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Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/18/2009 6:50 PM (GMT -7)   
cool  I don't know how many of you have a combination of arthritis to go with the fibro. I have been dealing with the arthritis pain for 48 years now (I'm 55). I was diagnosed with fibro about  6 years ago and have dealt with pain most of my life.
Last spring I fell and finished off my knees. In the left one I had a torn meniscus, bakers cyst, fibro, arthritis and torn cartilige. I had orthoscopic surgery on it to correct the tears and left the rest of the damage. I haven't been able to kneel down in about 3 years. I started on Super Cissus RX and Bio-sil around 3 months ago. The difference in pain is a god-send. I can get through an 8 hour work day with no problem. I work in a dishroom of a 200 patient nursing home and have to  be very physical to do it. I have been able to now to do a 12 hour day. I take 5-6 of the Super Cissus and 2-3 of the Bio-Sil.
     I've been noticing that the crunching in my joints is dwindling and I have been able to kneel down with no pain!!!
My bad time is still during the night when I lay down and everything starts to sieze up. I was using a water bed until the middle of the winter and since then the pain has been much worse because I don't have the heat on the joints.
I'm going to try Kava Kava to see if it helps with the night pain but you can only take it for so long  before the side effects
kick in. I am still looking for an equivelent to the lyrica and other meds I've tried over the years. St. John's Wort might
work but I like being outdoors and it makes you sun sensitive.  The nice thing about the Super Cissus and bio-sil is that
they are plants with NO side effects.  Give them a try.....it's really worth itp[
 

manyembers
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   Posted 7/18/2009 8:40 PM (GMT -7)   

  Hi,

  Sounds like you are feeling a lot better, and quickly too.  That must be great!  Just wondering, how did you hear about the Super Cissus?  I googled it and it came up in correlation with body building.  I can see, from the outline, how it would help arthritis and possibly fibro., but just wondered who recommended it to you, or how you came to try it for fibro?

  Thanks.  I always like to learn about natural products that are helping others.

  - manyembers

 

 

 

 


Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/18/2009 8:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I went to my herbal shop nearby and got a different guy. He was a body builder and I talked to him about the joint pains and how I had a hard time doing my job. I could barely function. I couldn't kneel or anything. I've had arthritis since I was 7 and it has taken over most of my body. I have a lot of popping and crunching in my joints. Combine that with the fibro and it got harder and harder to move. He said he tore his knees up and to try the Super Cissus. Within a week I felt much better. It helps to repair muscles, tendons and ligaments.  I went back and he recommended the Boi-Sil for the rebuilding the cartalidge in the joints. In 3 months I have been able to do things I haven't in YEARS. At 55 I can now work circles around the kids I work with.It's a great feeling.
    The only time I seem to need pain meds are at night to help me sleep. I am researching to find an herb that will cope with thatl

Hara
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   Posted 7/19/2009 12:19 AM (GMT -7)   
OMgoodness I am so going to have to find some of this stuff. I am having the same problems and I'm only 40. Maybe it'll take my headaches away to...hummm
 
HARA

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   Posted 7/19/2009 5:54 AM (GMT -7)   

hi,

i have found glucosamine and chondroitin very good when combined adn arnica oil, I use one called athro bath oil, in the bath, is soooo relieveing.

Has anyone heard of 5htp, it's some kind of supplement good for muscles but i haven't sourced it in ireland yet.

Also, capsules if you can as tablet form is too hard for some fibromites to digest.

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Sherrine
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   Posted 7/19/2009 6:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Please check with your doctor and your pharmacist before starting anything new.  Many herbs interact with medication and you could be in trouble.  Just because someone in a health food store recommends it, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they are talking about.  I had a neighbor who knew nothing about health foods, vitamins, and herbs, but got a job at one of these stores.  Sure makes me wonder!  That being said, there are herbs that can help.  You do need to be careful of St. John's Wort.
 
Nana Monster, I'm glad you are getting relief.
 
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Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/19/2009 3:27 PM (GMT -7)   
That's the beauty...I only take darvacet and once in a while flexoril. I've gotten off everything else. I was on topril for low heart rate and I got into Co Q 10 and it upped my heart rate and got the rythem under control. I take Colostrum (bovine breast milk), hylaronic acid and the Co Q  10.  My herbal advisor had me take bromelain and gluc/chondrotion. I was on that for quite a few years until the fibro kicked me hard and heavy.  I also noticed that the healing ability was much greater on them too. With the Super Cissus and Bio-Sil there are NO side effects. I know that if you go on the web site it seems to be designed for male weight lifters but I was told that with women it seems to take effect much faster..

American Woman
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   Posted 7/19/2009 6:13 PM (GMT -7)   
I have had arthritis for 34 years and was just diagnosed with fibro. the arthritis is the worst in my knees which have to be replaced in the near future. I am going to check on the Super Cissus and the Bio Sil. I have a very hard time with medications, so I am willing to try herbal relief. I will chek with my doctor first because I am on other meds. Thanks for the info.

manyembers
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   Posted 7/19/2009 9:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow. That is so neat that you happened to meet the body builder dude. lol! These products sounds like a great find. I havn't ever taken meds. for fibro but I need to be very strict with diet and rest, and also take herbal supplements. I'm managing alright, but am still hoping to do even better so always like to learn of what natural remedies are helping others. Thank-you very much for sharing this information. I think it's definitely worth following up on.

I tried 5-HTP. It seemed to help for awhile with pain and depression. But when I tried it again this year I didn't notice any difference. It is recommended for fibro. though. It helps boost seratonin levels.

Oh, St. John's wort was mentioned. I tried that, but had quite the 'hangover' effect on it, though everyone is different. I know some people use melatonin and it works really well for htem, but I have heard it is not something that should be used long term.

Sherrine is right of course - good to make sure none of the meds. will interact with the herbs. My doctor is cool - he's very open to herbs and I run my supplements by him. Not everyone has a doc. like that, but a call to the pharmacist can do, although on occasion the pharmacists I've called aren't familiar with the herbs I'm taking. Anyway, I'm rambling. So time to close.

All the best to everyone for health and healing,

manyembers

Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/20/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Manyembers,
     I started on CMO this morning to go with the super cissus and bio-sil as it too is a joint rebuilder. I only took one and will take another before bed with my nite dose of the cissus. I did a kava-kava  before  bed last night and slept good except for when I banged my knee on the side of the waterbed frame. I did a really stupid thing and fell off my front steps a couple of days ago. The herbs are helping to rebuild the damage fast as I landed on the knee they did the ortho on.
I'm hoping to  be as good as new in a few more days.
 
                                         Nana Monster

Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/21/2009 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
American Woman,
    Thanks for tuning me in. I had ortho on my left knee in Nov of last year. I had torn maniscus, torn cartalidge, chrondo
himma himma (crunching of the bones from wear), baker's cyst, arthritis and fibro. They "fixed" 3 out of the 6.  Unfortunately when the doc was done somehow I was in worse pain than ever......and to top it off the right side of the knee where the scope went in is now offset.  They wanted to go in and do the other knee as it was crunching badly too. I'm so glad I put it off. Like I said I've been on these herbs for 3 months now and the crunching is almost gone in the knee.
My shoulder popping and neck crunching is diminished. I haven't taken any painkillers in 4 days now and it seems to be getting better by the day. I'm going to try my best friend on them to see if it will bring her any relief. Good luck with your knees.       
                                                  Nana Monster

manyembers
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   Posted 7/21/2009 9:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh NM, I'm so sorry to hear you fell! I hope your knees are feeling better in no time!

take gentle care of you and have a speedy recovery!
manyembers

Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/22/2009 9:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Manyembers,
     thanks for caring. Luckily I have 11 days vacation starting today so hopefully without carrying around all of the extra weight at work will make a difference. I've noticed my joints feel "lighter" in the last few days. 5 days now without painkillers. Let's keep it up!!! The good thing is the Super Cissus has a natural painkiller while it rebuilds the joints. I'm taking 5-6 a day. 2 when I get up (with a bio-sil and cmo), 1 on my first break, 1 on my lunch (with  bio-sil), then 2 before bed with cmo)

Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/23/2009 6:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Just an update. I have hit day 7 without painkillers. My neck and shoulders are a little achy due to the weather front moving in. It's been raining off and on for the last 2 days. My second day of vacation and I've ripped a lot of my house apart.My knee, the one I was stupid enough to fall on, is slowly feeling better. I have another week off and it should be as good as new when I get back to work.   Hopefully in a couple of days I'll be able to hang sheetrock. I'm teaching my grandaughter who's 12 how to do it.'
She has shown signs of arthritis for about 4 years now and recently her joints are starting to pop.  I'm going to ask the herbal guy (the body builder) how he thinks the boi-sil would work for her. I don't want to see her end up like me. I hope if we can work on it now it'll never happen to the progression I've lived through. Mine started in my feet when I was 7 where hers seems to be more in the upper body, with the neck, shoulders and arms effected.

manyembers
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   Posted 7/23/2009 10:52 PM (GMT -7)   
 
  Hi NM,
 
  I'm so glad you came here to share your story.  You can bring HOPE to so many!  I told my husband today about you working 12 hour shifts, and we shared a "wow" moment together.  Way to go!
 
  A diet that is free of foods that are "toxic" - i.e. white sugar, white flour, and low in mucous forming foods - dairy etc. can go a long way in staving off pain as well.  And adding fresh and lightly steamed veggies.  That might be something that also might help your gd keep her body strong and give it the materials it needs to stave off any progression of symptoms you noted.   I have found with fibro. that detoxification - liver herbs - and other foods/supplements that help the digestive/detoxification functions has helped me a lot. 
 
  I just wondered, did the person that recommended the Super Cissus and Bio Sil mention anything as to whether or not these supplements would need to be taken on an ongoing basis?  I know a lot of the time with supplements, they say to do larger doses in teh beginning and then stay on a lower maintenance dose.  So just wondering if these products are needed for ongoing support since this is a chronic condition rather than a sports injury (which would be a temporary application)?
 
  Hope you continue to feel better and better!  yeah
 
  manyembers

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   Posted 7/24/2009 1:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Manyembers,
     The brochure says to start with 3 3x a day with the super cissus, then taper off to maintenance. With the bio-sil, it says 1-2 a day. I do about 6 of the super and 2 of the bio. Seems to do the trick.
     The 12 hour days are checking trays and unloading/ putting away breakfast dishes. checking trays and racking all of the lunch dishes. If I do a night shift, I try to do the porter job, which consists of sometimes cooking, cleaning, taking out trash, sweeping and mopping and general helping out.
     I found out today that a physical therapist friend is pretty sure when I fell I created a lypoma tumor on the left side of my knee. Stupid thing to do. Well, I guess it's time to get out the lipo-trim again. It helps to disolve them.
     What do you use for a liver cleanse? I've never tried it. Anything to help.
                                         Thanks,
 
                                                 Nana Monster

manyembers
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   Posted 7/24/2009 7:57 PM (GMT -7)   

 

  Hey NM - Oh you are not stupid.  Just sucks that you fell, but not your fault.  You'll be better soon again.

  For the liver cleanse, I have been taking chinese bitters that I get from the sensiblehealth web-site.  And then I also took gold coin grass which softens gall stones.  Then I did a gall bladder flush, - olive oil and lemon juice - it's outlined on their web-site.  And a liver freindly diet.  I e-mailed them a gazillion times as I wanted to make sure this was something my body would handle well etc.  After I did the gall bladder flush, a lot of the upper body pain went away, the soles of my feet stopped hurting, my energy was better.  The liver cleanse worked to get rid of brain fog (unless I go on a sugar fest...which sometimes does occur!)  These things also resulted in much improved sleep. 

  They say to take 1/4 tsp. of the liver cleanse and work up to 1 tsp. a day.  I am so sensitive to these things, I had to start with one drop every 2-3 days!  Then just stayed at 1/4 tsp.  The thing is the liver cleanse will help the liver detoxify, so like any cleanse you want to go nice and slow so your body doesnt' get overwhelmed by all the backed up toxins the body is clearing out.

  I also stick to a moderate version of the candida diet and this keeps my pain levels down also.

  Take good care of yourself.  

  embers

 

 



Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/25/2009 1:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Embers,
   Thanks for the advice,I'll check into it. I know that with candida I usually use acidepholis. I don't use a whole lot of sugar stuff but I do like my bread products. I have about a soda a week and stick to water, coffee or tea (straight).
I used to have a lot of problems with yeast infections, tonsilitis and the smoe that goes with it but I found Usnea. It is fermented tree lichen. Smells bad but it works. It's the only thing I haven't been able to find in pill form.
     I had a physical therapist look at my knee and sure enough I popped out a lypoma tumor on the side. It's big enough to press on the nerves in my leg. I've still got a week of vacation left so it should subside by the time I get back to work. I've just got to find my bottle of Lipo-Trim which helps to disolve them.
                                         Nana Monster

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   Posted 7/26/2009 6:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Just an update. Day 9 without prescription or otc painkillers. Even though this is my vacation, I wake up a 4 and the body decides....Hey why aren't you going to work? Usually I get right up and going. This morning I was kind of achy as this is day 5 of the rain. Gotta love those fronts. I took my morning dose of 2 super cissus (they have a built in pain killer while they repair damage to joints), jumped in the hot shower and went back to sleep. I want to see how long I can hold out without taking anything other than my herbals. I hope others try this stuff. I can't get over how well it works. I've taken no prescription stuff in over 2 weeks.
   
My neighbor was diagnosed with fibro over 15 years ago. She is out of work once again. She told me she would work for about an hour and then couldn't manage any more than that. Next time I get paid I'm going to get her a months worth to see how it would help her. I know she's seen the difference in me and I think she's is finally willing to go for it.
 
Do many of you have  super sensitivity in the muscles? It used to be if I used my fingers and lightly pushed (to massage)
my legs it would hurt a lot. Now I can push down hard and it doesn't bother me. Another weird side effect is I had a large calcium deposit on my thumb and is almost gone. The Cissus and bio-sil is the only difference I've done.

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   Posted 7/26/2009 7:27 PM (GMT -7)   

I am very glad these altenative meds are helping you but as Sherrine said, you should always check with your doctor before mixing them with other medications.  Just because these things come from plants does not mean they do not have side effects.  Opium comes from a plant.  I tested postive for this once because I ate a salad with poppy seed dressing.  Some herbal teas are loaded with ephedrine...especially the ones that are sold on the internet for losing weight.  St. John's Wort can cause headaches similar to migraines for some people.  I am not saying that alternatives should not be considered...just mentioned to your physican before using them.  Milk Thistle made my brother so sick he had to be hospitalized.

Donna


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Nana Monster
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   Posted 7/26/2009 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Vestabula,
    Sherrine is right in a way. I've been thankful that this is the first year I haven't played slice and dice on my body. It seems every year I've had something, whether it is a lypoma tumor, some female blowout, or last year the knee surgery. I've only been to the doctors once this year and that was for a sinus infection I couldn't kick. I'm chemicle sensitive to smells and I cleaned the dish machine for about  hours inhaling limeaway. First time I've had this bad of a reaction.
    I take no meds at all anymore. I didn't want to try St. John's as it makes you sun sensitive and summer is my season for pushmowing my lawn. I didn't want to burn. I did try Kava Kava, it helped me to sleep a little but wasn't really worth the bother as it can do liver and kidney damage. Gonna chuck that stuff out.
    I was diagnosed with low heart rate after my heart cath 6 years ago. I was already doing colustrum and hylaronic acid and my heart specialist told me to try Co. Q 10. It took my heart rate up and I no longer have chest pains (stress induced).'
I found with them I healed a lot faster.
     For sinus infections it's either echinacea/goldenseal, marshmallow root, or slippery elm and fennugreek and thyme.
     For yeast infections or tonsilitis I did acidepholidis or usnea (had my tonsils out at 49)
     For poison ivy, infantago, ringworm, scabies or rashes use black walnut hulls.
 
most days I take the super cissus, bio-sil, co q 10, colustrum, hylaronic acid, radiance (multi), hair vitimans, extra b's,
cmo and vit e
 

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   Posted 7/26/2009 10:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey NM,

I was curious where you heard about kava kava causing kidney and liver damage?  Was there more than just one case?  Just curious as I've heard this was just one case, and who knows how the person was using the herb for this to happen.  Anyway, always good to be careful and only use what we feel safe trying!  I've also stayed away from it because of this, but I am really not convinced that this is correct information...even though it is what has been presented as fact. 
 
  Hi Vestabula,  good points!  I hope your brother is okay now!
 

Post Edited (manyembers) : 7/26/2009 11:30:16 PM (GMT-6)


manyembers
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   Posted 7/26/2009 10:32 PM (GMT -7)   
PS - What brand of Q10 are you using NM? I like the acidophilus with bifidis and FOS by FDA Labs.

embers

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   Posted 7/27/2009 4:57 AM (GMT -7)   

Hi...Sherrine is not right 'in a way'...she is right period.  So many of us are on medications for other disorders that can interact with herbal supplements and vitamins.  More than 400IU's of vitamin E can raise blood pressure significantly.  Kava Kava, taken as a 'natural' supplement for anxiety and depression can cause skin lesions, mania, heart irregularities and many other things including liver damage if the stems are ground up in the mixture.  There is a sign in our local health food store in the herbal supplement section.  It reads "We're safe, we're natural...we're plants'.

Many narcotics are derived from plants as are other prescsription drugs.  It is just wise to not start a regime of herbs without checing with your doctor to make sure they will not interact...that's all I am saying.

Manymembers...sadly my brother died two years ago from Hep C.  He took a cocktail of saw  palmetto, mik thistle and several other herbs in a last ditch attempt to help his condition.  The milk thistle did not kill him but his liver could not filter out the toxins and he blew up like the Michelin Man.

Huggies

Donna


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Sherrine
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   Posted 7/27/2009 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
You need to let your doctors know what medications, over-the-counter medications, and vitamins you are taking.  Herbs can interact with all of that.  You have to be VERY careful.
 
Here are two links to sites that have good info about herbs.  Please read.  We want to keep you as healthy as possible. 
 
 
 
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