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Sherrine
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   Posted 12/17/2014 11:33 AM (GMT -6)   
I locked the original Diet and Food Discussions since it was getting so long. I should have locked it once it passed 3 pages but I didn't realize there were so many posts on it. If you want to go back and check the first thread, just click on the link below and it will take you there.

www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=24&m=2898598

For the newbies, we keep all diet and food discussions in this thread. The fibro forum was beginning to be a food forum so we had to do this. It's good, too, because you can read all the info in one spot and don't have to go searching!

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Sherrine
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   Posted 12/17/2014 11:48 AM (GMT -6)   
PICKLES AND GREEN OLIVES! Goodness! What a weird first sentence! I started craving Kosher dill pickles and greem olives back in October. I rarely ate these and didn't have any in the house. I bought some and started eating them, but rinsing them off to get rid of some of the sodium.

I started having really good days with fibro! I also found that my blood sugar (I'm diabetic) was lower, too. I didn't put two and two together until last month. I started wondering why I was doing so well. After all, the only thing I was doing differently was eating dill pickles and olives. I googled it and pickles and olives help with pain and the olives also help with diabetes! I was amazed and had no idea.

Some people with arthritis use pickles to help with pain and the thing in green olives that makes them a little bitter acts like ibuprofen.

Winter is my worst time of the year. The cold weather does a number on me and I'm usually taking 2,400 mg of ibuprofen and 4,000 mg of Tylenol each day just to be remotely comfortable. Now I am taking 1,200 mg of ibuprofen and sometimes 1,000 mg of Tylenol and feel much, much better! When the weather was warmer, I was only taking 600 mg. of ibuprofen and no Tylenol. (I need to take ibuprofen because I have ankylosing spondylitis and I don't want that to flare up.)

So, I wanted to let you all know about this.

Sherrine

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RA+CDhouse
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   Posted 12/20/2014 11:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Really? Sorry but I did a little LOL when reading that just now...but you know what, I do love pickles and olives so they are going on my shopping list for this week. Even if they don't help with the pain, at least my sandwiches and salads will have a little extra kick in them :)

theresa

Sherrine
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   Posted 12/22/2014 5:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Theresa, I've been laughing about it for a couple of months! I never ate pickles and olives before but was only satisfying a craving. I still don't know why I craved them in the first place.

I always would have to take ibuprofen and Tylenol in the middle of the night but now I don't plus I only take them once or twice a day along with my muscle relaxer. I can't believe it either. I've had fibro for 27 years and have never taken so little for pain.

I also would have to take an insulin shot before dinner but now I don't need it! My blood sugar was going way too low once I started eating the pickles and olives so I stopped the insulin injection. My blood sugar is great without it.

Google it and you will see for yourself. That's how I figured it out. This is from the Livestrong.com site.....

"Anti-Inflammatory Phytochemicals
Olives and olive oil reduce inflammation, a culprit blamed for chronic diseases such as arthritis, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. A compound in olives called oleocanthal prevents the body from making inflammatory enzymes -- the same way non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs work, according to "Arthritis Today." As a result, pain and sensitivity may diminish. Strongly-flavored olive oils, like those from Tuscany, have the highest level of oleocanthals."

Some people drink pickle juice for pain relief but I won't do that because of the sodium. So, I rinse both the pickles and olives with water before I eat them. This reduces the sodium.

As always, everything in moderation. I only will eat two serving of each a day but that seems to be enough. I might drop down to one serving a day in a month or two and see how I am. Right now I'm happy as a clam.

Here is a good link about olives.

www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=46

Sherrine
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Post Edited (Sherrine) : 12/13/2015 4:49:32 AM (GMT-7)


Ljm2014
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   Posted 12/22/2014 10:13 PM (GMT -6)   
Sherrine,

What is a serving size of pickles and olives? Glad you are feeling well and able to take less meds, always a blessing : )

Sherrine
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   Posted 12/22/2014 10:15 PM (GMT -6)   
Depends on what you buy. It tells you on the bottles what a serving size is.

Thank you! I'm sure happy about it.

Sherrine

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couchtater
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   Posted 12/23/2014 12:24 AM (GMT -6)   
I love pickles and can eat dills like candy, but I have to watch the sodium too. I'm on lasix due to retaining fluid all of the time. My ankles look like footballs.

I'm not an olive fan though. :-p
Joy
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Pick them up and throw them right back at them! :))

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   Posted 12/25/2014 7:00 PM (GMT -6)   
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   Posted 12/27/2014 11:20 PM (GMT -6)   
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   Posted 1/3/2015 11:42 PM (GMT -6)   
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Cozy's Mama
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   Posted 1/4/2015 3:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Good thread! Diet is so important, I know I don't have to tell you that. I am a big big sugar junky and I notice as I give in more and more to the compulsion my eyesight has radically declined. My doctor has been telling me I am "borderline" for years and I know for a fact that when I eat less sugar, I feel so much better. Funny how the knowing and the doing can be so opposed.

But I wanted to share that last night I made a big salad for myself, just basic lettuce, tomato, avocado and cucumber, to which I add a bit of pickled ginger and a few calamato (sp?) olives and I woke up in less pain, just feeling better in general.

In general if I stick to a diet of vegetables, meat poultry and fish and eggs I do so much better. The sugar and "white" carbs don't help me at all.

Great tip about the olives and pickles, I had no idea and will definitely be doing more of that!
disco queen, wild child, and radio broadcast professional, diagnosed 30 years ago with fibro and post polio.

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"Hang in there, it does get better".

jkn913
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   Posted 1/4/2015 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
That is interesting about your eyesight going down with sugar....

I know that a good diet is so important, yet I too struggle with it. I did notice last winter when I was fighting a really bad flare, that if I ate some carrots, I would feel better, better than I felt if I didn't eat anything. Our bodies must be starving for vitamins and minerals.

Sherrine
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   Posted 1/4/2015 10:50 AM (GMT -6)   
This is eat2bwell's post.

I have been on a paleo diet since my symptoms of MS. All my symptoms of MS have gone. Diet is the key to all healing. Our bodies get the vitamins and minerals from the food we eat. If the food does not have these we do not get them. When we do not get the vitamins and minerals our bodies need we get disease. I used a detox program to accelerate the healing and did a lot of juicing. The two things you will not get enough of from diet is vitamin D and iodine. You might want to get these two things checked by your doctor. Vitamin D is the sunshine vitamin and we do not get enough sun today. Our soil is depleted of iodine so unless you are eating a lot of sea weed or fish you are most likely deficient. If you are looking to have a child research the importance of iodine on child development. It is very important in having a healthy baby.[\blue]
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Sherrine
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   Posted 1/4/2015 10:57 AM (GMT -6)   
Diet is not the key to "all" healing! I have Crohn's disease and have had it nearly all my life. It runs in my family. I can't eat away the genes I got.

I'm legally deaf. My nerve endings died. Diet wouldn't have stopped that...again it's genetic.

I could go on and on. I eat a wonderful diet of fresh fruits and veggies, take supplements to add to what I'm getting from my foods, etc. I'm very proactive when it comes to my health but yet I still have these problems.

Curing MS with diet? You most likely had food sensitivities that gave you similar symptoms of MS and that's why you were helped. MS is a disease of the nervous system and it's an autoimmune disease.

Sherrine

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Post Edited (Sherrine) : 1/4/2015 10:02:46 AM (GMT-7)


eat2bwell
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   Posted 1/4/2015 2:49 PM (GMT -6)   
I can only speak from my experience. The last time I was in the emergency room one of the doctors told me I had signs of MS. I didn't know what MS was so I googled it and found there were diets to help people with MS. I started Dr. Swank's diet but I wasn't getting better. I found that people with too many mercury fillings have the same symptoms as MS. I did a detox program which consist of taking large amounts of vitamins and minerals and my symptoms went away. I had too much mercury in my body and the detox got rid of it. That is what vitamins and minerals do. They allow the body to get rid of the toxins. I have a busted ear drum myself. No matter how I eat I cannot repair the ear drum. It is possible to damage the body beyond repair but that doesn't mean we can't try to help our bodies to be healthy. Since you are eating healthy you realize the importance of diet. Not sure what your experience is with diet but since I have been on a diet of mainly fruits and vegetables I do not get sick anymore. Sorry you have so many problems. You might want to read "The Maker's Diet". It tells about how Jordan S. Rubin cured his Crohn's disease with diet. Think all we can do is try different things until we find out what works for us. Anyone with disease should realize the importance of diet. It is the one thing we can do to help our bodies heal.

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   Posted 1/14/2015 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
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Acheybody
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   Posted 1/28/2015 10:38 PM (GMT -6)   
I moved Cozy's Mama's post here - Debbie:




Hey all, Just wanted to share with everyone that about 2 weeks ago I went on a food plan I have used in the past and so glad to report it still works.

I don't like to use the word 'Paleolithic" or "Vegetarian" but I will say it is largely plant based and is in no way pure or perfect.

Every day for my large meal I have a big salad filled with yummy salad stuff such as spring greens, romaine, avocado, artichoke hearts, shredded carrot, grape tomatoes, cucumbers, olives and a little pickled ginger chopped very fine, also chiffonade of basil and mint, hearts of palm, sprouts, bell pepper and so on.

I also add a little chicken or sea food such as shrimp or salmon

I avoid heavy dressing, croutons or cheese but I still do enjoy my chocolate chip cookies and sweets in moderation.

I've also been eating a lot of fruit especially blueberries but all kinds of fruit.

What I've noticed is an increase in energy, sleeping a little better, and less craving for sugars and carbs.

This is pretty miraculous for me, as I am a junk food junky so I thought I would share it with you guys.
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Acheybody
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   Posted 2/7/2015 4:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Replying to Momof2,

I've never been much of a cook (I always want to try pizza for Thanksgiving and my great idea is met with nothing but jeers!) and now that I've got so many physical problems, the realization each night that I have to pull something together never fails to lower my spirits...I'm a vegetarian and my husband isn't, which doesn't help, either.

It's just the 2 of us, though, so it's easier to just do as I please. I put a little more effort into it when we had kids living with us.

So, I'll admit that I shop at the grocery store deli for his meat fairly often, more often than not. If I'm feeling fairly all right I might make him meat loaf or something with chicken breast tenders (like pour soy sauce over them ;) or haul some fish sticks out of the freezer. I figure he could do some of the work and have more variety if he really wanted to - and when he does, he really gets into it and gets creative, unlike me. He says he'll be the cook after he retires - - YAY!

I eat the same thing almost every night, which I know isn't ideal. But when you cut out not only meat, but also whole grains and raw food for the most part (digestive issues) it's hard, especially when you want to follow the path of least resistance! I have canned black beans and cheese in a flour tortilla, rice, and frozen veggies. I'll substitute a potato for the tortilla now and then.

It's easy!

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mishell
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   Posted 2/7/2015 8:35 PM (GMT -6)   
Reply to momof2, I don't eat gluten.

For breakfast I have things like greek yogurt with any kind of berries I have, a hard boiled egg and fruit or a smoothie with greek yogurt, banana, blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, gluten free oatmeal, spinach, a carrot, protein powder, milk and ice.

For lunch and dinner I make easy things like baked chicken, spaghetti (gluten free noodles) or tacos, etc. I add in as many veggies as I can in each meal.

For snacks I have fruit, string cheese, popcorn, sparkling water, etc.

If I don't have a smoothie for breakfast, sometimes I have it for lunch or dinner, etc.

Hopes this helps.
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Momof2nSC
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   Posted 2/7/2015 9:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks Michelle, that does give me some good ideas for my grocery list!😊
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Acheybody
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   Posted 2/7/2015 11:04 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh yes, eggs and English muffins for breakfast, and pb&j sandwiches for lunch. Bananas and prunes are fruits I can eat in moderation without suffering later.

(And I have to have the healthier type of potato chips, coffee and a few chocolate-chip cookies for the sake of my sanity :)

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jkn913
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   Posted 2/8/2015 9:42 AM (GMT -6)   
I have started juicing in the mornings. I usually juice carrots, cucumber and apples. Even if you have digestive problems, or I should say, especially if you have them, juicing is great. It helps me have more energy in the mornings and starts the healing process.

For lunch I try to have a salad or I will bring something home made. I have been cooking 2 or 3 meals on Sundays to get us by during the week as that is easier than trying to cook when I come home from work. Some of the meals I make are:

Tuna casserole. I use potatoes, not noodles and make my own white sauce instead of the 'cream of' soup.
Curry Lentils over Basmatti Rice
Scalloped potatoes, you can add other stuff to this.
Stir Fry - a good way to get those veggies in
Soups of all kind, veggi, chilli, what ever
Enchilada Casserole
and so forth, I also like cooking veggies in coconut milk and curry, and serving over boiled rice noodles

Along with this I have been trying to limit my gluten and sugar, take good vitamins, probiotics and fish oil. I was feeling really good. Then a couple days ago I bought some cookies - I can't believe how bad I felt yesterday. Got pretty sick. Today I still am fighting it somewhat along with the headache. That will teach me. It is really hard to stick to such a strict diet, but, for me anyway, it is so important.

Also, my kids eat meat too so I will cook it for them and I will just eat the side dishes. It has been really hard for me to get those meals done too as sometimes it is all I can do, but by really putting effort into juicing and eating better, I have more energy, feel better and then it isn't as hard.

Momof2nSC
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   Posted 2/8/2015 9:56 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks jkn those are great ideas. I'm so blessed to have a husband that loves to cook. He cooks on Sunday, Monday and Wednesday and then I eat leftovers a lot when he's not here if I can. He's really on board with helping me eat better so that helps lots!! (He's just recently started trying to get it😊)
Betsy

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Sherrine
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   Posted 2/8/2015 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I love to cook but don't cook as much because I'm alone most of the time so it seems like a wasted effort. But I do love a good breakfast. I make omelets, scrambled eggs, or poached eggs for breakfast. I add a slice of toast and fresh fruit...always strawberries and either grapes or cherries, depending what is in season. I do boil eggs up on Sunday for my daughter and make one extra for me. If I'm in more of a hurry, I'll toast and butter an English muffin, add salt and pepper, slice the egg and layer it on the muffin. This is my version of an Egg McMuffin. I then pop it in the toaster oven for a minute or two so the egg warms up. Easy! By the way, my cholesterol is excellent and have never found that eggs raise it.

Lunch for me is more a snacky affair. I used to be a huge snack fan but find if I snack a little at lunch, it satisfies that urge. I'll have maybe a nectarine for lunch or a pop corn mini-bag. Sometimes I'll heat up a couple of spoonful of con queso sauce and dip one ounce worth of tortilla chips in it or I dip celery in a sour cream onion dip.

Dinner. On Mondays and Tuesdays my daughter comes for dinner. I double everything that I make. This gives me left-overs plus lunches for her. It really doesn't take much more effort to do this.

When I make casseroles, I double the recipe too. I have two 1 1/2 qt. casserole dishes. One of the dishes I spray with Pam and the other I open a Baggie plastic bag and put inside that dish. (The Baggies were the first plastic bags and they come with twist ties. I use them for quite a few things!). Then I load the food in the casseroles, cook one for dinner and freeze the other. I twist the bag shut and freeze overnight. The I take the dish out, remove the frozen casserole, remove the Baggie, and then vacuum seal it. It will keep for up to two years in the freezer this way! If you don't have a vacuum sealer, you can leave it in the Baggie and put the whole thing in a freezer bag. This way you aren't keeping your dish occupied forever. :smile/wink: When it's time to cook the casserole, I just take it out of the plastic, spray Pam in the original dish and pop it in the dish.

I have a tuna casserole, hamburger noodle casserole, and a meatloaf in my big freezer. I've done this with rigatoni casserole and chicken divan, too. So. If I'm not having a good day, I still can have a good dinner for my daughter and all I have to do is is add a veggie or salad. This makes life easy for me.

Sherrine

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Sherrine
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   Posted 3/4/2015 4:03 PM (GMT -6)   
This is Anna's post asking about diets and fibro.

Sherrine


Has anyone tried that.. diet or healthy lifestyle to get better and reduce the pain?
I have been looking into it. A lot of good comments about it. They say it helped their fatigue and pain.

Anyone? :)

I hope you're having a good day despite the fibro!
<3
Anna
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