Swine Flu & Fibro??

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pattipanda
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   Posted 4/27/2009 5:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Folks,
 
As I was watching the news this morning I saw that there is a Swine Flu scare going on out there.  
I wanted to ask some questions and give some opinion.
 
Do you feel you are more suspectible to the flu with fibro, since one of our major symptoms is feeling as though you have the beginning of the flu and could possibly have the flu when you don't even know it.. until its too late??
 
If you get any flu bug do you feel that because of your fibro it's difficult to battle it?
 
What do you do to avoid flu getting the flu during flu season?
 
Will you get a Swine Flu Shot, if & when they become available?
 
I'm worried about my fibro family and just wanted to make sure you are aware of what's on the news today.  If you're not a news watcher... perhaps you should tune in. 
 
I don't want to create any panic here... please don't misunderstand that.  But I do think its important for my FibroFamily to take certain precausions since we have a tendency to feel flu-ish.  So, please be sure to wash your hands every chance you get.  If you're out in public & can't get to a rest room to wash your hands please use an antibacterial lotion (that contains alcohol).  If someone in your life developes flu like symptoms please contact a medical professional immediately.
 
Please share your thoughts on avoiding or battling the flu.
 
Thanks and stay well,
 
 
 
Patti
 
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Anne092
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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:12 AM (GMT -7)   
I said the same thing to my husband. I feel like I have the flu all the time. How will we know? I know I will be washing my hands and using alot of antibaterial lotion. I will also be making sure my kids are doing the same. I just wish I could be at school with them to make sure they are washing there. I probably won't be having any of the neighborhood kids over for awhile for playdates. Those kids are always sick.

Anne

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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Just a tip:  I carry a packet of antibacterial wipes in my car, and I use them every time I get back into the car if I've pushed a shopping cart, touched a door handle, shaken hands with someone, etc.  Not only do you get the chemical stuff in the wipes (alcohol, maybe?) like you do with hand sanitizer, but you get the friction that wipes off germs that is similar to using soap/water/paper towel.  I use them all of the time, but especially during flu season. 
 
Of course, the first thing I do when I get home from ANYWHERE is wash my hands!  :-)  
 
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   Posted 4/27/2009 1:27 PM (GMT 0)   
I'm a pretty obsessive hand washer myself, so I've got that bit down pat! As for feeling fluish so much as it is, I think one of the big differences between the fibro flare flu feeling and a more serious actual flu would be the presence of a real, high grade fever. I know that when I get the fibro flu feeling, my temp might go up to 99 maybe, but even that is rare (normally I feel feverish but in fact my temp is a bit low). I never actually have a real seriously high fever when I'm in a fibro flare.

I do hope everyone stays safe and this turns out to be like SARS-you know, when there were a few cases throughout the world and the experts thought we were all going to catch it, but it turned out to stay primarily in Asia and didn't do much damage at all. Or maybe it will be like the West Nile Virus scare a few years ago when most people who got it didn't even know they had it because they barely were sick. We shall see of course, but I will definitely be praying that everyone stays healthy and this blows over quickly!
love and hugs
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vestabula
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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:33 AM (GMT -7)   

Since I feel like I have the flu almost all of the time, I was wondering the same thing, but the Swine Flu comes with a very high fever.  From what I heard it is the very first symptom.  Sooooo...that's how you would know the difference as I don't think fibromites spike 103 degree fevers.

Wash those hands!

Huggies

Donna


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GamJill
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   Posted 4/27/2009 7:49 AM (GMT -7)   

I have Purell in my car and after I go to the grocery store, pump gas, you name it, I use it. Then when I get home I wash my hands too. I would have made a good infection control nurse in my day. This morning I told my son to use the hand sanitizer at his school at "least" a couple of times a day because of this swine flu concern.

I was listening to "Geraldo" last night and they stated to wash hands often and if you start to show flu like symptoms, accompanied by a high fever- to call your Dr. Not to go into the hospital, but let the Dr. direct you on what to do. They have a couple different pills you can start taking within the first 48 hrs of onset, that will make the flu milder so it doesn't get to the real bad stage.

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   Posted 4/27/2009 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Similar to SleepyBug, I often feel feverish but my temp runs a bit low. I watch for a spike in temp as an indicator that I may be getting sick. I also have asthma and I usually notice a difference in my breathing when I'm coming down with something. As for avoidance, I know I should be more careful about hand-washing--I'm a little lazy there--but I do try to keep up my antioxidant intake to keep my immune system strong. My husband has had a couple of upper resp. infections in the past year or so that I DIDN'T catch, so I think the AC&E vites are a good thing.
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Spatchie
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   Posted 4/27/2009 9:40 AM (GMT -7)   

We were just talking about this at work b/c we have an employee in MX.  He said all the schools are closed there and they are leaving the house as little as possible.  I also teased that I feel like I have the flu right now, so how am I supposed to tell, but I agree that I would have a fever as well if it really were the flu.

I do hope we all can stay well.


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Sherrine
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   Posted 4/27/2009 10:38 AM (GMT -7)   
I think you'd know if  you got the swine flu.  First of all, you do get a fever...and very quickly, too.  It is a respiratory illness so you will be coughing.  Also, your muscles and joints will hurt.  I know we have that already but I just bet it would hurt even more!  smhair    Vomiting and diarrhea come along with this, along with fatigue.  Even though we have fibro, I do think we would notice a difference.
 
They say to wash your hands with hot water and soap and keep your hands away from your nose, mouth, and eyes and these are great "entry" areas for the virus.
 
Now, if you think you might have the swine flu, go to your doctor.  They do have an anti-viral called Tamiflu and they have another one but the name escapes me right now.  If you are treated early, you should be fine.  Also, the patients in the US don't seem to have as bad a reaction to this virus as they are having in  Mexico.  They don't understand why, though.  But, just be on the alert and don't fool around if you are having these symptoms...especially the fever.
 
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Luvzminis
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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Is it true that if you eat raw garlic it may work as a type of antibiotic?  Would it help keep this bug away?  When I have a cold I try to eat raw garlic taken with salsa and chips.  Seems to help me then.

Littleneck
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   Posted 4/27/2009 6:48 PM (GMT -7)   
I won't get a vaccine if they come out with them. I got a flu vaccine (it was one that was given up the nose) and immediately got the flu, which lasted for 8 weeks, so that was that with vaccines and me. I eat a lot of organic honey, which has a natural antibiotic property and makes me feel strong. But like raw garlic, though good for you, antibiotics won't keep flu or swine flu away. handwashing = best defense as always.

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   Posted 4/27/2009 7:43 PM (GMT -7)   
 This is a very good question , cause alot of us are on fever reducing meds for pain , I keep purel in my purse , I bought a sample size one along time ago and I refill it  , and keep one in office at work , cause I work with the public at a bingo  . Everytime I go to get more tickets to sell or turn in money I give my hands a squrit . Think hand washing is best thing to do . I usally try not to take my pain meds until around noon If I can . So hopefully I would notice a fever . Take care all
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NobodyGirl
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   Posted 4/27/2009 8:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm a microbiologist so I'll just throw my $0.02 in:

When I get sick my pain is about 10X my normal flare pain. I can barely walk. What would be just mild muscle pain for a non-fibro sufferer turns into one of Dante's circles of Hell for me. Combine this with a fever and I know that I'm sick. There's a BIG difference between a flare and an illness.

Antiseptic washes are okay, but DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES use anything with triclosan in it. NEVER. This is common in lotions, washes, wipes, sprays, etc. The contribution of antibiotic resistance from triclosan has been documented by the CDC.......especially in E. coli. If you must have antimicrobial gels or wipes make sure they are alcohol based. Plain soap and water, when used correctly, are the best defenses against illness.....as well as keeping the hands away from your face.

I work for the state health department and we are urging caution, but not panic. States and the feds have effective programs which are being initiated JUST IN CASE. This includes stockpiling Tamiflu which has shown to be effective at lessening the progression of this flu. Check your state's health dept. web site for updated information on your area.

It seems that we have a health scare in the media every year. This is not to say that a "big one" will never hit, but we shouldn't latch onto and panic over every outbreak. We have been living with and evolving alongside microbes for millions of years. They will never go away (nor should they every go away). smilewinkgrin

donnaeil
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   Posted 4/27/2009 8:08 PM (GMT -7)   
I avoid using anti bacterial soaps and wipes. Instead of being good for us they increase the chances of resistant viruses an bacteria. This means stronger bugs that we have a hard time fighting.

The advertisers are making big bucks by scaring people into using them. Just regular soap and water will do. We need some bacteria to help us keep healthy.

I will take the flu vaccine when it comes out. Usually the winter after a new strain appears is dangerous. By then the virus has a stronghold on the population. I plan to be prepared.

I am prepared to stay home if it hits Seattle because I take public transportation. Believe m, the folks on the bus are sick. we have an appalling homeless problem in this city and they can spread a lot of disease, due to the living condition.

Donnaeil

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   Posted 4/27/2009 8:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Donnaeil! I'm also in Seattle!

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Hara
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   Posted 4/28/2009 12:32 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey I'm in Tacoma, WA....Whoohoo

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   Posted 4/28/2009 7:01 AM (GMT -7)   

I have a friend who suffers from chronic, life threatening cellulitus from abusing all those anti-bacterial products.  They kill the good bacteria along with the bad and now when he gets it, he is in intensive care every time, on Anthrax anti biotics as he has built up such a resistance to most other medications.  We need germs to survive.  I saw a doctor on the news that said the best thing you can do for your children is to let them play in the dirt...and get them a long haired dog to combat allergies and build up a resistance to disease.

Just read the label on a can of Lysol, or any spray disinfectant. Make sure it doesn't enter the blood stream or mucus membranes.  "hazardous to domestic animals and humans.  Do not allow to penetrate clothing.  Wear saftely glasses or safety shield for eye saftey.  Wash hands before eating or drinking, or handling food.  Wash clothing after exposure to this product."    Yet in the commercials, they show some woman spraying telephones, high chairs, door knobs etc with this stuff.

Soap and water is my choice.  An occasional rinse with Purell if I'm somehere where I can't wash my hands is okay but in my humble opinion, slathering that stuff on everything is dangerous.

Huggies

Donna


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NobodyGirl
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   Posted 4/28/2009 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   
vestabula said...
I have a friend who suffers from chronic, life threatening cellulitus from abusing all those anti-bacterial products. They kill the good bacteria along with the bad and now when he gets it, he is in intensive care every time, on Anthrax anti biotics as he has built up such a resistance to most other medications. We need germs to survive. I saw a doctor on the news that said the best thing you can do for your children is to let them play in the dirt...and get them a long haired dog to combat allergies and build up a resistance to disease.

Just read the label on a can of Lysol, or any spray disinfectant. Make sure it doesn't enter the blood stream or mucus membranes. "hazardous to domestic animals and humans. Do not allow to penetrate clothing. Wear saftely glasses or safety shield for eye saftey. Wash hands before eating or drinking, or handling food. Wash clothing after exposure to this product." Yet in the commercials, they show some woman spraying telephones, high chairs, door knobs etc with this stuff.

Soap and water is my choice. An occasional rinse with Purell if I'm somehere where I can't wash my hands is okay but in my humble opinion, slathering that stuff on everything is dangerous.

Huggies

Donna


Your friend is an extreme example, but a good one. I gave up ALL antibacterial stuff in my house years ago. IMHO, the only places that need them are hospitals and other health care settings. The best cleaner to disinfect is a 10% bleach cleaner. We have become a germaphobe nation and it makes me sad. I've told people that I'm on a one-woman campaign to save the microbes!

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   Posted 4/28/2009 9:59 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree children should play in the dirt and have big hairy Dogs. Cats are good to protect against future cat allergies. I have friends who were anti anything unhealthy when their children were young. A few of the children were afraid to eat anything that they considered unhealthy or unclean. Many developed allergies and food intolerances.

The funny thing is they felt my children were living dangerous lives since I did not clean them as often as they did theirs. We had the fewest illness outbreaks.

We, humans, have lived with dirt and bacteria since our beginnings.

There was one study performed, decades ago, in South America. A comparison was made between those children who received sterilized formulas or breast milk from very clean moms against those who lived in the slums from unclean bottles, sources and body parts. When an outbreak of a virus occurred, the ones from what were considered then the filthiest conditions, survived.

Donnaeil, the unclean mom who had cars, dogs, birds, oh my! , lol

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   Posted 4/28/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   
There is also speculation that bringing swine flu up constantly is a ruse by the government to take our eyes off the real issues and what they are spending our tax dollars on.  Always watch "the other hand"--whole lotta dirty business going on in Washington, I believe.

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   Posted 4/28/2009 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
If anything, it may take our eyes off of this recession/depression.

Donnaeil

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   Posted 4/28/2009 1:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, if you have seasonal allergies .. like I do, these things are hard to determine.  My nose is a little stuffy.. but it always is when the trees start blooming.  I'm not THAT worried.  But I am concerned. 
 
I'm sort of a freak about washing my hands, but I always have been.  I don't catch colds very often but last year when I developed pneumonia from the flu it made me more aware of germs and how quickly it can go from nothing to a big deal.
I didn't intend for this thread to become political, I personally don't feel that it is.. it's a issue of humanity. 
 
Take care, 
Patti
 
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   Posted 4/28/2009 2:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, Patti, I hate to see you so worried.  Have you ever had the flu?  I did one time.  I've had many colds with fibro but, when I got the flu, I sure knew it!  I could barely move.  I was not only sore but also so extremely fatigued I could barely get out of a chair to use the bathroom.  I would get up, get in a comfy chair and sleep all day long.  I was so miserable.  There was a big difference in how I felt.  So, I do think that you will know if you contract this illness.  Also it is a respiratory illness and you will also have a high temperature.  So, try to relax and don't worry about something that might not happen.  Just be vigilent and keep those little hands washed and away from your face.
 
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pattipanda
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   Posted 4/28/2009 2:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh I've had the flu before alright.. that's what gave me pneumonia last year and created the flare from hell for me.  So that's why I'm a little extra nervous. 
 
I don't know about any of you.. but a case of Swine Flu showed up in the county next to the one I was visiting over the weekend.  I was at a huge festival and there were tons of people there.
 
Indiana, where I live, is now one of the states that has been affected and they're starting to talk about staying home from work if you feel ill.  I hope people will heed the warning.
 
I'm not going freaky over this.. but I think we should all pay close attention to what's going on.
 
Hugs for now..
Patti
 
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   Posted 4/28/2009 3:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I wish that people who are sick do stay home from work and keep their sick children there also. This I prefer to happen everyday regardless of what is going around.

Unfortunately, families that are stressed financially do not have this option. Not every one has sick days from wrok. sigh.

People who have had Type A vaccines in the past and Type A types of influenza ar more resistant to this strain. This may be another reason the cases are milder in the States and countires other than Mexico.

Please try to relax Patti. Fear is horrible, I know, I have felt it many times.

Donnaeil
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