting dark here at 7:30 too and all that it tells me is that we are losing daylight hours fast.

I have SAD and use a light box. In fact I used it most of the summer because I did not get out enough in the sun. It does HELP. So please look into this. The psychologist that diagnosed my SAD, prescribed this light box to me and the bulbs have lasted forever. I have not been back to him in years and I don't know if he is even around anymore. One of these days one of the bulbs are going to burn out and I will have no idea where to get them. Maybe the internet.

I am going to do everything possible to get to Florida and see my girlfriend this winter, because I don't function well here in the winters. And this will be my first winter with fibro.
 
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Marlee2
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   Posted 9/5/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
GamJill, last year I knew we were going to NC in Feb so that helped knowing I was getting a way for a couple of weeks. Maybe that is what we need to do this winter is plan a vacation in late Jan to break up the winter. Great idea. smilewinkgrin
 
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