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lost in philly
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   Posted 6/10/2009 10:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Ive been thinking (dangerous I know)--

Why is it that some times stress will cause a flare and other times you can cope through the stress better and it wont cause a flare?? Does this connection between the two imply that we could possibly have alot of control over our FM with...our mind??? (I told you I was dangerous)

Does anybody have a physiological explanation why stress affects FM?? Like I get when I am stressed, my neck muscles get tight and that sets off those trigger points...but why a full on flare?

Million dollar question here...who has the answer? idea
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Bella Scarlett
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   Posted 6/10/2009 3:06 PM (GMT -7)   
For me, a fibro flare is almost always directly related to the stress in my life. From what I've read, it has to do with tight muscles and the chemicals that are released in the body when we experience the "fight or flight" response. Some of us are wired to be a bit more anxious or high strung than others and those are the folks that stress KO's.

WhiteChocChip
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   Posted 6/10/2009 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
This is how I think it works.

I am in X ammount of physical pain. Now, when I am depressed or stressed, I feel the full ammount X. When I am happy, comfortable, and not emotionally stressed it allows me to ignore Y ammount of the X pain I always have. Therefore, a positive mindset allows me to only FEEL like I am in Z (X minus Y) ammount of pain.

The mind is a powerful thing. This is why techniques like yoga and tai chi are so effective, and why you can psyche yourself out and end up more stressed than necessary.

lost in philly
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   Posted 6/10/2009 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL ChocoChip...I like the algebra reference! That sure sounds like how things work for me too.

Bella...I think I heard of some adrenaline connection too...lol...sure wish I could remember it though.
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Statgeek
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   Posted 6/10/2009 5:09 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Philly,

You are absolutely right, as are the others.  This is my 2 cents psychological and physiological explanation.  I know psychology, but not a whole lot about physiology, but this is what I have learned while getting my education in psychology. . .  Adreneline is released (aka epinephrine) during stress.  The sympathetic nervous system is responsible for the stress response (think s for sympathetic and stress).  The parasympathetic nervous system is responsible for the opposite effect (think p for para and peace).   When your body reacts to stressful situations, it is preparing you for fight or flight.  This includes increased heart rate, constricted blood vessels, increased breathing rate, blood moving away from the extremities to larger muscles, and increased sweating.  A real stressful event does not have to happen to activate this response.  You can be just worrying.  (I've done this lots!)   eyes      It makes you ready to fight or to flee.  This can cause more pain.  Maybe it even makes muscles tighter (don't know)  When we react to pain with upset or anxiety (which is pretty normal), this can cause the sympathetic nervous system to react and there you go - a vicious cycle. 

The parasympathetic response is opposite.  This is why things like tai chi and yoga (like Choc chip said) or meditation or visual imagery or prayer are helpful.  (anything that calms and quiets you down and slows your breathing will help).

It is also helpful, like choc says, to do things you enjoy that help you ignore y amount of pain. 
 
Hope this helps.  smilewinkgrin    Hey!  I remembered all that - not as foggy today.  hooray!

WhiteChocChip
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   Posted 6/10/2009 5:11 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL
My daddy's a math teacher ... I guess I did inherit some of his math brain after all.

I keep trying to find a way to explain to my boss that he needs to try to make things easier for me not harder. If he would just be a little accomodating I would be encouraged and willing to try to ignore my pain more.

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   Posted 6/11/2009 7:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Sue you did a great job in explaining it. Our bodies are screwed up and we don't respond to things like normal people do is my explanation. smilewinkgrin It's the same with the weather, sometimes changing weather has me in big time pain and sometimes it has no affect on me. Some days I can do about anything and I don't feel bad afterwards but the next day I can do the samething and be in world of pain.
 
Stop thinking so much lost in Philly your making us think. turn
 
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Statgeek
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   Posted 6/11/2009 8:51 AM (GMT -7)   

Marlee,

My doc said that a fibro flare is caused by one of two things:

1.  You do something stupid.

2.  You don't do anything stupid.

Pretty clever. cool

Last weekend I had a flare for reason number 2.  It was pretty bad, but I am feeling better now.  Today I am thinking about shoveling the rocks out of homemade riverbed thingy and washing them and putting down clean plastic and putting them back.  The plastic has deteriorated and gophers have pushed rock through and now it looks like a homemade dirt bed.  Hubby warns me not to overdo it.  Or maybe I will pull weeds from the veggie garden and fertilize the flower beds out front.   

Hopefully tomorrow I will not be having a flare for reason number 1!

Sue


Hara
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   Posted 6/11/2009 1:07 PM (GMT -7)   
WhiteChocChip said...
This is how I think it works.

I am in X ammount of physical pain. Now, when I am depressed or stressed, I feel the full ammount X. When I am happy, comfortable, and not emotionally stressed it allows me to ignore Y ammount of the X pain I always have. Therefore, a positive mindset allows me to only FEEL like I am in Z (X minus Y) ammount of pain.

The mind is a powerful thing. This is why techniques like yoga and tai chi are so effective, and why you can psyche yourself out and end up more stressed than necessary.
OMG! I have enough trouble with just plain old math. I don't care much for the Algebra..lol
Yes I'm in alot of pain right now and yes our minds are very in control of the amount of pain we can filter out.... or NOT.
HARA

Nana17
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   Posted 6/11/2009 1:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello everyone-I'm new to the board. I am, what I like to call, a recovering fibromyalgist!!!! LOL I'm always recovering from one stress symptom after another!!! I am learning that I need to reverse my thinking. Do the opposite. If a room is dark, what do you do to make it the opposite? You let in the light. When you stress, you have to concentrate on the opposite....relaxation. It's a constant mind game and I stay tired, but happy! :-)

tyno3
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   Posted 6/11/2009 3:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Nana 17; I like your approach. Try to imagine the opposite feeling to what you're feeling. Visualize it. Does it matter at all whether we react to a stressful event. Can we become as placid as a California Cow. Stand around in the sun all day, chewing our cud. Wait a minute, wasn't I on a mission last week to eat a cow?
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Stari
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   Posted 6/11/2009 3:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Can a person with fibro be cured or will we have to wait to get to heaven before we are free of pain?

Hara
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   Posted 6/11/2009 3:18 PM (GMT -7)   

I've been laughing so hard today at some of the things people say on here I'm not in as much pain as I was this morning....lol

HARA

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Stari
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   Posted 6/11/2009 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok some people will have pain when they go to hell! Others will come back as bugs and get smashed. LOL

Hara
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   Posted 6/11/2009 11:40 PM (GMT -7)   
There are some people , er, bugs I would like to smash....Sorry for getting off topic
 
HARA - lol to hard

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   Posted 6/12/2009 5:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nana and welcome to our family. Guess I'm recovering too then cause it always seems like I'm recovering from some kind of stress, I think it is called life. I'm glad you joined us. This is a very helpful group of people so read and ask questions and we are here for you.
 
Sue, if you move those rocks you know you will feel like number 2. devil
 
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Stari
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   Posted 6/12/2009 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Be nice to bugs some day one might save your life....snakes on the other hand......shovel time

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   Posted 6/12/2009 1:13 PM (GMT -7)   

Snakes are cool  - they eat mice!  What happens to people who come back as rocks??  They get peed on by dogs.  devil   My dog has been gone for a year and the rocks I am shoveling still smell like dog pee!!!  Gross!  Ah memories.

Sue


Stari
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   Posted 6/18/2009 1:24 PM (GMT -7)   
ah but the rocks bring back memories of your dog.

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   Posted 6/18/2009 3:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Statgeek said...

Snakes are cool  - they eat mice!  What happens to people who come back as rocks??  They get peed on by dogs.  devil   My dog has been gone for a year and the rocks I am shoveling still smell like dog pee!!!  Gross!  Ah memories.

Sue

EWww GROSS! Pee rocks....EWwww

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