Why does my face hurt???

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honeyprincess21
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   Posted 12/23/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -7)   
My face hurts! It feels kind of like when you stand in the cold for too long and your face starts freezing and just aching....except I'm at work and have been for 4 hours and I'm warm (which is rare). But my face HURTS!!!! Mostly in my cheeks. Am I weird or is this another stupid Fibro thing?
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vestabula
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   Posted 12/23/2008 10:25 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Honey...my face feels like it is packed in dry ice all the time.  I keep asking the husband to feel it, as I don't seem to have a sense of 'real temperatue' anymore, and it is always warm.  And yes...it aches!  My nose, however, always seems to be cold!

Don't get it either..

donna


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Grailhunter
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   Posted 12/23/2008 10:57 AM (GMT -7)   
Possibly jaw muscle tension. TMJ is a common problem with Fibro, but you don't have to have TMJ to have tight jaw muscles.

Check yourself when its acheing or feeling numb and see if your holding your jaw tight from stress. The teeth aren't supposed to be touching each other. If stress is causing you to clench those teeth together, the masseter muscles that make the jaw close and are mainly in your cheeks get over tight and ache. You could also be clenching or grinding your teeth in your sleep.

When its acheing or numb, try opening your mouth as far as you can for about 30 seconds and then releasing it and see if goes away for even a little bit. If it does, its jaw muscle tension. If it feels like its hitting allot of your face, it can be involving a lot of muscles.

If it is severe, it usualy ends up making the an ear or ears hurt also because its pulling the joints up tight and they are close to the ears, and it can cause the ears to feel plugged like your going up in a plane or changing elevation quickly.
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Post Edited (Grailhunter) : 12/23/2008 10:03:03 AM (GMT-7)


honeyprincess21
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   Posted 12/23/2008 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you! I will try that for sure! This stupid Fibro...I never know what's part of it or when to see a doctor or anything!
Endometriosis since 2002 diagnosis via laparoscopy
5 laparoscopies for Endometriosis from 2002 - present
Anxiety since 2004
Post Traumatic Stress Disorder since 2005
GERD since 2008
Fibromyalgia since 2008
Colonoscopy - 2008
Endoscopy (EGD) - 2008
 
Currently in Physical Therapy for Pelvic Floor spasms. Also for lower back, hip & thigh muscular problems.
 
* Baclofen
* Xanax for Anxiety
* Fish Oil Capsules
* Iron Pills
 
!!! At my wit's end with being "broken" !!!
 


Grailhunter
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   Posted 12/23/2008 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
There is also a technique called a masseter muscle stretch. Easy to show a person, but kind of hard to explain in words. Instead of a active stretch where your opening your mouth as far as it will go and holding it open, this is a passive stretch. You take the open palms of both hands, one on each cheek and traction the cheeks downward while you just let the mouth hang partialy open with the traction. This is useing the flats of your palms and fingers to open your mouth while the traction from your hands is stretching the jaw muscles. If your doing it right, you will feel the stretch on the jaw muscles in the cheeks. Hold the passive stretch for about a minute.

I suggest you google search "TMJ Masseter Stretch" and you will probably find a website with a picture of this stretch technique, which is worth 1000 words of me trying to describe it.

Another technique is direct muscle massage. Fingers on the outside of the cheek, thumb on the inside and massage the jaw muscles in the cheek with your thumb. If your cheeks are hurting because of those jaw muscles, it is going to hurt to massage them and after a minute or two of massage they will feel allot better.

TMJ symptoms are very common to fibro, as I said, and are about the last thing you finaly end up getting diagnosed with. It can remain minor, or spread to more muscles. The most common mistake Doctors make on this when it has progressed to where much of the face and head hurts, and then it ends up involving pain to the ears and ear plugging is it get miss diagnosed as a sinus infection and they put you on anti-biotics.

The reason jaw muscle problems are common to Fibro is because the neck problems aggravate the jaw, or the person is stressed to the point of jaw clenching during the day, or due to lack of total relaxation during sleep, they clench or grind their teeth in their sleep.

I never got rid of it for 8 years, no matter how much stretching and massageing I did. One day it magicaly disapeared. They put me on Amitryptelene and Klonopin for sleep. I was clenching and grinding my teeth in my sleep.
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Mazfire
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   Posted 12/24/2008 12:11 AM (GMT -7)   

I have TMJ and the pain is ridiculous. i do the massage and stretching for the jaw. i also have alot of facial pain due to my chronic sinusitis which makes me feel like ive been punched in the face- im yet to find some lasting relief.

myofacial pain is also a symptom of Fibro. aint that grand? grrr! lol

 

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Grailhunter
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   Posted 12/24/2008 11:07 AM (GMT -7)   
I sympathize. Full blown TMJ is very disableing without having anything else on top of it. The only thing that finaly stopped it on me was a level of drugs that had me sleeping like the dead.

A really serious TMJ problem is hard to distinguish from chronic sinusitis for Doctors. They are trained for sinusitis and not trained for TMJ symptoms and the real pain, plus the refered pain, plus the Trigeminal nerve involvement, running by the jaw joint, which feeds to most of the face, eye muscles, teeth, plus the fact the SCM muscles in the neck are usualy involved also and causes severe refered pain to the forehead, and you got a mess. Also, it messes up swallowing correctly and you can feel like almost choking on the sensation of stuff running down the back of your throat, or feeling like your throat is hurting, tickleing and even closing off.

Long story short, the full list of potential symptoms from fully involved TMJ are so close to a raging case of chronic sinusitis they are hard to tell apart. I treated mine as sinusitis for about 6 months. A ear, nose and throat Doctor had me taking antibiotics for 2 months because it wouldn't clear up and she was sure it was a sinus staff infection. I was steaming my sinus's twice a day for months, pouring saline throw the nostrils, trying every different allergy medication, steroid spray.

If you happen to have allot of neck pain and forehead headache/pain along with your TMJ you should investigate the condition of those SCM muscles on your neck. The SCM's refer pain directly to the forehead, so if your getting neck pain in those muscles, and your getting forehead headaches, just grab ahold of the neck muscle and squeeze and hold the muscle and if its refered pain from the neck, the forehead pain gets allot worse. Trying to fix a tight jaw with messed up SCM muscles is a tough fight because they mutualy aggravate each other.

How I finaly found out it was TMJ was I went to a Chiropractor and the first words out of his mouth looking at me was "you have TMJ" I asked him what that was and how he knew and he took me to a mirror. The right jaw muscle was so tight the right cheek was actualy bruised from the muscle pulling on it.

Getting a massage therapist to do serious work on the neck and all the jaw muscles for months reduced it back down to the feeling of just having a tight jaw coming and going, but that never went completely away until the drug enforced deep sleep.

Now it is actualy reversed where it doesn't bother me unless I stretch or massage the jaw. Or if I spend allot of time at the computer which stresses the SCM's and tightens the jaw.
Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, IBS, Diverticulitis, Costocondritis, Mild Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy, Mild Hilar Lymphodenopathy, Depression, Anxiety. Near Constant Dyspnea. Disequilibrium, prolonged standing, walking, progresses late in day.

Klonopin, Percocet, Baclofen, Ibuprofen, Valerian, Greens Plus, Magnesium, Vitamin C, COQ 10, B Complex, Glucosomine, Condrotin, MSM.

Post Edited (Grailhunter) : 12/24/2008 4:38:01 PM (GMT-7)


JCgurl
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   Posted 12/25/2008 7:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, honeyprincess, you are not alone. I as well have face/jaw pain very often. I found when I went to the dentist that I GRIND my teeth at night, which my rhuemotologist has said could be associated with my Fibro! Maybe that is what you do also at night!! Do you wake up with your face hurting at all? If so, maybe you could go to a local Walmart and get an over-night Mouth Guard in the Pharmacy section (that is where I found mine). I personally, or my husband, could not sleep with one in.. We just couldn't fall asleep and I found that I couldn't breathe through my mouth lol (I breathe more-so through my mouth than my nose.. bad habit I know) BUT EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT, maybe it'll work for you and you can see if your pain deminishes!!!!!

Good luck!!

Grailhunter
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   Posted 12/26/2008 12:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Its usualy a combination of two main things.

1: Night time stress. Our poor sleeping aspect of the Fibro. We don't sleep relaxed enough and we clench or grind.

and/or

2: Daytime stress. We tend to have forward head posture and bad neck muscles that directly tighten the jaw.

To fix a jaw so it stops bothering you, you have to sleep deeply and relaxed, somehow.

And then you have to get the head position trained back to where it belongs. There are excercises to restore shoulder and head position. But quite often the main culprit on how the head posture got forward to begin with is what we do with it while we are awake. Fibromites with neck problems tend to have one big thing in common. They either spend allot of time at a desk or computer, or doing things where their heads are leaning forward, so their head posture is forward allot of the time. Unless that is corrected, posture excercises won't accomplish anything.

So if your at a computer, get the monitor up level with the eyes, the keyboard level with the arms in a hanging position that is not reaching, the mouse so its level with the arm and your not reaching for it. If your at a desk, get your work or reading up high enough you don't have to lean your head forward. When your standing, sitting or walking, keep the head up and looking forward, not down. Then work the head posture excercises to get the head centered back on the shoulders, and the shoulders back so they are not forward. Correct shoulder posture is back and even, not forward and rounded, and then the ears would be centered to the shoulders for the head to be back where it belongs.

If you correct the head posture and get the stress off the neck muscles, and you sleep deep enough you don't clench and grind, the jaw has a preaty good chance of straightening out.

Those cheap mouth guards are preaty much useless unless your planning a football game in bed. The ones you buy at Wal-Mart are totaly uncomfortable, and don't really stop you from grinding and clenching anyhow. The ones the dentist make do more for protecting the teeth from grinding then they do to help the jaw pain. They help a little because your grinding on a smooth surface instead of teeth to teeth, but the jaw still keeps hurting. If you can stand taking something to sleep deeply, you won't clench and grind and it will probably help other things with it, like the neck pain.

A little temporary relief during the day, is to just take a pencil and put it across the front teeth. Those custom guards the dentist make for night use actualy give more relief during the day, then the good you get out of them at night, but they cost like 800 dollars to have one made and a pencil between the front teeth is doing the same thing, temporarily changeing the resting position of the jaw.
Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue, IBS, Diverticulitis, Costocondritis, Mild Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy, Mild Hilar Lymphodenopathy, Depression, Anxiety. Near Constant Dyspnea. Disequilibrium, prolonged standing, walking, progresses late in day.

Klonopin, Percocet, Baclofen, Ibuprofen, Valerian, Greens Plus, Magnesium, Vitamin C, COQ 10, B Complex, Glucosomine, Condrotin, MSM.

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