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pattipanda
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   Posted 1/9/2009 6:27 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone!!
 
Morning stiffness and pain is really a problem for me.  Seems every morning for the pass few years is getting more and more difficult. The areas that are most affected are; my back (big time), feet, ankles, hands, neck and shoulders.  I've tried doing some stretches in bed before I get up but it doesn't seem to help much. The worse the stiffness and pain the longer it takes to "loosen up".  Somedays it seems to continue all day.  Does anyone have any suggestions on what I can do about this?? 
 
Thanks!!!!! And big warm fuzzy hugs,
Patti 
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   Posted 1/9/2009 6:34 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey Patti...Wish I had a good answer for that one...I have found stretching to make it worse, although many of this forum have had good luck with it.  The last time I stretched I got a Charley Horse in my calf that brought me to my knees.  I just walk around for about fifteen minutes and although it doesn't relieve the stiffness completely and NEVER the pain, it works better than stretching.  At least I can hobble to the teapot!

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   Posted 1/9/2009 7:25 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi Patti,

I have the morning pain & stiffness too. I can hardly get out of bed in the mornings. I go straight to my meds and usually after an hour I can at least get around although it's not very pretty!

I do the stretching excercises I found in Fibro 101, usually after I've been up a few hours and they do seem to help loosen me up. I wish I had more help for you, but that is about the only way I can get moving. On my real bad days, nothing usually helps.

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pattipanda
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   Posted 1/9/2009 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
So far, dr hasn't prescribed ANYTHING for pain.... GRRRR.  Over the counter stuff doesn't help AT ALL. shakehead Since I'm still in the diagnostic stages of things I guess he's being cautious.  I don't want him to think I'm a druggie.. but geeez, I could use a little help here.  Maybe I'm not complaining enough.
So?? Its not unusual to have stiffness for HOURS?? Even days, weeks, years??? Wonderful..Not!
Patti
 
Fibormyalgia, 4x Lyme Disease Survivor, Depression, Anxiety Disorder, Dyslexia, 2 Lumbar Disk Herniations, Allergies, Heart Disease, Bi-lateral Carpel Tunnel.  (Still being tested for other disorders/or whatevers).


patsie
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   Posted 1/9/2009 9:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Patti,

I suffer so with the morning stiffness and pain, especially my feet and toes. I find if I stretch before I have been up awhile it actually makes me worse, I can cramp badly. Speaking of the cramping do you have this too?? I wish I could offer more. I look 80 when I get up. NO, over the counter is a waste of time but I unfortunately cannot tolerate many drugs. And yes, it can last all the day. My very best thing is walking. I force myself out with my pup whether I want to or not.

Patsie

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   Posted 1/9/2009 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Have you tried a hot shower? Seriously, it does help, okay, it is temporary, the pain comes back, but it does help. For me, the only real help is pain medication. If I were you, I would call the doctor and tell him the OTC meds simply do not work, or find yourself another doctor. Some docs are simply against prescribing pain medications. I am so grateful I found the rheumy that I have that was prescribing pain meds long before others were. I was diagnosed over 20 years ago and I think I've been taking them all that time. Speaking of that, does anyone know of any issues taking the vicodin/vicoprofen drugs over that length of time?

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pattipanda
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   Posted 1/9/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   

Yes, sometimes a hot shower does help.. sometimes it doesn't.

I've mentioned to the dr. 2 times that over the counter stuff isn't helping.  I have another appt. next Wed.  I'm hoping he'll send me to a rheumy!! 

Yes... stretching too early really causes more trouble than its worth.. it seems it's a slow process of loosing up.

MT Lady mentioned vicodin... I've taken that for back pain and other things.  I can't take it too long (more than a few days) or it rips my stomach up.

Thanks for your thoughts..


Patti
 
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JCgurl
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   Posted 1/9/2009 11:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes, Patti, having the pain and stiffness FOR HOURS after waking does not seem like it's "odd" in any way... I experience the same thing, and stretching like Donna has said seems to make it WORSE for me!!
 
Unfortunately, I don't have an answer to it... wish I did sad
 
And also, I'm not on any pain meds whatsoever either... my doctor hasn't prescribed me Lyrica or anything like that (don't think I want to even try to to be honest). However, in the beginning of me getting the pains, the dr's tried me on various muscle relaxers.. no relief from any of them!!
 
Hope you're having a pain-free and stiffness-free day!!!!
 
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paulinethan
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   Posted 1/9/2009 11:51 AM (GMT -7)   
hi patty, i too suffered from chronic back pain for 2 years, now i have fibro and constant pain. everymorning back stiff & neck. my issues are, can't lay on my back, and can't lay on my side because my neck get stiff. so i'm cant stay in one position. i have all the pillows you can imagine. sometimes i get good night sleep with my ambien but still wake up stiff. so i wait 5 minutes, strecth in bed, and straight in the shower and when i get out stretch some more. yah i have to get up 2hrs early to be able to to this. and through out the day, by sitting at your desk, or standing too long get stiff from that, so i get frequent breaks and i take a walk and stretch, stretching really helps a lot and make it part of daily routine, i stretch every where. dr. not helping you out, go find another, don't wait and suffer. take care
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donnaeil
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   Posted 1/11/2009 1:27 AM (GMT -7)   
I awaken stiff and in pain, take my zanaflex and go directly to the pool. I do not pass go, I do not collect $200, I go to the pool. there I stretch, run and swim. All better. Well, not all better but I have burned lots of calories and am no longer stiff unitl about 11PM.

Then it starts all over again.

tyno3
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   Posted 1/11/2009 6:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi: Pattipanda: I also awake stiff and in agony. I challenge myself to do as much as I can before taking meds. Usually this means making coffee, taking dog out. The trial w/o meds lasts about 1/2 hr. Then I take pain meds, a valium (if I have any as I'm prescribed not a lot. Also I take my antidepressants and synthroid. This is b/c depression and low Thyroid hormone can by themselves, cause achy, painful morning stiffness. It takes between 1 hour to 2 hours before I can do anything significant. I have decided I will walk a mile each day, once I loosen up a bit b/c I'm becoming weak and I want to keep moving.
 
 I am surprised that as you state in your signature that you are DX'd with Anxiety and Depression, as well, that they don't have you on an anti-depression medication that would help with the pain. Also, an anti anxiety med. It may have been coincidental, but my personal experience with Valium, was very good for my Fibro. Valium is an older anti-anxiety med, but it loosened those tight, tight muscles through-out my body and there for a couple of weeks before Christmas, taking 3, 5mg. doses a day, loosened up those horrible knots and let me get around freely. Then I ran out and whammo, having trouble getting out of bed. It was a low dose, I didn't experience withdrawl symotons but I began to feel the tightness moving in and now I'm in a flare. I sure hope you get a doctor who treats Fibro.
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pattipanda
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   Posted 1/11/2009 7:43 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey Tyno 3 ..I do take some meds... xanax - been on that for about 3 yrs, elavil (just started that about 10 days ago).. I'm getting "weaned off" of trazadone, I also take a half of unisom at night. I will be seeing the dr. on Wednesday for some follow up, from some bloodwork.

Here's a little history.. I knew I was having problems since my last bought with Lyme... 1999.(had a spinal tap in 1999 that ruled out chronic lyme, ms, lupus and RA.)    I moved to the mid west... not many doctors around here knew about Lyme.  I started feeling better in 2001, went back to work part time and by 2002 I was working 2 jobs,  in 2006 got a very high profile job, the symptoms would be mild and come and go... Anyway I was in total denial most of the time, changed drs in 2005, never discussed the Lyme or possiblities of Fibro until.... Nov 2008. BANG.. had a huge anxiety attack, wound up in the hospital with chest pain.  No heartattack..thank God.  Then all the symptoms kicked in BIG TIME.  So I'm in the process of being dx'd.  Even though I'm sure I've had Fibro for years, we have to rule out other issues.  So I know it'll take a little time before I get on the proper meds. 

Donnaeil- wish I had a pool nearby.. but since I live in a snowbelt, getting out to swim isn't much of a possibility for me, unless I join a gym. ($$ is an issue, since I'm not working right now).

Thanks again for all of your input!! 

 

 


Patti
 
Fibormyalgia, 4x Lyme Disease Survivor, Depression, Anxiety Disorder, Dyslexia, 2 Lumbar Disk Herniations, Allergies, Heart Disease, Bi-lateral Carpel Tunnel.  (Still being tested for other disorders/or whatevers).


tyno3
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   Posted 1/11/2009 11:15 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey there Pattipanda: Well it sure sounds like you've got your head screwed on right and are headed in the right direction. I'm sorry about your job loss. Exactly the same thing happened to me twice. I was in a fairly high profile, fairly well paid job and I kept missing days. One knows the ending there. Then I got myself back into a dreat job, but was too ill to accept many shifts so when promotion time rolled around, this fellow who was junior to me (I had more experience), got promoted because although I had been there longer, he accumulated more hours. I'm afraid I just couldn't go on after that. I was mad, sad and heartbroken, and gave up. I began working way below my level of training and experience (housekeeping) because one didn't feel so bad when they lost one of those. I was very good at it, had many clients, but could only book myself every other day, because I would need a day between gigs to heal, and rest. We surely do get the short end of the stick, practically every time.

As far as my meds, my PCP has his special little prescription out for my visit at the end of every two months. He gives me enough pain meds to carry me through two months at a time cause I live so far away. He will not even consider upping my dosage or changing meds, he say's ÿou have no pain tolerance, whatsoever. I felt like saying "änd you've never given birth so what do you know?"but I did not. In this predicament we offer only the info that is asked for, no more. I manage fairly well. WE're having a real slippery patch right now, cause my Dad is in hospital, but not so long ago, he was here with me, 24/7/365, for two years and I had to tippy toe around my own house. So, I guess it's all good or bad, only thinking makes it so.


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pattipanda
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   Posted 1/11/2009 11:48 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey again backatcha Tyno 3

Do you see a rheumy?  I'm hoping that my MD will send me to one.  I think they have a better understanding about FM.   However my MD does accupunture.. so I think he understands chronic pain.  But accupunture is REEEEEEEEEEALLY expensive and I don't think my insurance will cover it. 

I saw in your signature bio that you suffer from chest pain too.  I think I have costochronditis and its extremely painful.  Is that what you're suffering from?  It always seems to be worse when I'm tired. 

As for high profile jobs... I don't think I'll be doing that again, anytime soon.  I think something more low-key is in order for me.  I know my job stress is part of what got me into this mess and I don't think any job is worth that.  Sure it was nice to be "on top of the world" for a while, but going through he11 to stay there ... just doesn't make sense.

Warm hugs,

Patti


Patti
 
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patsie
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   Posted 1/11/2009 3:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gals,

I too have the chest pain. In the sternum area and all the muscles under the upper ribs. Isn't this part of FM as well as a possible costochondritis??? Also do you find your pain areas move around quite frequently, curious if this happens to others.

I was a caregiver to my Mom for 5 straight years and it nearly killed me. Hope your dad does well in the hospital. Thinking about you.

Patsie

pattipanda
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   Posted 1/11/2009 3:40 PM (GMT -7)   

Hey Patsie,

The same thing happens to me.. I think its one of the bazillion symptoms of FM.  Hope you get some rest with all you're going through with you mom.

I wanted to apologize to Tyno 3 for not sounding supportive of her situation with her dad.  I guess it was a case of the infamous fibro fog. 

My dad passed away almost 8 years ago, after a LONG (11 year) illness.  I know what you ladies are going through and I wish you all the best in this difficult time.  Its hard to watch your parents suffer.

Warm hugs,

Patti


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patsie
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   Posted 1/11/2009 4:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Patti,

I WAS caregiver for 5 years. Mom died but I was never so challenged in my life. The truth is My Fibro symptoms really began during this period. You know you do what you have to do in this life but man oh man it can be tough.

Do your pain symptoms move around a lot? I can go from severe legs to chest in a matter of hours, what the heck is that?

Patsie

pattipanda
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   Posted 1/11/2009 5:31 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Patsie..

Sorry my mistake when I read your post about your Mom.  Yes, life is very tough and its hard to go through those challenges.  Again, I'm sorry for my mistake.

As for the pain that jumps around .. that happens to me a lot.  If we knew why maybe this syndrom wouldn't be such a mystery.  I hate the pain, but when it jumps around it really catches you off guard.    Today my pain has been in my thigh, neck and back.  **sigh** I guess if we had the answer... we could find a cure!

Patti 


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   Posted 1/11/2009 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm like Donaeil. I wake up, take my pain meds and immediately exercise for 20 - 30 minutes. It seems to aleviate the stiffness and keep it at bay for a few more hours.
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tyno3
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   Posted 1/12/2009 3:04 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey gals: The latest post, by ivy6, brought to mind an amusing vision. My son, trying to scrape me off the floor with a spatula. God Bless those Fibromites with the will to push through the pain and lead nearly normal lives.

The chest pain is really scaring me. Yesterday I had 3 bouts with it. It is right smack in the middle of the sternum, radiates outwards in both directions. Pattipanda, about your  question about a Rheumy, I'd sure like to be able to see one, or go to a pain clinic that doesn't reccomend standing on your head followed by the Lotus position, but alas, here in Canada, we train excellent doctors but have socialized medicine (treats everybody equally regardless of income bracket,) so all our good docs leave for decent pay in other countries. It took me nineteen months to see a shrink and that was only because I was on the brink, I had to go through the crisis centre.I can ask for a referral, my next appt. but my PCP has turned out to be pretty darn helpful, so I don't want to offend (don't mess with it, if it's working) kinda thinking. Anywho, hope you all have a nice day.


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patsie
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   Posted 1/12/2009 4:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Good Morning tyno3,

Don't want to minimize your chest pain in case it is something serious but I have that radiating too. Just in case this helps you I can have an almost burning quick pain in the sternum that quickly radiates out. I can have it for a day or two and boom it leaves. This change is what I talked to Patti about. Now not to beat a dead horse but I really feel this pain is a distraction created by our brains to keep us from experiencing troubling things in our unconscious mind. That would very much explain the movement of the pain. When I have an emotional time, such as this past holiday, my pain gets much worse.

Anyway strayed there. Wishing you a pain free day,

Patsie

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   Posted 1/12/2009 7:45 AM (GMT -7)   

I agree with my friend Patsie on this one... that chest pain really makes doing just about anything REALLY scary.  I'd LOVE to be like Donnaeil and Ivy, I wish I had an indoor pool to jump into and stretch.  The chest pain and stretching are really difficult.

Sorry you can't see a Rheumy Tyno, but had to laugh my butt of on the positions a pain clinic would put you through... that was funny!!!!  I guess socialized medicine isn't all its cracked up to be.

For some reason, I wasn't as stiff as usual this morning... (better knock some wood).. but as the day is progressing I'm feeling some pain and stiffness in my hands and hips.  But we're supposed to get Blizzard-Like conditions here tonight into tomorrow night... Woo Hoo!!  I'm sure the weather isn't helping.

Warm hugs and safe travels,

Patti


Patti
 
Fibormyalgia, 4x Lyme Disease Survivor, Depression, Anxiety Disorder, Dyslexia, 2 Lumbar Disk Herniations, Allergies, Heart Disease, Bi-lateral Carpel Tunnel.  (Still being tested for other disorders/or whatevers).


patsie
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   Posted 1/12/2009 8:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Patti,

Amazing for some reason I too was not as stiff this morn'. I will say I am doing everything I can to stay ahead of it, like moving with grace instead of my usual bull in a china shop routine. I think, that is scary, that we use many of our muscle groups wrong and even more importantly we keep our muscles in a tension mode. I have begun to notice the tension in my body for no apparent reason. Then I close my eyes and picture the muscle fibers actually relaxing. It is helping...

I am lucky enough to have a pool too and am heating it now for a swim. This area of FLA gets very cool but NO I am not complaining. Just cool enough to keep the pool temp down. I live a lot in the New England area and love it so much except for that penetrating cold. Well gals can't have everything!!! Just wishing for a little less pain.

Hugs, Patsie

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   Posted 1/14/2009 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks gals for insight into the Costochondritis. It started for the first time this summer and then nothing until a week before Christmas, then again after the New Year. Christmas's for our family are not the best. I cannot remember one that didn't have at least one distaster associated with it. The turkey didn't cook at all one year and my stepmom was so upset. She had a low blood sugar attack and fell down the stairs. Another year my sister got upset because someone besides her picked out the tree, and she just up and left, slamming doors all the way. Cutting utensils were thrown, those horrid noisy stuffed Christmas creatures, snowman, Rudolf, etc. all went off at three AM waking everybody up. My brother was sleeping in the living room where there was a "Grandfather Clock" which chimed out the time, then every half hour. He dissembled it, haven't heard a peep out of that old clock, since. So you see, Stress around Christmas is no surprise.

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patsie
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   Posted 1/14/2009 10:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Tyno,

Now I know there was a lot serious stuff going on but I had to just howl with that story. Man I thought my family had Christmas issues. What is it about the holidays that brings out the very worst in people!!

Take care, Patsie
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