Calcium with malic acid?

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Kythe
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   Posted 9/7/2008 5:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok I've seen it mentioned a few times that you should take extra calcium with the malic acid supplements. However, no one has explained why this is necessary or how much calcium you should take. I'm also wondering why, if the calcium is so important, they don't just put it in the malic acid supplements?(Doesn't expect anyone to be able to answer this last one.)
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   Posted 9/7/2008 5:31 PM (GMT -7)   
I've read in many places that you shouldn't take calcium and magnesium together as it inhibits the absorbtion - yet they are sold in combo pills.

I take my calcium at a different time than my mag/malic acid.

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   Posted 9/7/2008 5:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Well if it inhibits the absorption, then maybe I should take it at the same time I take the malic acid since I seem to be very sensitive to the magnesium and haven't gone a day without having diarrhea since I started taking it even with only starting with one pill a day.

Still hoping to hear from others though on why you're supposed to take the calcium with the malic acid and how much you should take.
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Sherrine
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   Posted 9/8/2008 10:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Kythe, they balance ne another in the body.  I take 1,200 mg of calcium, but I also have osteoporosis.  You could probably take 600 mg. of calcium with D. 
 
Here is a site that explains it better.
 
 
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Kythe
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   Posted 9/8/2008 4:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Hmm well I guess I don't really need to worry about it then I've got calcium and vitamin D in my multivitamin. I just thought that maybe I needed to take an excess amount, but I guess this isn't the case.
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   Posted 9/8/2008 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Just make sure that you are getting enough. I take 2,000 iu of vite D each day and it really helps me to feel better.

Good luck

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Kythe
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   Posted 9/11/2008 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Well the last couple of days I took 1000mg of Calcium in the form of Tums along with the malic acid, and guess what? It finally looks like the diarrhea is starting to go away. If things go good for a couple more days, then I might try increasing to a 2nd pill a day.
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Sherrine
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   Posted 9/11/2008 12:17 PM (GMT -7)   
This is good news!
 
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   Posted 9/7/2014 12:33 AM (GMT -7)   
I took one capsule of malic acid (800mg) every other day and had to stop. It not only gave me diarrhea but I can't get rid of it even after being off the malic acid for 3 weeks. It may have damaged the lining of my intestines. BTW- I used the malic acid in a paste (mixed with a few drops of water) on a small benign tumor on my leg. It burned the top of the tumor right off and I accomplished what I intended which was to get rid of it at it's surface so it wouldn't bleed when I accidentally shaved over it. My point is that malic acid is very strong! Calcium may be just a temporary solution. BTW- Tums is not the best form of calcium. I've discovered that Calcium carbonate can lead to oxalate stones in various parts of the body. Calcium citrate might be a better source.

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   Posted 9/7/2014 1:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi, Gems, and welcome! You took too much at one time! Magnesium can cause diarrhea and you need to start out slowly and let your body get used to it. I have Crohn's disease and don't have a problem digesting this. I also take magnesium malate which has less chance of giving you diarrhea. I take three capsules in the morning and three in the evening before meals and my total amount for the day is equivalent to 433 mg of magnesium and 2.5 grams of malic acid. That about half of what you took. Too much of a good thing can be bad.

The magnesium malate has helped me a lot. If you go into Fibro 101...the first thread on the forum...there is a link all about magnesium malate and how it works in your body. All of Fibro 101 is good so do read it.

Also, why don't you do an introductory post. That will help members know you are here. You can get lost when first coming on in the middle of a thread.

I'm looking forward to getting to know you better. Don't hesitate to ask questions because we are here to help you. Hope to hear more from you soon.

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Post Edited (Sherrine) : 9/7/2014 2:34:11 AM (GMT-6)


Loring
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   Posted 9/10/2014 11:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Everyone:

I have not tried malic acid or magnesium malate yet. I do use magnesium glycinate and at bedtime now a product called magnesium calm. I do find that magnesium helps my stomach. I have I.B. and go up and down with problems. Nortriptyline may contribute to constipation. I don't wish to give Nortriptyline up. My Doctor said to try the Magnesium Calm at bedtime. I have just over a month stopped using Losec/Omeprazole. I was having so much stomach trouble this year. I discussed stopping its use with my Doctors. Losec/Omeprazole reduces acidity. It can cause side effects when used long term. Two potential side effects were - risk of fractures and bacterial infections. One bit of info linked it to C. Diff - something that I have had. When you have I.B. you often have trouble with gas. It is so embarrassing and you have little control. I am hoping that my stomach will be able to adjust itself, acid wise, in time. You can get malic acid from apples or apple juice so maybe an apple a day is not bad idea. I will ask my Doctor about using magnesium malate when my glycinate is finished.

I think some supplements, if your body has enough of it, can cause diarrhea. I have found it with Vitamin C once. Had a hard time feeling better after a virus and I was ingesting rolls of vitamin C drops. Eventually, it caused diarrhea and I stopped eating them and began to fell well. I now take 1,000 mg of Vitamin C a day. I do take 4,000 mg of Vitamin D a day and there is some in a multi-vitamin. I take an Omega 3, CoQ10 and Plant Sterols. This has gotten my cholesterol under control.

I am a little bit unsure of the Calcium. I was for years taking supplements to get 1,500 mg a day. A couple years ago I was told to reduce it to 1,200 mg a day. You do have to factor in calcium you get in foods and supplements. I have now been told that I should try to get all my calcium from food sources. I was told that I can take a calcium supplement or the multi-vitamin. I chose the multi-vitamin. I became lactose intolerant with the C. Diff infection and I still am. I can now eat yogurt. I drink almond milk. I eat almonds, broccoli and canned salmon with bones. I am really not sure if I am taking enough. My body does have calcium deposits. I can only hope that if it needs more that it uses the deposits.

Thanks for sharing. It is good to know how other people manage.

Loring

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Post Edited (Loring) : 9/10/2014 12:49:45 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 9/10/2014 1:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Loring, I took omeprazole for 7 years and ended up with osteoporosis. So I do take calcium....Citracal. It's easily absorbed. I have Crohn's disease so do have to think about these things, too. My doctor switched me to prescription strength Pepcid AC. It's not a PPI like omeprazole.

I also take coQ10, krill oil as my source of Omega 3. Regular fish oil caused diarrhea in me but krill oil is fine.

Have you tried GasX? I buy the extra strength ones and I think you can take up to four a day. My doctor said they were fine. So if I eat foods like broccoli, onions and such that cause gas, I will take one of thes and it pretty much dissapates.

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Loring
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   Posted 9/11/2014 7:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sherrine:

I think my stomach is improving some. Not quite so much gas but thanks for the suggestion. It is so embarrassing. Have passed gas at two different Doctor's offices. I know they heard me but I just pretended that nothing happened. I wrote a long story about being a C.Diff survivor in the other board. The Gastroenterologist told me that my colitis might be indicative of Crohn's disease but thankfully not. I have had I.B. my whole life.

Thanks.

Loring
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