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kelly71
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   Posted 11/3/2008 7:19 AM (GMT -7)   
OK, so I have an Rx for Klonopin, 1mg twice daily.  I have only been taking 1mg once a day-at night, but yesterday, I had horrible anxiety. sad   So, I took the dose I am supposed to take-1mg twice daily.  Anyway, I didn't sleep great (as usual), but when I got up this AM, I noticed that my muscles are a bit looser than usual.  And looser muscles=less pain for me=a very good thing! smilewinkgrin
 
I know Klonopin is for anxiety, but does it work as a sort of muscle relaxer, too?  I guess that makes sense-the less anxious I am, the more relaxed I become.  I'm gonna take it twice again today and see if I still feel better, tomorrow.
 
Any comments? smhair
FINALLY dxd on 06/13/08
Vicodin, Neurontin, Ibuprofen for pain-which doesn't help, BTW
Zoloft & methadone (NOT for pain) for sanity-which doesn't help, BTW
Klonopin for anxiety (Guess what?  Doesn't help!)
Chantix to try to quit smoking (started 08/20/08)
 
"I'll take the Chivas instead"
-Kelly Clarkson


tyno3
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   Posted 11/3/2008 8:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey kelly, I was taking Klonipin .5 mgs. up to 3 times a day, but always at bedtime. I don't think I noticed any appreciable effect, muscle wise. However, my pdoc switched me to Diazapam (Valium) 5 mg. at bedtime, and cancelled the Klonipin. I discovered a big change in my muscle pain and stiffness, in the morning. However, he also cut me back from 3 tablets a day to 1 at bedtime. Now I have no way to deal with my horrible anxiety and panic attacks. This is a real problem because, I take care of my dad who has alzheimers and there's no relief, and occasionally things get really hairy and scarey here and sometimes I get so there's a tighness in my chest, like an elephant is sitting on it, I get dizzy, confused and really scared. That is when I would take a daytime dose of whichever anti-anxiety meds I had prescribed. I guess my pdoc has never suffered from anxiety, or he just doesn't like me because I feel like I'm being punished. I do know, he scoffs at Fibromyalgia, says I just need to learn coping skills. If only he knew what I cope with. I have lived in a tent for months, lived out of my car for a long time, have done every nasty, dirty job out there to survive, only for my children, I would not bother. Yep, I deal with pain everyday, so I just have to learn some "coping skills". Pardon my skepticism. Maybe it's time to say ciao.

Marlee2
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   Posted 11/3/2008 8:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Tyno you really need to find another doc., one that has a heart. I can't imagine living the way you have had to. I can't help but have some pretty nasty thoughts about docs like that. devil
 
I was on xanax when I got fibro so I don't know how much it helps to relax the muscles. Obviously it doesn't take it all away. I know I couldn't deal with anxiety without it. I know others have said that it helps with the pain. It does make sense that the more relaxed we are the less pain we have. Kelly, anything that helps the pain and helps us get from one day to the other is a good thing as long as we don't abuse it. I know your under stress right now living with your parents so you might only need the extra til you get things straightened out and back on your own. I would have needed a lot of xanax if I had moved back in with my mother at 36. turn
 
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tyno3
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Marlee2: Thank-you for the validation. I am still waiting for a call back from that doctor. I also called him last week when I was so sick with toothache, and couldn't sleep and he never even bothered to call back. Geez. I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. Something is seriously wrong with our mental health system. I waited 18 months through horrific depression, and was only seen by an intake worker when I uped the ante (was in full crisis mode). Then they told me it would be a month, even in crisis to see a doctor. Then they tried to cancel that appointment, but couldn't reach me because I'd already left to go to said appt. So, the first thing he says to me," Ï don't have time for you today, well maybe twenty minutes". Then he axed my meds for coping. I wrote a graduate level theses on coping. I don't know if that is what I need. Also they tell me, put your father in a nursing home, then you wouldn't need anti-anxiety meds. Well, see we do things differently in this family. At least myself and my sons do. We look after people as long as we can. Also, having Fibromyalgia, something he referred to as "some elusive pain thing", is anxiety ridden. Whether he "believes" or not, never being able to count on your body to take you where you need to go, when you need to go there, creates anxiety. For example, trying to plan events, shop for Christmas, sort out what Dad's problem of the second is, he's too hot, then too cold, then he torments the dog who snarls at him, and I have to time the dog out cause the dog is trained. Dad, We're still a work in progress, there.

AustenFan
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Tyno,
 
I think that most benzodiazepines, including Klonopin and Valium, can also function as muscle relaxants.
 
I've had 2 back surgeries with a lot of residual muscle pain, and I've actually been prescribed Valium as a muscle relaxant.
 
I'm so sorry you are having trouble getting proper treatment.  I hope you are able to get some relief soon.  shakehead
 
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Green Grove
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Kelly :)

I'm on the same dosage, and one of the reasons I like to keep it that way is not only for anxiety, but for the relief from pain also :) I know for many of us, we need to get a good doc (that goes for you double Tyno) that will not mess with our scripts, because it can cause a lot of problems trying to withdrawl from them. I want to forwarn you Kelly, that if you up your dosage and keep it consistant, you will not only become a bit immune, but it will be harder to taper off. I know from personal experience. I wish you the best of luck. I does feel good to fell good every so often : )
Much Love, Hugs, Peace & Comfort :)
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tyno3
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   Posted 11/3/2008 9:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I think the answer may lay in going back to my Primary Care physician, now that the intractable depression is dealt with. He, my PCP, was clear, open and sensitive to my need for both the pain meds and the anti-anxiety meds. He did not want to handle the BiPolar part of the health care management for me, due to concerns that have been raised about the potentially devastating side effect caused by the use of SSRI's for BiPolar, ie, it would create rapid cycling. Once that stumbling block has been resolved (I take 150 mg. Zoloft, daily), and it seems to be working, I think I'll try to politely extricate myself from the Mental Health milieu, Thank the doc for making me äll better"and run like he--."

kelly71
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   Posted 11/3/2008 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
tyno,
 
Does your doctor even know the meaning of the word, "compassion?"  Unfortunately, I think we've all run into docs who just don't seem to care.  I always want to ask them why they became a doctor in the first place, but they are usually running out the door before I can ask. smilewinkgrin    I'm really sorry you are having such a hard time.  about 5 years ago, I had a similar experience with the mental health system, and I was in a really bad place.  Instead of waiting, I voluntarily checked myself into the hospital for 72 hours.  BTW-if I wasn't crazy before, I was crazy by the time I got out of there! smhair    I am all too familiar with mental health issues. eyes
 
Anyway, right after I posted this question, my mom came home from work and I asked her the same thing I asked y'all.  She said that the Klonopin should relax me.  So, I went ahead and took it this AM, and even though I am falling asleep at the computer, I really do think it helps.  I do worry about having an addiction to benzos.  I have heard that they are the hardest drugs to stop taking.  But, I am taking less than the Rxd dose, and making sure that my sobriety is intact.
 
I never thought that benzos would help with pain, but today I feel less stressed and not so tense.  So, yes, I guess in a roundabout way, they do help with pain.  And, pain free days (or days when I can get through the day without screaming out in pain) are few and far between.  So, I'm gonna enjoy this day...if I can stay awake from the Klonopin. wink
 
BTW, Marlee, sometimes I feel like I need a continuous IV Valium drip since living with my parents again! smilewinkgrin
FINALLY dxd on 06/13/08
Vicodin, Neurontin, Ibuprofen for pain-which doesn't help, BTW
Zoloft & methadone (NOT for pain) for sanity-which doesn't help, BTW
Klonopin for anxiety (Guess what?  Doesn't help!)
Chantix to try to quit smoking (started 08/20/08)
 
"I'll take the Chivas instead"
-Kelly Clarkson


Marlee2
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   Posted 11/3/2008 1:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Ask your mom if she will put one in for you. turn Just keep coming here and laughing about it and you might make it.
 
I have not had an addiction problem. I have managed to keep my dose of xanax according to what the doc wants me on. Okay with that being said, I've never tried going off of it either in ten years so I don't know what would happen if one day I didn't have any. I'm sure I would have big problems with it. It keeps the anxiety under control and during times like this, Ken's heart problems, I don't know what I would do without it. I wish I could control the anxiety without meds like some people do but I can't. To me it's like needing meds for diabetes or low thyroid something doesn't function right in me. On days when I don't have stress and I'm busy I don't think about taking xanax so to me it's as needed bases.
 
Tyno, I would go back to your PCD since he treated you nicely.
 
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Marlee
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Green Grove
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   Posted 11/3/2008 4:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Marlee,

That is really great you take or leave the Xanax:) My grandmother have been on Lorezepam every since I was a lot younger and does the same thing you do:) She is a remarkable woman. She is 87 this year and has been dealing with pain since her early 30's and does not take anything more than a Tylenol 3 1 or 2 in the evenings to help her sleep. She can take a lot more, but she is afraid of addiction :) Anway, just thought I would mention my lovely grandmother :)
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tyno3
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   Posted 11/3/2008 6:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks guys. I shouldn't be so hard on that Doc. I think they're way overworked, and likely understaffed. However, even bearing that in mind, I was calling in obvious distress, even had spoke to my pharmacist about the matter, he agreed dropping down by 2/3's on the anti-anxiety meds is not recommended. Rather, titrate down a bit at a time. They (the psychiatrists), should also know, as I do that pain causes anxiety, and managing the anxiety helps to manage the pain. I guess I'll just try and bow out graciously. The irony is they don't acknowledge Fibro as a legitimate disorder, here in Canada, as they do in the U.S., and unless I'm mistaken, I don't believe Lyrica is available. I may be mistaken about that.

QTKaren
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   Posted 11/4/2008 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Well I really screwed myself on this one.  I figured I'd list it here since you were all talking about titrating and monitoring of drugs.  To start off with I was supposed to be able to fill my ms contin script on the 1st but figured since I was seeing my doctor on the 6th for my annual physical and pain managment appt that I didnt want to be bothered with having the morphine script mailed to me as it can't be called in.  Well after falling and really hurting myself right before Halloween and running out of the morphine I was in alot of pain and used extra vicodin.  Mind you that it wasnt alot maybe an extra 1or 2 per day for about 5 days but that was just enough to short me for my vicodin that is due tomorrow.
 
So like a bonehead without the morphine for added pain relief I kept on taking the vicodin as prescribed even though I had quit taking any extra I am short.  So I didnt know if the call in script would go through today or tomorrow seeing as sometimes it goes through a day early.  So just in case it doesnt go through till sometime tomorrow I took my night dose at 8 pm and figured that I would just knock myself out early this morning with some melatonin so I could skip my middle of the night dose to give me enough to cover me if my vicodin comes in tomorrow.  Which brings me to now.  I woke up at 10 am and I normaly take a dose of meds at 2am so I woke up sicker then crud in full bore withdrawel.  I knew that I could take a dose as soon as I got up but by then I was hurting way more then I normally do and throwing up with diarhea.  After being on these meds so long it doesnt take long after a missed dose to be sick and I went 8 hrs past dosing time.  I will still have to watch what I take the rest of the day if my vicodin doesnt come in till tomorrow if I want to have a dose for tomorrow morning or afternoon.
 
I sure wont take this chance again with getting my morphine late and in turn having me take extra vicodin for pain.  If I had got my morphine filled on time then it wouldnt have bothered me to even take a lil less vicodin if I had to.  And even though I screwed up on getting the morphine on time this is exactly why my dosing is so screwed up to begin with.  They were supposed to have me on enough morphine with vicodin for breakthrough meds but instead I use the vicodin more for reg pain control and the morphine just helps to make the vicodin more effective.  So there are no breakthrough meds in cases of extra pain like when I hurt my back and shoulder or if the fibro is flaring.  I know that I am dependent on these drugs but I do not feel that I am addicted as I do not crave getting a high feeling at all and I dont get high it just takes alot of the pain away.  I could not even imagine only having enough meds for once in awhile when you are at the screaming point.  I know that you are concerned with addiction Kelly but there has to be some way to get enough meds to function comfortably on a reg basis without going too much in the other direction.  You have enough fear of addiction in you that I am sure that you would be honest enough with yourself to stay sober.  I am feeling a lil bit better then when I first woke up.  I have however been in full withdrawel a few times when there were mix ups on my meds getting to me and it was horrible.  Just a taste of it now and then is enough to make me not want to take them for pleasure purposes.
Karen
 
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Fibromyalgia,IBS,Stroke x2,endometriosis,Diabetes type 2,neuropathic pain,nerve damage due to tailbone removel,nerve damage due to fractured back,deppresion,high blood pressure,severe nausea,atrophy,chronic pain,nerve damage due to botched bladder surgery,torn hip joint,hypoglycymic
 
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kelly71
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   Posted 11/4/2008 12:52 PM (GMT -7)   
My QTK!
 
I'm so sorry that you have to go through those horrible withdrawals!  I actually do know what those are like, and I would do anything never to have to experience that absolute hell, again. shakehead
 
Anyway, I am very aware and on top of my addiction, but I have the problem of getting doctors to help me relieve my pain.  Right now, I'm only taking 7.5mg Vicodin twice daily, and Neurontin 300mg twice daily (along with the Klonopin and other stuff).  For me, that dose barely works.  But, try explaining that to a doctor, while being completely honest about my past addiction.  A lot of docs are so ignorant, they either think that I'm getting pain relief from the methadone (I'm not), or try to Rx me something that will reverse my methadone and send me into withdrawals (this has happened with 2 different doctors).  If I didn't have the knowledge that I did, I could have died! cry
 
So, I'm in quite the conundrum (sp?).   Anyway, feel better, soon QTK!  As soon as you get your meds, things will improve. :-)
FINALLY dxd on 06/13/08
Vicodin, Neurontin, Ibuprofen for pain-which doesn't help, BTW
Zoloft & methadone (NOT for pain) for sanity-which doesn't help, BTW
Klonopin for anxiety (Guess what?  Doesn't help!)
Chantix to try to quit smoking (started 08/20/08)
 
"I'll take the Chivas instead"
-Kelly Clarkson


QTKaren
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   Posted 11/4/2008 1:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Kelly and I wont make this mistake again yikes, gonna be a long day and night. I pray every day that you get the medication needed to help with your pain. And I feel like kicking the butt of the doctors that are too stupid to listen. Isnt it funny that we seem to know so much more when it comes to common sense?
Karen
 
Mom of one gramma to 4 lover to One
 
Fibromyalgia,IBS,Stroke x2,endometriosis,Diabetes type 2,neuropathic pain,nerve damage due to tailbone removel,nerve damage due to fractured back,deppresion,high blood pressure,severe nausea,atrophy,chronic pain,nerve damage due to botched bladder surgery,torn hip joint,hypoglycymic
 
Norco(double strength vicodin) 80 to 100 mg @ day
Ms Contin(morphine) 45 mg @ day,Lyrica 600mg @ day
 
 
 

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