Protein Suggestion

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CaryF
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   Posted 4/8/2008 1:17 PM (GMT -7)   
I have often wondered how much protein is the "right" amount for me and asked my heptologist today. He said protein intake should be increased with cases of muscle loss or wasting. Otherwise, folks with liver disease should limit it to 5-10% of their daily caloric intake. I believe my personal lack of protein intake has kept my Hep C in check and I've not had a single bout of confusion or "brain fog" since I have been practising this reduced intake. I eat no red meat. Protein is the most difficult thing for the liver to processs and it makes sense to me that limiting it would take stress off any liver. 
 
Hope this helps some other folks who are wondering the same thing. 
 
Best, Cary

1Shelly1
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   Posted 4/8/2008 5:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Cary, it's so interesting that you have brought this up. I have been researching the protein issue and liver disease a lot lately as so many people ask about it. There seems to be essentially two theories about protein intake. The first maintains that protein should be limited because the liver can't process the protein and therefore creates more symptoms which worsen overtime. The second theory maintains that the body requires protein to survive and decreasing the amount of protein causes muscle wasting, blood issues, etc. The second also contends that there is little difference in symptoms and progression of liver disease when patients ingest adequate amounts of the daily requirements. The two groups refer to each other as "OLD SCHOOL" and "NEW SCHOOL". I think that if the lowered protein intake works for you (or anyone) then that's what you should do. You know your own body better than anyone so if you feel better now then continue to do what is right for you. If someone else has a higher protein diet and they feel well then that's what they should do. I'm not entirely sure which theory is correct or more right then the other. Just adding my 2 cents worth but this is a good topic.
 Shelly
 

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Mischa
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   Posted 4/8/2008 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
just came back from St Lukes in houston, the dietician told me to feed my husband as much of whatever he wanted, the higher fat/calorie/protein the better as he is losing weight drastically, 9 lbs in the last 7 days, (The body will pull protein that it require from wherever it can, if not food then muscle) she also increased his salt intake from under 1000 to an even 2000, reasoning being, if it is bland and he will not eat it, we have to do something to make him eat, I still have to stick with low sodium but can go as high as 2000 g and not over.He was at 185 2 months ago, is now 139 and still losing, that is the weight BEFORE the para and thora on thursday so it will be even lower :(

1Shelly1
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   Posted 4/8/2008 7:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Mischa. has he tried Mrs. dash on his food? I know alot of people who do and really like it as a seasoning.
 Shelly
 

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frustrated_n_wv
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   Posted 4/9/2008 3:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Mischa

Shelly is totally right. Mrs Dash is wonderful. I use it all the time. There are several styles to choose from original, spicey, etc so depending on what you are eatting or cooking you can add different flavors. It is also does not have that funny taste or after taste that some of the other salt substitutes have. Also it can be taken with aldactone (one of the diruetics that I am on) unlike several of the others. Now like I feel like I have done an advertisement, will wish you good luck with your hubby to eat better.

Lucy

Mischa
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   Posted 4/9/2008 9:15 PM (GMT -7)   
I have the full line of Mrs. Dash in my pantry, I love the stuff. I think his taste buds are burned up from all the years of the cheap wine, MD 20-20 and Thuderbird. He has always been a meat,potato and gravy person, fried foods and tons of salt. He has gotten used to the salt substitute but it just isnt the same.

exhaused
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   Posted 4/19/2008 9:23 PM (GMT -7)   

Well, I also have a take on the salt substitute.  Vandy has preached to us almost to the point of getting mad.  I felt like a school kid in trouble.  Our liver Dr. is allowing 2000 daily of salt.  The nutritionist told us DO NOT cook with salt.  When the meal is done add 1/4 tsp to your plate right before you eat it.  I thought that was really interesting.  Also as far as the protein.  I got so many different opinions.  I think I'm sticking with Vandy.  He said get as much protein in Jerry as I possible can.  Don't worry about amonia.  Just give more lactalose.  The reason being Jerry's muscle mass is totally gone.  Thats why I'm wondering if there is anyone out there that has the same problem.  He loves schrimp so he eats that quit often.  Pretty much NO beef.  We were told to stay away from the salt substitutes because they are packed with potassium.  Something he can not have.  Basically we were told that his body is eating it self.  Is there anyone on this forum that has had a transplant.  If they are willing to share I would like to know what the experience was like. 

 

JoAnn


lavendar
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   Posted 4/20/2008 3:40 AM (GMT -7)   
There have been a couple of times I have craved a hamburger. I really enjoyed it but the following day have had severe brain fog. So I will stick to nuts, grains , soymilk. As for the salt, labs on my sodium have gone up so I have to reduce my salt intake. I can't take any of the salt subs. because the interact with some of my other meds. So I guess it's just low salt for me. june

1Shelly1
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   Posted 4/20/2008 5:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I was curious if a product like Morning Star has a high sodium content or not. If you are unfamiliar with this product it is a meat substitute found in the frozen food section of the grocery store. I used to eat their soy patties when I was a vegetarian many years ago. I ate them on a bun with all the trimmings. I don't have a package here to read the sodium content but it may be worth looking into. One of the problems vegetarians face is inadequate protein intake so meals have to be well planned to include protein that they are not receiving from a meat source. If by any chance the sodium content is low in this product and anyone tries it take my advice and don't think of it as tasting like a meat. They are seasoned and tasty to eat but I could never say it tastes like any meat I have ever eaten. Just have an open mind if you do try it with no preconcieved notions of what it will taste like. Personally, I found them to taste good. I even used the patties to make parmasean. It was great!
 Shelly
 

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lavendar
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   Posted 4/21/2008 1:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Shelly ; I am familar with many kinds of soy products. But you are right you have to have an open mind. After reading some articles about what's in cows milk , I turned to soy milk and really enjoy it. Everything has some sodium. I just need to keep track of my labs. The sodium fluctulates a great deal sometimes low sometimes high. One good thing is my platelets were really low and have started to climb slowly. june
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