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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/15/2008 1:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all
Have been laid up with a toothache all weekend.  Saw the dentist today and the news was lousy.  Thanks to our friend, Fibro, I have severe dry mouth which has caused 4 different crowns to become severely decayed.  Caught it in time before I needed root canals, but the crowns have to be replaced.
He worked on the tooth that was aching all weekend.  And the worst part,
will cost $4,000, insurance will pay only 50% because I have exceeded my limit.  Last time I saw my dentist was six months ago for a cleaning and I had 3 cavities, and he was amazed how fast the decay re-appeared. Well,
he looked on my medical sheet, and he said, "well this explains the fast
decay, its the Fibro".  Just another kick in the teeth, thanks to our friend
"Fibro". mad
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patsie
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   Posted 12/15/2008 4:46 PM (GMT -7)   
HI,

Now I would really like to know how fibro links to dental cavities. I have yet to hear that. Can you give me reasons? I just had a perfect dental checkup.

Thanks, Patsie

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   Posted 12/15/2008 5:05 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Tootie...going through the same thing myself right now.  In another post last week I talked about going to the dentist because I was chewing the side of my mouth...also have to have two crowns repaired because of 'dry mouth' which does cause rapid decay.  I had an appointment today and canceled it because I am in too much pain to sit there for two hours....plus the novacaine in the front of my mouth that always shoots into my eyes...Couldn't do it.  I love the dry mouth too.  Especially when I smile and my lips stick to my gums.

donna


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patsie
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   Posted 12/15/2008 5:11 PM (GMT -7)   
HI,

Well OK did not see how dry mouth could cause decay but I guess if the tissue isn't nourished properly then that's the reason.

Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/15/2008 5:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Patsie

Some fibro patients experience dry mouth and dry eyes, and I am one of them, unfortunately.  Not having a lot of saliva in the mouth creates severe plaque around the gum line, causing very rapid decay.

I asked both my dr and dentist about this and they confirmed this.

I was tested for Sjorgens, which causes the same thing, but I dont have Sjorgens, so it is definitely the Fibro

Donna.....isnt it just great? LOL.  You would think the pain in our bodies would be enough, but nooooo, it even affects our poor teeth. Just another thing we have to get use to.  I use Biotene mouth wash and toothpaste, which I thought was helping.  I dropped off a script the dentist gave me and will let you know what the name of it is when I pick it up tomorrow.  Hopefully it will help

Sue

 


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vestabula
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   Posted 12/15/2008 5:34 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Sue...dentist gave me something to rinse with that is nothing but glycerin and some flavoring...works for about ten minutes.  I think I know the prescription you are talking about sali-'something'.  I've had this dry mouth for about 15 years...don't know if in all the various thousand's of dollars of testing they tested me for Sjogrens.  Maybe I have it, but right about now...I don't care! LOL!  (Last ANA was back in the late 90's and it was okay).

Ya gotta love this disease!  At least your dentist knew what it was!

feel better

donna


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MT Lady
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   Posted 12/15/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
many of the meds we take cause dry mouth. Many years ago, about 20, when I was first diagnosed, I was placed on Elavil, which caused dry mouth for me and before I knew it, I ended up losing 4 or 5 teeth. It is because of the lack of saliva. The saliva is what washes away the bacteria in our mouths. Since that time, I have been very aware and always have water by my side

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Sue2z
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   Posted 12/16/2008 1:24 AM (GMT -7)   
I just went to dentist yesterday,  had the choice of a crown or a tooth extraction.  I had the latter. I was expecting alot of pain because fibro seems to intensify everything but for once it went well with no pain at all and it was a large tooth.  I hope fibro doesnt effect teeth, I havent heard of that before.   sue2z confused
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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/16/2008 4:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Sue2Z
fibro causes dry mouth. you can google fibro and dry mouth, and it is one of the symptoms. i never have had so many cavities since i was dx with fibro.
some people get it and some are lucky and they dont. i hope you are one of the lucky ones. i always took pride in my teeth, and now it seems my mouth is one big crown and fillings. am sick of this whole mess!!!!!!!!!! its really getting me down
everyone have a pain free day
Tootie
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Marlee2
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   Posted 12/16/2008 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
My teeth are okay but my gums are receding away from the dry mouth.
 
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GamJill
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   Posted 12/16/2008 9:43 AM (GMT -7)   

Oh Tootie, I know exactly what your going through.

A little over a month ago I had an abcessed tooth from "H_ _ _". It started hurting on a weekend also and come Monday it started to get worse. I told myself, maybe it will settle down and waited till Tuesday to call the dentist. BIG mistake- it was a full blown abcessed tooth by then! And the pain was so bad, I could not even talk nor function. Started on Keflex, but it took at least four days after that to settle it down. Yesterday I had the root canal done, and am doing OK- Neck and jaw (I have TMJ, and this just aggravates it) are very sore from holding open my mouth and the tooth is sore but nothing compared to the pain I had when it was so infected.

I am not sure if dry mouth caused any of this and my dentist just found out that I got fibro since I last saw him. He did not mention anything, but it is interesting if fibro causes the dry mouth and than affects our teeth- Jeesh.

Hope your feeling better,

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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/16/2008 10:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Gamjill
I also have severe TMJ. When the dentist wants to use novacaine I say NO WAY, because it will flare my TMJ for up to a month. So yesterday I endured an hour of pain while he drilled away. I figure its better than being laid up with TMJ. I cant keep my mouth open very long, so he always schedules me for a longer appt so I can rest my jaw.
I found out about the dry mouth when I went to the eye dr for dry eye syndrome.
He gave me drops for my eyes and then he asked me about my mouth. So the fibro does affect both. I googled it and sure enough its part of this junk

Glad you are feeling better hon. I go back tomorrow for more work. UGH!!!

Sue
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GamJill
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   Posted 12/16/2008 6:02 PM (GMT -7)   
I will be thinking about you tomorrow- NOT FUN!

I get to go back Jan. 7th because he found another tooth on the x-ray close by the one he did the root canal on and said it is "iffy" and wants to take care of it before it gets infected.

Marlee was teasing and said I must have been a very bad girl this year because I got a root canal for Christmas- WHAT did you do!!!????? Hee- Hee

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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/16/2008 6:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for your thoughts. NOPE......not fun at all, but best I get it taken care of.

Hmmmmm, what did I do??? Has not been a good year, but I dont think anyone deserves a ROOT CANAL!!!!! I was reading an article by some dentist and he said
"it is very unusual for root canals to be painful or uncomfortable". Wonder what plant he is from?!?!?!?!
Tootie
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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/17/2008 5:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Well another dentist appt from hell today.  Went back and dentist told me I did indeed need a root canal in one of my teeth.  I have SEVERE TMJ
and can barely open my mouth to eat.  I was feeling bad enough with the fibro due to a 4 inch snow fall last night. I cannot take novacaine in the large muscle so he just numbed the gum area.  Next thing I know, I was laying on a cot with a blanket, as I passed out.  The pain and the fibro and TMJ was just too much.  He wanted to stop, but I said NO, I am numb, get the darn thing done.  It took and hour and a half, and then he had me lay down for awhile, gave me juice and crackers and I was able to drive home.
Have to go back after Christmas to have the crown done, and he is questioning another tooth.  I dont know how much more I can stand. He gave me steroids for 5 days since the inflammation was so bad in the tooth.
If any of you have a dentist who doesnt believe in fibro, please tell them,
and especially if you have TMJ. I pray I am able to sleep tonite.  I was up all night with pain.  thanks for letting me vent
 
Sue
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tyno3
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   Posted 12/17/2008 5:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ya'll: just had to weigh in here. Since my Dx fibro, in '94, i probably have about $10,000 invested in my teeth. I had half a dozen root canals,one very expensive crown for which I needed an endodonist. And guess what, four years later it abcessed. I also have had three major extractions in the past couple of years. Just holes in my jaw. Now I've got side by side cavities right in the front on lower jaw, which should have crowns but alas, on a minimal fixed income and no insurance, it'll have to be temporary fillings, for now. I too, have been on elavil (amyltriptilene) since 94, and frequently find my mouth so dry I cannot talk. Also, all those mercury amalgrams, I have twelve or so, are they slowing poisoning me? Some were done when I was a child and the dentist would give us a little ball of mercury to play with while waiting.  Good luck with next appt. I actually don't mind going to the dentist, there is a two to three hour break from demands.

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AustenFan
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   Posted 12/17/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been through a similar dental he-- for the past two years.  As soon as I get one tooth straightened out (root canal, crown, etc.), I have problems with another.  I've had a toothache all week which I hope is just a TMJ flare and not another tooth problem.
 
Patsie, not only does the dry mouth associated with fibro cause decay and gum recession, but many fibromites have TMJ and bruxism (grinding, especially during our non-restful sleep) which causes a whole host of tooth damage. Grinding irritates the periodontal ligament, nerve, and pulp of the tooth.  It also damages the tooth itself, sometimes leading to the need for a root canal and/or crown.  My understanding is that TMJ and fibro often occur together leading to a lot of dental problems for some people.  Unfortunately, I'm one of the unlucky ones. mad
 
Hope you feel better soon Sue.
 
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tyno3
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   Posted 12/18/2008 3:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Is this dental? Oddly, just as this is the hot topic on Fibro forum, this morning I awoke to a hugh swollen lymph gland on the same side as the toothache from H---, I had fixed, yanked, last month. It was a four day wait in excruciating pain, before I could get an appt. with dentist. She nearly had to sit in my lap and the tooth came out in slivers. She said "there's still a sliver in there but it will fuse with the bone and shouldn't cause any problems." This lymph node is very sore. Also, prior to the extraction before the , according to the dentist "√∂ffending" tooth was mostly removed, the toothache always started with a throbbing pain in the lower jaw, the tooth directly below, the offending tooth. I tried to get her to explain why I would feel the initial throbbing in the lower jaw, then the upper offending tooth would start like someone was inserting a red hor skewer into upper jaw. She didn't have an answer for that. The bruxism could cause that, right? My teeth are worn on the edges and I figure it;s bruxism, my mom has TMJ (is it congenitial?). Soooo many questions, so few answers.

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AustenFan
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   Posted 12/18/2008 4:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Tyno,
 
TMJ can definitely cause phantom pain in unaffected teeth as well as in your jaw, neck, head, etc.  Sometimes for me, If I'm having a problem with one tooth, I will have TMJ pain in other places too.  It's almost like a chain reaction.
 
I don't know about the swollen lymph node, though.  That sounds as if it could be an infection.  Since you had major dental work so recently, I would call my dentist.  You may just need something as simple as an antibiotic.  Try not to let it go too long. Good luck.
 
Hugs - Austen
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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/18/2008 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Austen

This TMJ and grinding my teeth has got to stop. I wear a bite splint, but I have worn through two of them in 4 years and now the insurance will not pay for another one.  My tooth feels better today, except where he must of put atlest 6 novacaine shots.  I DO NOT like dentists. My TMJ is really bad this morning, even giving an earache. I guess every one who has Fibro has different things, and mine seems to be my TMJ and teeth.  Sure does get costly.

Have a great day

 

 

 


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tyno3
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   Posted 12/18/2008 8:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank-you Austen, and tootiebug 58 (gotta know where that handle came from, (Just kidding around, that's all). Anyway, I just wanted to ask if anyone knows if TMJ can be inherited. My mother had a fortune in dental work done, that she probably didn't need, because, even after the dental "fix"she kept having the same pain, even where there were no teeth. I know there's a link between TMJ and migraine, at least I think there is. I was having daily, horrific headaches for about 5 months. Since that last extraction (the toothache that made childbirth seem like child's play, I have not had a single migraine. Isn't that curious? I was thinking about it this AM as I was doing my med regeime, wow, look there's lot's of zomig left, I haven't used it in over ten days, basically since that extraction. That's positive. That lymoh node, as big and sore as it is I will see my PCP on 29th Dec. and we'll see if it's still there. While the dentist was gearing up to pull that sucker, she was reading me the anti-liability clause in our agreement because she said it is so close to the sinus, it could perforate requiring endodontal surgery, immediately. I told her, let's get it out of there. I could not envision living in that kind of pain. Thanks all, again.

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   Posted 12/18/2008 8:39 AM (GMT -7)   

Well, I swear my fibro flare started a year or so ago when I had a root canal.  Upside down for an hour while the dentist flitted from one patient to another...by the time he came back to me he had to give me more novacaine because he was gone so long it had worn off.  I have terrible TMJ...so bad the joints should be replaced.  I had headaches for about two months after the root canal.  I got a mouth guard from a TMJ specialist and I can't sleep with it.  Plus after many adjustments, it still causes sores behind my top teeth.  Bruxism?  I have chewed holes in my cheek and now I have something like a flap of skin, almost like a callous on the inside of the corner of my mouth that I have asked the dentist to look at twice but he just shrugs his shoulders and says to 'stop chewing your mouth when you sleep."  Duh.. 

Do any of you with TMJ find strange ridges, callous like flaps of skin etc inside your cheeks? I also have very very dry mouth from fibro and Lexapro.  I have to catch myself 'chewing'...all on the right side of my mouth.  Oh..I also had a very bad infection in that salivary gland under my ear...the parotid gland? about ten years ago and it was so severe it killed off the gland so I don't secrete saliva from it anymore...it swells up when I eat something dry and I have to massage it.  Doc told me to keep sucking on lemon drops to keep it clear...

As if fibro pain isn't bad enough...

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donna

 

 

 

 

 


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Tootiebug58
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   Posted 12/18/2008 9:33 AM (GMT -7)   

Donna

I have a huge flap on my right side of my cheek from grinding at night. My TMJ has worsened with all the stress I have been under, since my brothers death.  I use Peroxyl rinse for oral irritations and it does help.  The dentist cant even tell me how to stop grinding, its just getting rid of stress I guess.

The fibro does flare when my TMJ is acting up. As a matter of fact, that is how my fibro all started, with a TMJ flare, which lasted two longgggggg months.  I hate to think of the condition my mouth and teeth will be in if this continues.  My dentist just called me to make sure I was alright.  I am sure I scared the heck out of him yesterday.

Take care Donna

Sue


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vestabula
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   Posted 12/18/2008 10:53 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks Tootie...I get so worried when I have all these flaps and knots on the insides of my cheeks and the lips.  I guess dry mouth can do alot of damage to the tissue also, as well as the chewing.  Sometimes it looks like the veins in my lips are gummy worms!

What can I say...

hugs

donna


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tyno3
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   Posted 12/18/2008 12:33 PM (GMT -7)   
yes. I too get those flaps of skin like painful little tags of skin mostly on the right inside my cheek. I noticed it quite some time ago, they come and go but are very slow to heal. It interferes with chewing food severely enough that when I have it I'm on a mostly liquid, usually soft, diet. I rely on yogurt, milk and protein drinks to avois chewing b/c I invariiably bite the skin tag and boy, that lifts me right out of my chair.

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