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TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 9:37 AM (GMT -7)   
I think my first ever post here was about dental work needing to be done. Some of you know, I was able to secure dental insurance that will cover 30% of the crown work I need done - effective finally now in August. A month ago, I got an infection - was put on antibiotics for 17 days. Then although the infection looked gone, the dentist said stay off the antibiotics to make sure the infection really doesn't come back. Then we'll work on that tooth. In between time, I've managed to get all kinds of sick - some related to after effects of the med, some totally unrelated. Well, today the dentist had me come back AGAIN to make sure the infection was gone - did all new x-rays and a cleaning. He said it is now safe to work on the tooth any time I want to schedule it. Great, right? Wrong! He said I have to come up with the total amount that the insurance won't cover BEFORE the procedure. That will be about $700. :( I'm so crestfallen. He told me in an earlier appointment that they'd do whatever necessary to make me feel better again. I thought that meant he'd take payments. Now he says, "money up front." I know it took me over a year to pay off my last bill with him - and they're not happy with that, but geez, I'm stuck.

So frustrated with life today. So frustrated.

Still not able to eat well due to last week's viral infection. Even if I could eat from the intestinal problem - those two broken teeth make it really hard to chew. Still dealing with that hemorrhoid issue - but thankfully it isn't bleeding anymore. Still dealing with the typical fibro symptoms. Trying like mad to get a work project (self employed) launched that might earn some money - but with being sick ALL the freakin' time I can't get ahead on it.

F r u s t r a t e d !! confused shocked smhair

PS: Oh - and icing on the cake - I canceled my introductory rheumy appointment last week because I was supposedly contagious. So that puts me behind in getting a confirmation for my disability application. What REALLY made me feel an inch tall was when my dentist was talking about how when people are handed everything in life, they just turn into a real mess - specifically people who are solely supported by the government. He doesn't even know I'm applying for disability - and I'm sure not going to tell him! He's really nice guy and competent dentist in all other ways.
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

Post Edited (TheChickenPrincess) : 8/3/2010 10:49:28 AM (GMT-6)


crazykitty
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   Posted 8/3/2010 10:03 AM (GMT -7)   
"When it rains, it pours"...Don't you just hate it! It is frustrating, sometimes it
does feel like you can't catch a break...one thing on top of another, piling on.
Today is your day to get it all out! It feels good to let it fly...a good release! Go ahead
and scream AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! feels good doesn't it.

I'm sorry you are feeling crummy and hope all these bad things resolve themselves.
We are all here for eachother and boy do I wish I had a magic wand for al lof us.

I have been having crazy dental issues going on for a couple of years now and things
are not resolved yet. Differant treatments are still being discussed by oral surgeon,
dentist and my rheumy. One thing illness makes you do is... wait. We are always
waiting for something. If waiting teaches us patience, we must be the most patient
people around, lol.

Know that you are in my prayers, sending a gentle hug!

hugs, Robin
Fibromyalgia, MCTD (Lupus, Scleroderma & RA) Raynaud's, Osteoporosis,
Osteoarthritis, Degenerative Disc Disease, Migraines, and Hypertension
Prescription Meds: Savella, Cyclobenzaprine, Methotrexate, Diltiazem, Boniva,
Folic Acid.  OTC Meds: Multi-vitamin. Vit, D, Vitamin B12 & calciim supplements
 
 

TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
It does feel good to get it off my chest, thanks, Robin. Growling and getting angry sometimes feel useful!

So sorry to learn you've been having a go-round with dental issues. If you're comfortable saying - what is it? Sounds like it must be tougher than what I'm trying to work on. *hugs*

Patience - yes - oh yes! Waiting - waiting - and waiting some more. I'd say we should all be saints, but my language has been a little blue over these recent things so they may not let me in. LOL
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

AustenFan
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   Posted 8/3/2010 10:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Uggghh. I so feel for you. I went through a 3 year period when I kept having to have root canals and crowns. I could have bought a small car with all of the money I spent, not to mention the pain and suffering. mad

Have you looked into any of the dental financing companies? Here is an article from the ADA discussing financing treatment:

http://www.ada.org/news/4120.aspx

It's actually written for the doctors, but it does give some good info.

I'm so sorry you are feeling so bad. Everything always seems to happen at once. sad I hope you are feeling better soon and you are able to get the treatment you need.

Hugs - Austen
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Post Edited (AustenFan) : 8/3/2010 11:46:27 AM (GMT-6)


crazykitty
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   Posted 8/3/2010 11:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Princess, you asked about my dental issues...

My dental issues... teeth breaking off at the gum line (could be autoimmune stuff)
I have had bridges, a partial and now can't wear my partial because another tooth
came out, it is not decayed. Problem...I have been on Boniva for 8 years now.
Boniva is a bisphosphonate. My oral surgeon does not want to pull any teeth. He is
concerned that I'm a potential candidate for BRONJ( bisphosonate related, osteo-
necrosis of the jaw...meaning bone death. He is afraid that the bone will not heal.
To make matters more complicated...I have Tori....Non malignant bony growths
inside my lower jaw on both sides. I could not wear false teeth unless these are also
removed, causing the same concern as teeth removal. I'm in limbo.

I have severe osteoporosis and it has gotten worse. The oral surgeon says get off
the bisphosonates and my rheumy wants me to continue but do an infusion.
Don't know what is up. I see the rheumy next week!

Hugs,Robin
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Osteoarthritis, Degenerative Disc Disease, Migraines, and Hypertension
Prescription Meds: Savella, Cyclobenzaprine, Methotrexate, Diltiazem, Boniva,
Folic Acid.  OTC Meds: Multi-vitamin. Vit, D, Vitamin B12 & calciim supplements
 
 

TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 11:21 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh, Robin! I'm only slightly familiar with those osteoporosis meds that cause jaw and bone problems. My mom was given Myacalcin spray for her osteoporosis and fractured spine. Then the doctor said, "you could get a once a year infusion instead" which is reclast, I believe. If it hadn't been for her hygienist mentioning that some of those meds cause the exact problems you're mentioning, she would have just gone ahead with changing meds. She's decided to stay with her myacalcin spray because it doesn't cause the same dental issues - even if it is inconvenient having to spray it once a day. Sending gentle hugs your way. I can see how it would be frustrating knowing which thing is more right than the other. I hope soon this will be resolved and they can give you better alternative meds. There must be something out there.

*hugs* again!

Austen - so sorry about your dental work too. It is so expensive, isn't it? I bet you could have bought a car with that money, easily. Thanks for the link, I'm going to check it out. Worth looking! After this more urgent crown, I need a second one, and then two fillings.

Separate note - I overheard a convo of the patient before me with the dentist. Turns out he needs 2 crowns also. He and his wife were complaining that they'd just gone to that chain dental group called Aspen, and they tried to give him a treatment plan that would pull all of the man's teeth, and then give him dentures - to the tune of $15-grand! His wife was told she'd need $5K worth of work. With my dentist, he said there is no need to pull the other healthy teeth - and those two are easily saved with crowns. $2000-$2500 is a lot less than $15K and he'll keep his teeth. I've read horror stories in online reviews about Aspen, but this was my first in-person story that I've heard. The dentist said he has gotten countless patients who tried Aspen's introductory deals - who then come to him to fix them up. Be careful of dental chains, I guess.
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

sotiredoffibro
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   Posted 8/3/2010 11:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow Princess, he wants you to come with 700.00 right away. I dont know what good insurance is if you still have to pay that much. I just refuse to go to a dentist. We dont have dental insurance. I still have my teeth though(keeping fingers crossed). lol
I also dont understand how they think people can pay that much up front. Its ridiculous, that they seem to think everyone has that much money sitting around.
I dont blame you for venting and I hope that you find a way soon to get the help you need.
Gentle Hugs
Shirley
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TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 4:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for understanding, Shirley. Yeah, it is a whole lot to come up with, at least for me. I'll just have to figure out how.

As for the dental insurance, I think all insurance needs to be overhauled. *shakes head*

My day went a bit worse after this. Can you believe it? I had a client call and read me the riot act that I charged them too much. *eye roll* Long story - but I'm sticking to my guns - they've used my good nature too many times over the years, I'm done rolling over like a dog.

A side note - I told my b/f what the dentist said about people getting too much for free etc. and he thinks it was a direct jab at me taking too long to pay off my last bill. I'm thinking now of some rude remarks he made about poor people, and I didn't piece it together before, but I think my b/f is right. Grr. *shakes head* Like I chose this life?
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

Sherrine
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   Posted 8/3/2010 5:07 PM (GMT -7)   
You didn't choose to have finacial difficulties but I sure would choose another dentist...one with compassion.  I posted for you the "pact" that dentists swore to live by a month or so ago...it's like the Hippocratic Oath that medical doctors have to swear by.  This dentist forgot what he promised to do.  You are willing to pay when you can and you DID pay your last bill as fast as you could.  I'd report him, too. 
 
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MinnyMouse
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   Posted 8/3/2010 5:21 PM (GMT -7)   
You know, I get tired of hearing that (the people that get everything handed to them) Crap. I'm sure these people don't know the half of what we are suffering with on a daily basis and if they had to handle it they would not, could not... Financial difficulties seem to go with the territory when your ill, insuranced dropping your policies, benefits not coming in, too sick to work and people just need to put a sock in it.

I really hope you find a dentist that can show a little compassion and help you get the care you need.
Gentle hugs , Take care.
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TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 5:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Sherrine. I'm going to go read that again. Last week, before I got sick, I did some calling around to the other dentists again. None of them will let a new patient have a payment plan - every single one of them insists on payment up front - even when you have insurance, some of them make you sait to be reimbursed by the insurance company. No kidding. And, they're more expensive for the same procedure than this guy. It is a serious bummer - but he really is my only choice. The saving grace is that he is competent in his dental work. I'm just going to have to tough it out (and probably gripe a lot as I go through it.)

Oh - and I think I figured out why he keeps the dragon lady - I believe it may be his sister. That explains it. *eye roll*
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

TheChickenPrincess
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   Posted 8/3/2010 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Oops, Minny, We crossed posts. Thank you. I think that's the perfect way to put it - they need to put a sock in it!
Why my username? It is real life nickname. I love chickens. Will have my flock of hens one day! :D .............. DX'd with Fibromyalgia, chronic hives, sensitivities and allergies, migraines with auras, tmj, and IBS. Not sure what else!

Dagger
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   Posted 8/3/2010 7:51 PM (GMT -7)   
If you have a competent dentist - stick with him. A bad dentist makes everything worse and ends up costing a fortune. We need dental reform next. They are finding that many health problems are connected to our teeth and gums yet it is almost impossible for low income people to get good, affordable dental work.

I need well over $10,000.00 in work and that's the price with insurance. I have terrible credit so I can't get on any of the dental credit plans.

One of my front teeth is very discolored and bleach won't help. I got so excited when the dentist said he could put a veneer on it for only $600.00. I was really considering it until he told me that, of course, I'd need veneers on 6 of my front teeth so they all match. Sure, my $600 solution would only cost $3,600 and that doesn't include the bridge, crowns, and fillings.


Good luck with this.

KellieJo
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   Posted 8/3/2010 8:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry to hear this personally I think medical/dental care is overpriced and yes some of the professionals understand that but many don't. I understand equipment/degrees/insurance costs a pretty penny..........Oh so stopping right there can go on a rant....... :o)
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Acheybody
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   Posted 8/3/2010 8:17 PM (GMT -7)   
These are dark times we're living in ..... what ever happened to the idea of helping one another?  I'm sorry you're having to go through so much crap just to have your teeth worked on - (kind of a basic need, teeth!)
 
I don't have any bright ideas to add, Princess, but I do feel for you...
 
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AustenFan
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   Posted 8/4/2010 5:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow, dental problems seem to be a common theme among us. I wonder if it is age related (although I'm only in my early 40's), fibro related, or a combination of things.

Princess, I've always been told, too, that it is better to save your natural teeth if possible (which, of course, isn't always possible or feasible) even by dentists who don't stand to make any money off of it. I hope that poor man didn't go ahead with the $15K pull all of his teeth plan. Even if dentures were in fact the best way to go for him, it should have cost way less than that. I hate to see people taken advantage of. mad

I hope you can get things worked out because I know what a trial dental problems can be. It always amazes me that my teeth can cause me so much pain and cost so much to treat. I mean they are just TEETH for goodness sakes. Fixing one tooth (with a root canal and crown) costs more than my last surgery. I mean, I realize there is lots of skill involved, but again, geez, it's a TOOTH. eyes

Hugs - Austen
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   Posted 8/4/2010 6:33 AM (GMT -7)   
10 years ago (almost) I finally got braces on my teeth at the age of 40.  I needed 2 baby molars pulled and would need 4 bridges to replace the gaps. 
 
If my dentist many years ago would have done a full x-ray I just might not have needed the braces due to crowding.  ANYWAYS......I agreed on 500.00 per month CASH only which was doable at the time as we had a rental property paying that amount.  I forget the total cost of the braces and 2 bridges (I can't the thought of 2 more) but I think it was about 5 K.  I went one time with a check for 500.00 which they would not apply so I had it applied to my regular account.
 
I recently had a relapse of my brace work and had to get a different upper thingy (can't remember the name of it)  But I do know that my credit is OVER on their books and am afraid to ask what I owe, so I know how you feel.
 
I attribute my lack of real problems to my mom who made sure we went to the dentist cause I don't have good teeth by any means.
 
OH yea, the wisdom teeth are still there but horizontal aimed at my back molars.  I just hope those buggars don't decide to move.

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EML
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   Posted 8/4/2010 7:39 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm so sorry CP

I know that really sucks.
Yep, with the way the economy is you would think that they would work with people on payments.
It's really sad.
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