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Prayerful
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   Posted 2/2/2009 3:27 PM (GMT -7)   

I am 73 year old male and had my yearly physical on 1/31/09. I called doctor today for results and he said my liver functions were not normal. He wants to do a sonogram tomorrow. He mentioned something about hepatitis. He said everything else was normal. This really has me scared. Can anyone offer any words of wisom to help me get through the night? (Live by myself, no family.)


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   Posted 2/2/2009 4:36 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi, Robert.  Is your doctor planning to test for hep C?  He needs to do a blood test for that, if he hasn't already.  A sonogram will not be able to tell him if you have hepatitis--only specific blood testing can do that.  A sonogram could show growths in your liver.  Have you had any transfusions in the past 40 yrs. or done IV drugs during that time frame?  Those are the usual means of hep C transmission.  Hep B is normally through IV drug use (sharing needles with infected people) or sexual contact with someone infected with B.  Hep B can be cured.  There is treatment for hep C, but it is only effective about 50% of the time.

Abnormal liver enzymes can also be caused by certain medications, overindulgence in alcohol, and several other causes. 

Please come back and post if you are diagnosed with hepatitis or other liver disease.

Good luck!  :-)


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   Posted 2/2/2009 4:44 PM (GMT -7)   
"Have you had any transfusions in the past 40 yrs. or done IV drugs during that time frame?"
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No, and never did drugs. In Sept 2008. I had TUMT (microwave) heat treatment on my prostate. Doctor did blood tests (which he sent to lab) on Saturday, Jan. 31, 2009 which was part of my yearly physical and today he got results and that is when he saw the abnormal liver readings.
I did have pains in my stomach last October, but he said that was intestinal virus. Lasted for a few weeks and then went away. Feel fine now.
This really has me scared.

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   Posted 2/2/2009 5:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Robert and welcome to HealingWell. I know that the waiting is the hardest part. Please try not to worry until you have the sonogram and get the results back. You maybe worrying for nothing.

My thoughts and prays will be with you for a good result tomorrow.
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   Posted 2/2/2009 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Pink Grandma. With tears in my eyes I appreciate and welcome your prayers.
Yes, sometimes the waiting is worse. (After so many other health problems.)
But with no one to talk to, makes it that much harder. Your kind message makes me feel like I've just talked to a family member or friend.
 
Bob

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   Posted 2/2/2009 6:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Welcome to the forum Bob. I agree with Pink Grandma. Please try not to worry. At least until you know what you are dealing with. Then arm yourself with knowledge. Knowledge and a positive attitude can really help. Hang in there! I'll be praying that the sonogram comes back fine and there is no liver disease.
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   Posted 2/2/2009 6:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you Butterflythree for your kind words and the prayers. I know I can never have too many people praying for me. I'm just rying to find things to do now to keep my mind from anticipating the worst. Hope I can get some sleep tonight. Really was a shock today when he told me about the abnormal liver function readings on my blood chemistry test.
Every day seems to be something else, or so it seems. Thought these would be the "golden years," after working for 40 years for same bank. But, as I said, having no one to talk to about my health concerns and  problems is a big part of my anxiety and the feeling of being all alone.
 
Bob

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   Posted 2/2/2009 7:34 PM (GMT -7)   

Bob, please do remember to ask your doctor about a specific test for hepatitis.  I've had no pain at all.  My only symptom was overwhelming fatigue.

Please try not to worry.  You could also have had a lab error.


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   Posted 2/3/2009 9:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello Bob, Don't feel that you are all alone anymore.........you have us! I know for me, all the members of this forum are like family.........Keep us posted...........Good luck today........Thoughts and prayers........
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   Posted 2/3/2009 12:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Pink Grandma and hep93.
Went to my doctor's this morning and he felt my liver and said it wasn't enlarged. He asked me if I had eaten and I said "No." and then he sent me to Lenox Hill hospital to have sonogram done of liver, kidney, gall-bladder and bladder. They said they will send results to my doctor in 2-3 days. (More waiting!) I asked him about hepatitis test and he said he already called the lab (yesterday/Monday) where he sent my blood for my yearly physical and told them to do a hepatitis test on the blood they had. He said he thought it might be "B" or "C."
Now I will just have to 'wait and see.' But, once again, the waiting is just very stressful. Trying to keep busy on the computer, etc.

 


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   Posted 2/3/2009 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Robert, you don't have the risk factors associated with hep B or C.  However, there are a rare few who claim not to know how they contracted C.  There has been some transmission sexually (for example, if a woman was having her menses at the time.)  There are also some rare needle stick transmissions (nurses or phlebotomists doing blood work.)  Again, try not to worry.  There's nothing you can do until you know the results of all the tests.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.


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   Posted 2/3/2009 4:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Nice to hear from you hep93.
#1-  May I ask what you mean by: "Robert, you don't have the risk factors associated with hep B or C." You mentioned earlier "Is your doctor planning to test for hep C?  He needs to do a blood test for that, if he hasn't already." I'm a bit confused because you said I don't have risk factors associated with "B" or "C" and your earlier message said did my doctor do blood test for "C." Sorry, but I am just trying to get all the information together (I'm keeping all the posts in my work book.)
 
 
#2- Have been doing some reading and notice "A" could last for up to 6 months. I had pain in middle abdomen (by belly-button) back in Sept/Oct and went to doctor. He said it was stomach virus (no exam, etc.). He said it would go away in a few days/weeks. It lasted for a month or so and then no more pain in stomach. (When I was out walking or standing - no pain at all, only when I was sitting for a long time in front of computer. Possibly sitting too long??? I just don't know.) 
I'm thinking when I went for the yearly physical on Jan. 31, I might have had some of that "stomach virus" still left over (since some of my readings says that "A" can last for up to 6 months with some people). Of course I'm trying to minimize the possibily of me having "B" or "C." Maybe I am wrong in doing that.
 
#3- What could/would cause elevated liver functions (SGPT 80; SGOT 51 and Bilirubun 1.5)? Maybe no way of knowing? Last year they were all normal.
 
Bob
 
P.S. As always, thanks for the prayers. I can use them. And sorry for all the typing and questions, etc.

Post Edited (Robert2) : 2/3/2009 5:30:46 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/3/2009 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   

Robert, I said you don't have the risk factors because you said you have never done drugs and haven't mentioned a trasnfusion.  That is the main way that people get hep C and B...through dirty needles.  As I said, there are also some transmissions in other ways, but they are not as common.  I contracted hep C (and B, but my immune system threw it off) in '68 or '69 from sharing needles.  It normally takes a very long time (decades) to have symptoms from hep C.  Hep B patients often get quite sick and jaundiced when they contract it.  However, I didn't.  They say the C response at the time it is contracted is like having a mild flu.  I didn't have that, either.  However, since I was so numbed up, I wasn't feeling much of anything.  Since your doctor suspects hepatitis for some reason, I said he should test for it, as a sonogram is not really going to show whether you have it or not.  Now we know that he is testing for it, so it's just a waiting game.

I mentioned some other things that could cause elevated enzymes.  BTW, yours are not as high as most people with the virus.  Have you been on cholesterol meds?  How about antidepressants?  There are certain drugs that can be harmful to the liver, and that would cause elevated enzymes.

Hepatitis A is caused from contaminated food, and is found more often in foreign countries.  Had you been out of the country?  In this country, when there is an outbreak of A, it is usually confined to one restaurant and is publicized.  Hep A will eventually leave your system.

Quite honestly, we can't speculate more than that.  You just need to have some patience until you get your test results.  Again, try not to worry, and you have our prayers for negative results.


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   Posted 2/3/2009 7:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks.
"How about antidepressants?" = Yes. Have been taking an antidepressant (pamalar) for quite a few years. I've read/heard that antidepressants can cause a lot of problems.
 
Guess best thing to do now is just to wait. Again, sorry for all the questions. Didn't mean to infer that your advise was anything but helpful. I'm just a bit nervous and confused about all of this, which wasn't a good birthday present. (I had yearly physical done on my birthday.)
 
I know I am not supposed to worry, but I have always been a nervous person. Was feeling quite good before I went to the doctor.
 
Bob

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   Posted 2/3/2009 8:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Bob, Just wanted you to know that I am still thinking of you and praying. I know how hard waiting for results can be. Hang in there. You should know something soon.
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   Posted 2/3/2009 9:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Butterflythree.
I just hope it is nothing really, really serious.
I am going to try to get some sleep now (11PM). Last night didn't get much, knowing I had to go to have sonogram done today (mind keeps thinking of worse case scenario - death sentence, etc.).
 
Thanks again for your prayers.
Bob

Post Edited (Robert2) : 2/3/2009 9:15:30 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/4/2009 11:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Bob, I just wanted to reassure you a little. Some medications can elevate liver enzymes and actually it is a little more common than people are aware of. For example, Cholesterol meds can elevate liver enzymes and thats why Dr's check your blood every 4 months when you are taking the meds. Lots of medicines can affect the liver in this way. Hep93 is so right when she said that you don't appear to have the risk factors. Stomach aches lasting 1 month are not normal and your Dr should be aware that you continued to have pain. And may I add that most people say a "stomach ache" when it isn't the stomach at all. Dr's will ask you to point to where the pain is because different areas of the abdomen house different organs. Pinpointing the exact area gives them a reference point as to what to test for. If I were your daughter I would tell you to try not to worry until you have a definate reason to worry. There are so many possibilities that you can fret yourself sick. Assume the best for now. I know it's hard to do that when you don't have a support system to help you but we are here for you.........you are not alone. We all kind of adopt each other and have created a family here. GOD Bless and let us know what the outcome is.
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   Posted 2/4/2009 7:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Bob, I hope your sonogram went well today and that you were able to get some sleep last night. Hopefully it won't be long until you know what you are dealing with. As always, you are in my thoughts and prayers.
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   Posted 2/8/2009 9:12 AM (GMT -7)   

Sorry for the late reply but have been doing a lot of running-around, and as usual very confused.

The "B" and "C" tests were "non-reactive" which I was told was good. Was sent to a hospital in Manhattan (Tuesday) to have Sonogrpahy done. Went there right from the doctor's office (more running around by subway). Thursday went to doctor and the Sonography results of my upper abdominal region revealed - liver is well-imaged and is normal with no dilated biliary ducts seen; the gallbladder is equally normal, demonstrating no evidence of stones or inflammatory change; pancreas is not enlarged; right and left kidneys are normal with no evidence of stones or obstruction; the spleen is not enlarged; the major vessels are normal; there is no sign of ascites or lympadenopathy.

I have to go back to my doctor in three months. His nurse said no alcohol, spices or herbs. That confuses me because I do not drink alcohol. I've been thinking about the 'sprice and herbs' though. I was using a fair amount of cinnamon sprinkled on my four cups of yogurt I eat every day (those little cups of Dannon Carb/Sugar control and sometimes sugar free Jello). Somewhere on the net I read about cinnamon causing liver 'problems.' Has anyone heard same thing? Should I cut out the cinnamon?

I also started to drink 2 cups of chamomile tea about one month ago. I believe chamomile is also an herb and wonder if I should cut that out too.

I also take 2 tablespoons of Colon Cleanse (psyllium husk) a day, and wonder if that should be cut out? I don't think it is a spice or herb.

I also have three drops of Stevia in my morning (1/2 cup) of Bran in the morning, but wonder if that should be cut out. If yes, what would I use in it's place? My blood glucose has always been a bit elevated; and so I stay away from sugar, etc.

Also, use a fair amount of yellow mustard on my afternoon meal of chopped turkey. Should I cut out yellow mustard also?

Well, that's about all I have to say for now. Just a bit worried about what is causing the darn abnormal liver readings and what to do to bring them back down to normal range. I wonder what doctor will find in three months. The worst I can imagine is that he will say I have to stop taking my anti-depressant (which I have been taking for over 10 years - 25mg). What would I do then? So many questions are going though my mind now and I am still so very confused.

 

Post Edited (Robert2) : 2/8/2009 9:34:03 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/8/2009 12:18 PM (GMT -7)   

Robert, that is FANTASTIC news that you were negative for B and C and your sonogram was entirely normal.  The doctor wants to rule out anything food-wise that could possibly cause elevated liver enzymes.  I know, for example, that poppy seeds will cause an opium positive in a drug test.  Contac capsules can also cause a positive for amphetamines.  So I'm sure that there are likely "herbs and spices" that would cause an elevation.  I am really suspicious about the Colon Cleanse.  The "no alcohol" is just part of their normal rhetoric.  I'm told that, and I haven't had alcohol in over 22 yrs. which is well documented.  rolleyes  

My advice:  Cut out everything you mentioned except the stevia, which should be fine.  Sugar free products, which usually contain Splenda, should be fine.  (I use a lot of them.)  But eliminate everything else and see what happens in 3 mos.  If your enzymes are still elevated then, it could be the antidepressant.  There are soooo many antidepressants on the market now, that if the one you are taking is the culprit, then you undoubtedly could be placed on one that doesn't have a negative effect.

Since you are not being tested for 3 mos., that should tell you that your doctor is not the least bit concerned.  As I said, it could very well have just been a lab error.  Personally, I think I would ask if another liver enzyme panel could be done a few weeks from now, rather than waiting 3 mos.  If that's not possible, just really take some deep breaths and calm down.  You do not have the ailments you were so frightened of having, so enjoy living!  How about doing some volunteer work?  You would get your mind off yourself and meet new people.



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Post Edited (hep93) : 2/8/2009 12:23:28 PM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 2/8/2009 4:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks.
I will stop taking: cinnamon (took it 4x a day sprinkled on yogurt cups), chamomile tea (even though I read it was "good" for the liver), and yellow mustard.
 
I am not sure about the Colon Cleanse (product name), which is psyllium husk. I began taking 2 tablespoons a day to help with regularity several months ago. At my age, constipation is sometimes a regular visitor with me, since I limit my carbohydrate intake.
Also, I am not sure of the Stevia dark concentrate. I take three drops (could cut to two drops, I am sure) with my morning 1/2 cup of All Bran. I always used Splenda, but someone said Stevia was better.
I wonder if someone who might read this thread might know more about Colorn Cleanse (healthplusinc) or more about Stevia, and could possibly enlighten me.
 
Read the following on the net as an answer to a question posted:

"I can speak to you as a patient, what happened to me and the drugs I used are different from your situation. My enzymes were almost up to 1,000 after my liver was resected and was told they needed to get up to almost 2,000 before my liver would fail. They went down again to the low 200's before I started chemo and then went up to the 700's. I was done with chemo in June of '05 and they have slowly gone down again. One thing that helped me is, I started eating organic food. That dropped my liver enzymes about 100 points. So, I wouldn't worry unless the Dr.'s get worried. The liver is a great organ and has the ability to heal itself."

That made me feel a little better comparing those numbers to my numbers. I didn't think the readings could go up to 1,000! I'll see my doctor the end of March or April.


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   Posted 2/11/2009 7:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Robert, I am glad that your tests came back negatove, and it looks like your sonogram didn't find anything either. That is really great. I hope you'll get your answers soon. I'll continue to pray for you.


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   Posted 2/12/2009 6:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Butterflythree for your kind words and also for your prayers. Tomorrow another doctor. Always something at my age it seems.
Thanks again.
Bob

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   Posted 2/13/2009 7:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Robert, I hope your doctors appointment went well.
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   Posted 7/30/2009 1:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello everybody.  I thought I wouldn't have to bother you any longer (but glad to find this original post of mine. I hope I can add this new message to it so you all will know my previous 'history).
However, something happened this past Tuesday (7/28/09) that has me quite upset and worried (what else is new).
This past Tuesday I was taken my usual daily walk when some kids came by on their skate boards and one of them fell in front of me. I tripped over his skateboard and fell on the sidewalk. I got up and noticed I had a rather large scrape on my left elbow and a small scrape on my left kneed.
Across the street was a Medical Group building and since I was quite a distance from my house, I decided to go in and ask for a bankaid. Well, when I got inside and asked for a bandaid, the girl said I should have a tetinus shot. Well, she cleaned the scrape and had me go upstairs for the tetinus show.  On the way out the girl mentioned do you have jaundice? Your eyes look a little 'yellow." That was all I had to hear, after all the anxiety I went through with the liver readings. I knew my doctor was off the following day and I decided on going to him and ask him about my 'yellow' eyes. I was thinking he would say "I don't see any 'yellow' and you don't have anything to worry about. Don't believe what you heard."
Honestly, I could not see any difference in the white of my eyes. As a matter of fact, I had been to my opthamolist a few weeks prior and she said nothing about 'yellow' in my eyes. Also, I was at my doctor's the end of June when he gave me my 2nd hepatitis B (booster) shot. He said that was to prevent Hepatitis B.
Well I called him today and found out he was on two week vacation starting today. Boy, did my heart sink. His recording gave the address of a doctor who was taking his place for the two weeks. Francially, I went to her office and she said she said she didn't notice any 'yellow' in my eyes but to wait the two weeks and see my regular doctor because he knew my history (35 years with him).
Now I am looking at my eyes every few minutes and trying to see any yellow (which I can't) and once again losing sleep and not eating too well.
Sorry for the long post but I just had to get this out, because as you know there is no one to talk to here at my apartment.


 
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Post Edited (Robert2) : 7/30/2009 2:42:17 PM (GMT-6)

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