Alcoholic Hepatitis or Cirossis?

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countryboy1
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   Posted 7/8/2009 8:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi everyone, I'm new here and I just want to write in my story and see if anyone can answer some questions. I was happy to find this forum and read your stories.
 
Well let's see... I'm a 37 yo male from Canada, I had been drinking for quite a long time. I'd say heavy drinking or almost everyday since I've been about 22.
 
In december I noticed my abdomen was bloated, I was tired, and although not losing weight seemed to be losing muscle. I went to the Dr's in January and he took me in for some tests. Told me it was my drinking and that it could be cirossis. He put me on diuretics, told me to stop drinking (which I did immediately and it's been 6 months now alcohol free). I had to get drained as the diuretics didn't seem to do the trick and they took out 3.5 liters of fluid.  I was only drained once and didn't have to be drained again.
 
So in short it's been a really up and down 6 months. I was reffered to a liver specialist and that dr hasn't been all that helpful, she says my liver counts are normal except for my ggt which is still close to 200. She seems to think that the ggt is not that important of an indicator. Does anyone have any information about ggt?
 
I have had blood work done, which is all normal except for the ggt. I had a scan done (nuclear not CT) no biopsy was done as the liver specialist thinks it was alcoholic hepaptitis and not cirossis. Like I said, this specialist is not that helpful and she's the only one in the city.
 
My two biggest complaints right now are feeling tired still after 6 months, and that I seem to stay at the same weight. I have the body of a teenager basically. I used to always be slim, called skinny actually, but put on muscle in my twenties and a little extra weight in my thirties. Now that's all gone and I weigh 130 pounds, I should really be at 145-150 pounds for my body type. Does this ever resolve itself? My specialist says that maybe my liver hasn't regenerated yet. The other thing I mentioned to her was my mood swings and irratability which can be fierce especially first thing in the morning. Then I start to slowly feel normal. I'm not working right now, but I'm still pretty active, I live on a farm so I help out with some chores, no real heavy lifting or anything too bad as my muscles while still there, seem weaker then before.
 
I had a rash that also flared up on my back, which a dermatologist called psariosis?... it was just on my back area and really bad in the center and under the shoulder blades. This seems to have calmed down now but does flare up from time to time. During my healing I also had a browninsh rash appear on my stomach just under the rib cage, the liver specialist said it wasn't jaundice and it wasn't related to the liver, she asked me what laundry soap I used in case it was an allergic reaction. I'm really frustrated with her.  That rash is gone now.
 
My thinking seems to be getting clearer, but then other days I almost feel like I'm back at ground zero and in a fog, feeling tired, anxious, irratable etc.. When this all happened I left my job and moved back home to re-coop, but I'm on the sixth month mark now, when or does this ever get better to the point where you feel almost normal again??
 
The meds I take are ativan 2mg a day broken up over 4 does of .5 and 1 med to prevent stomach ulcer. I take milk thistle, b-vitamins, multivitamin and innositol. I try to eat only white lean meats and keep a balanced healthy diet with fruits veggies etc.., I still drink coffe and my cigarette smoking has been cut back ( I need to totally quit those things I know).
 
Does anyone have any opinions on what I should do next. 6 months later and just feeling a little frustrated, confused, and anxious.
 
The liver specialist who never even felt my liver, just looked at my blood work, says I should be just fine. But it was my family DR that seemed the most concerned and wanted to run all the tests, but now that I've been reffered I'm stuck with this specialist until she signs off on me. She told me to come back in six months for another series of standard tests to check levels. I just feel that it's been 6 months already, and now another 6 seems so far away.
 
I'm really sorry for rambling, any thoughts from anyone?
 
 

hep93
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   Posted 7/9/2009 2:40 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello, country boy, and welcome to the forum!  I did some reading on the GGT elevation for you and it could be a result of alcoholic liver disease.  If you drank heavily for 15 yrs., it is going to take approximately 15 mos. for you to recover from the damage and to give your liver a chance to regenerate.  I drank heavily for about the same number of years and can tell you that the first year sober I was in a fog.  I was 43 when I stopped drinking.  Since you are even younger, you will probably recover from the damage you've done in time.  I assume you were tested for hepatitis?

Since you've had blood work and a nuclear scan which all were normal (except for the GGT), there's really nothing more diagnostically that can be done except perhaps for a liver biopsy.

Alcohol has a lot of calories and sugar.  Since you are no longer drinking, you may need to increase your caloric intake dramatically to gain some weight.  However, it's healthier to be thin than fat, so count your blessings.  smilewinkgrin    Also, as we age, most people tend to gain weight.  I know I struggle to keep my weight down now, when for most of my life I was about 100 lbs. fully clothed.

Just try to be patient and give yourself time to recover.  You are doing all the right things (except for smoking.)  BTW, if you give up cigarettes altogether, you will probably gain a few pounds, too.

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.


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countryboy1
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   Posted 7/9/2009 10:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the reply. I guess what really bothers me is I am eating alot, not gaining much muscle if any. It's like I'm fighting to keep this weight on. Not to mention feeling tired, lethargic, depressed at times, and of course that fog. Things can go really well for a bit, then all of a sudden I hit a mood swing for no reason and have to leave the room and be alone so as not to piss anyone off. It's really frustrating.

I was wondering if they should do a CT scan, the scan i had was nuclear. I still get discompfort just under the rib cage.

They took me off the diuretics a while back thinking I would also gain some weight, but no real changes.

Pink Grandma
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   Posted 7/10/2009 7:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Hello countryboy 1 and welcome to HealingWell.

As far as regaining muscle........... Ask your doctor about a high protein diet and exercise. If she gives the go ahead. Eat lots of fish, chicken, pork, beans, peanuts (but I wouldn't eat a lot of red meat though), along with fruits and veggies ( preferably fresh ). Meaning your body still needs a balanced diet, just up the protein some. Your body is an engine.........it needs the proper fuel to give you energy to start feeling better.

Hang in there............thoughts and prayers.........
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hep93
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   Posted 7/11/2009 12:15 PM (GMT -7)   

Country Boy, I had a nuclear scan to rule out bone cancer.  Did they say specifically why you were having one?  You can push for a CT scan if you want to.  Be sure that it's with contrast and looking specifically at your liver.

Do you know that hep B and C were definitely ruled out?  Also, after you've been drinking such a long time, you now don't have a "buffer" against your feelings and they are right on the surface and very raw. You also have no coping skills.  Alcohol was how you coped.  For that reason, I really recommend AA.  The Steps give you the skills you need to "live life on life's terms."  That is the whole purpose--not to learn how to stop drinking (you've done that) or how to drink like a normal human being (you can't!)  You also have a safe place to explore your feelings and lay them out on the table, and get some positive feedback, instead of just exploding and making people mad.

My thoughts will be with you.
Connie
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countryboy1
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   Posted 7/14/2009 8:32 AM (GMT -7)   
I guess it's the tiredness and muscle waste that bothers me the most. I'm already eating quite a bit of protein, lean meats, lots of granola bars, fruits etc.. we don't use salt in our cooking and we don't eat foods with alot of fat. This DR I'm seeing hasn't suggested anything other then waiting another 6 months to see her. I really don't see any improvement yet. Just the same day after day. No matter how much I eat I can't go above 130lbs. I was thinkng of trying one of those protein shakes. I just don't want to start trying all kinds of things and then something else goes wrong.

frustrating...

countryboy1
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   Posted 7/24/2009 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Just an update...

Some good news... I thought I would post as this forum is partly what helped me out. After feeling down and out and basically seeing my situation as one that would not change, I read Ricks story and it fired me up mentally to keep going and change my attitude.

Although my confidence in my specialist is not strong, my GP is a good doc and has been following me alot closer then the specialist. I went and saw him earlier this week and he gave me some good news. Levels are ok, ggt continues to drop... is now at about 100, when I first went in in January it was around 900. Other levels are normal, liver is no longer hepatic. Tests for hepatitis A<B<C are neg.

In my earlier posts I talked about the trouble with the lack of weight gain and fog. The fog is now almost completely gone, only taking me a few mins to shake it off in the morning. I'm eating like a teenager now under my Dr's ok. I can actually feel the muscle coming back, and it's a good feeling, it's very hard to explain what the emotion is when you go from feeling your muscles tear which was happening before to actually re-building. I started taking whey protein - just whey, no additives. I drink it with Orange juice and it made all the difference in the world. It's a very simple protein to digest and it went right to work. My family dr told me to make sure not to ignore complex carbs as these help systhesize the muscle building and keep my sugar levels normal. I wish I would have had started this earlier. Maybe if I had a specialist that cared I wouldn't have been scared to try this. Before when I would eat protein I would become extrememly tired. But the whey protein did the trick, it allowed me to build a little bit of muscle, get a little stronger, and now I can eat any type of meat or bean and not feel overly tired or have stomach upset.

Although I am not 100% yet, I certainly feel alot better then I did just a week ago.

2 things I am sure of in my case (I know each case is different), The extra protein really helps (whey being the easiest to digest) and no alcohol at all.

The most important part of my ongoing recovery.... my family, my friends, and God. Without them.. I wouldn't be writing this story. And thank you to those on the board who share their stories.

Not out of the woods, more work to be done... but it certainly seems to be getting better...

For those that find themselves in my situation, where after 6 months you start to give up, don't! Keep going.... when the fog lifts... it's like a whole new world out there. And it feels good. Whatever you do, don't take a drink thinking the damage is done... the body and God.. have ways that we just don't know about. Rick's story is proof of that.

hep93
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   Posted 7/24/2009 6:19 PM (GMT -7)   

Countryboy, I am absolutely thrilled at your turnaround!   :-)    Also very glad that you tested negative for viral hepatitis.  Just keep going and you will recover your health completely!

Rick, see?  I told you you are an inspiration!

Hugs,

Connie


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   Posted 7/25/2009 8:46 PM (GMT -7)   
( Believe Connie calls them bugaboos )
 
I don't get the credit for that one, Rick.  turn    Don't know who to attribute it to.
 
Hugs,
Connie
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   Posted 7/26/2009 11:48 AM (GMT -7)   

Rick, if you're bored you can come on down here and help me!  smilewinkgrin

Hugs,

Connie


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DIVENUT1
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   Posted 7/29/2009 7:34 AM (GMT -7)   
 
Hi -
 
I have  been reading these postings- Country Boy I so admire your strength and commitment to regain your health and leave alcohol behind.
 
I have just returned from visiting my brother who lives 10 hours away. He  is 53 and has cirrhosis. He has been hospitalized at least 10 times in the past 6-8 years. His episodes are very similar to what you described- although each episode for him seems to get worse than the previoius.
 
His last hospitalization was 13 months ago- he was told he had 6 months to live, he refused hospice. He left the hospital after about 35 days in the hospital and a specialized facility and was doing pretty well for a while- he was taking his meds- not drinking and we were hopeful that he would at least have a chance to live out his remaining days sober and maybe even have some good days.
 
However, he has returned to drinking every day- his palms are bright red and his fingernails are red at the base and white to the tips. His hygiene is horrible. He has terrible psoriasis on his legs- he has not bathed in months. His abdomen is swelling up. He is skin and bones, yellowish in color, no energy, sleeps a lot. I know that his condition is irreversible and hopeless. He has only been outside his home a few times in the last 6 months.
 
He refuses to go to the doctor and I know that it is just a matter of time before he will "tilt" and have to be hospitalized again. I wonder if he will even be alive before the EMS gets to him. He has a friend who lives next door and checks on him- the friend has found him near death every time he has had to be  hospitalized.
 
So, please realize that a major part of getting well is not drinking ever again. I have learned that there is more to being sober than just not drinking. You will have to decide if you are an alcoholic- but I believe that AA is amazing and had my brother been willing, he could have had some quality sober time before he passes. But he felt that going to AA meetings would help- he claimed that this "would only make him want to drink" and he would never go.
 
Country Boy- you are fortunate that you seem to want to live! You can choose to live each day that you are given. Learn from this experience- don't do like my brother and return to drinking. The quality of your life is in your power to choose.
 
Regards-
 
Martin
 
 
 
 

isergodur
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   Posted 7/29/2009 8:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't have any advice about the disease but I cant the mood swings be because you stopped drinking and are cutting down the smoking ?
I don't drink but I get grumpy when you take away my sugar hehe

One more thing, when you are dealing with a long term illness it is good to be patient, and I know it is hard It was the most difficult for me when I first got sick but now I just take one day at a time and I feel much better.

Good luck ..
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ring of fire42
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   Posted 7/29/2009 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Some things sound very similar to my situation.  It is July 29 and I have been out of the hospital foe a week since first being admitted in early May (some summer)...I am a 35 yo male with cirrhosis (end stage) and have been a heavy drinker and sometimes every day of the week since my early 20's.  I have not had a drink in almost 3 months (give or take) since I had my last drink a few days before driving myself to the closest ER because my stmach was extremely bloated and blood was showing up in my stool about 4 days in a row.  i too was in an intnse fog which is now gone and my mind is sharp as a razor.  My muscles are so weak that I just moved in with my Mom and have to use a walker to walk, which is supposed to improve with hard work.  I will attend my first AA meeting next week because I am too young to die from my stupid mistakes made in the past.  I take lactulose twice daily for my stomach and antacid, lopressor for blood pressure, a mulivitamin, and spironalactone for fluid retention once each every morning.
 
While in the hospital I had to have almost 7 liters of fluid removed from my stomach.  A kidney specialist told me a week before my discharge that my kidneys were failing...with a day he managed to turn it around and my kidneys returned to 100% literally overnight.
 
I have left the table salt behind for good and now have to try to resist any temptation to drink alcohol.  Iwalk as much as possible hoping that soon I will be able to walk without assistance again.  Ensure has a shake that is high in nutrients as well as colorie intake (I drink 3 or 4 a day and they taste pretty good!!
 
Watching Johnny Cash in the movie "Walk the Line" seemed to hit pretty close to home.
 
Any advice that anyone has for me would really be appreciated; I am nervous about how uncertain the liver can react once damage has been done.  Thanks!!!!!!! (and Best Wishes for Everyone coping with cirrhosis)

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   Posted 7/29/2009 1:17 PM (GMT -7)   

Welcome, Divenut and RingofFire.  Ring, when I saw your user name, I was wondering if you liked Johnny Cash or maybe Adam Lambert who did a rather strange rendition of Ring on Season 8 of AI.

To both of you, congrats on stopping drinking.  That is the single best thing that anyone with liver disease can do.  Divenut, your praise of AA makes me think that you know something about it personally.  And AA teaches you how to live sober, one day at a time and one step at a time.  Aug. 1st, I will have 23 years sober, so it certainly worked for me....and many thousands of others. 

Diet is also very important.  Low-sodium, as you know, but also lots of fresh fruits and veggies and no beef!  Paying careful attention to your diet, taking meds as prescribed, and getting plenty of rest will go a long way towards slowing the progression of cirrhosis, Ring.

Martin, I'm really sorry about your brother and his refusal to get help.  As you know, there is really not a thing you can do.

We are glad to have you both here!

Hugs,

Connie



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   Posted 7/29/2009 6:39 PM (GMT -7)   

Rick, all you have to do is think it through when you get the thought of drinking.  Think it all the way through.  I don't know about you, but I was never able to have just one drink.  And with this liver disease, just one would do a lot of damage...and set you way back with your transplant listing.  You are too honest these days to not disclose it if you drank--plus it would probably put you in the hospital!  That's what I mean by thinking it through.  We have been given a second (and in my case 3rd) chance at living.  It would be a slap in the face of God to drink.  What you have is a healthy fear...and there's nothing wrong with that.  I'm afraid if I drank again I'd never get sober...and would certainly die of liver failure.  I have only to read the posts about loved ones who are still drinking.  What an awful way to live...and a horrible way to die.

Hugs,

Connie


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   Posted 7/30/2009 7:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Ring- You are a young man- who knows what the future will bring for you but you have hope and courage now. Nuture that hope by seeking for a more spiritual way to live each day. You can live healthy & be well by making good choices- work on yourself. Read good books, hang with people who don't drink, get involved with different activities- work on improving yourself- do something for the others in your life.

You must not drink ever again. Those with liver disease who return to drinking do not have good outcomes. I have seen it time and again that people return to drinking when they don't fill the void that occurs from not drinking.

My brother was only able to stay away from drinking for just a few weeks, maybe a month or two at most after each of his hospital stays (he has had about 10 serious hospitalizations). Why would he revert back to drinking? Because the underlying reasons he drank did not change- his resentments, anger, loneliness, etc stayed with him because he did not change. He would come home from the hospital each time and would begin drinking non-alcoholic beer which would work for a while. Inevitably he has returned to the real thing.

I was hopeful that his last hospitalization 13 months ago would be a catalyst for change- he was given 6 months to live. He refused hospice. He was doing well for a while, but now is quickly deteriorating and it won't be long. It is as though he is stuck in an endless loop, which just keeps repeating over and over again. How very sad that these were/are his choices.


Connie- thanks for the welcome. I got sober 5 years ago. I believe in AA. Sobriety is a choice.

Rick- hang in there. One day at a time.

Martin

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   Posted 7/30/2009 10:36 AM (GMT -7)   

Congratulations, Martin, on your 5 years!  You are right-it IS a choice.  And you spoke very wise words.  AA's definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.  That is what is happening with your brother and many others who continue to drink in the face of past experience with alcohol.

Hugs,

Connie


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   Posted 7/30/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Connie-
I have been reading other threads and have read more of your story. You are amazing! How awesome that you share your experience, strength and hope.

Bye for now.

martin

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   Posted 7/30/2009 11:41 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks, Martin.  The 12th Step takes many forms.  wink

Hugs,

Connie


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   Posted 7/31/2009 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey everyone out there,
Just wanted to say hello...still in good spirits. Last night I was tired and went upstairs to sleep; when I reached the top (and climbing has been my biggest worry), I just kept walking, oblivious to the fact that my walker was left at the top untill I went to bed and my mother brought it in and asked "...you forget something???" **** for the first time in at least a year.

Talk about the power of positive thinking! In adddition, my meds are helping as well as in the hospital, and other than the prescriptions I take when I wake and in the evening (with 2 OTC medicine, antacid and a multivitamin) I seem to be getting as close to 'normal' as I can be again. Next step, let's see if my will to live beats out my urge to drink again (will be at my first AA and Al-Anon meetings Thursday)...one day at a time, right?

Best to All,
Ring

P.S. -- Anyone out there watched the Simpsons and Family Guy??? Just curious...and thanks again for the support.

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   Posted 7/31/2009 8:31 PM (GMT -7)   

Ring, that is good news that you are continuing to improve.  When you go to AA, be sure to get some phone numbers.  If you hear a couple of people share and you like what they have to say, get their numbers...preferably people with a minimum of one year of sobriety.  And then call them when you feel the need to drink...or even just to talk in between meetings.  Also, if you go to a meeting held at an AA club, see if you can purchase a copy of Alcoholics Anonymous--referred to as the "Big Book."

I'm moving on Mon., but hope to be back on line within a few days of that, and will be eager to hear about your first meetings.

Hugs,

Connie


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   Posted 8/2/2009 11:28 AM (GMT -7)   

Connie --

Thanks for the advice about contact phone numbers and book at AA, every bit could do nothing but help; does the fear of the bottom falling out one day heathwise every subside??  I don't know if I woke up one day and was weakening as far as my walking and energy goes that I have enough in me to pick it up and start again and again, since being hospitalized and twice referred to as 'terminal' in one almost 3 month stay.  The good news is that all the changes over the summer have eased my growing depression from my separation from my wife.  She could use AA herself, but will not yet accept that she also has a severe drinking problem.  Hopefully the fact that she is now pregnant (not mine), I was still in the hospital when she told me about it...I don't mind her cheating on me; I only wish that now that she is carrying her unborn child to term that it will sober her up for good, so that she may live a happy and healthy life.  Good luck moving, let me know how it went when you get settled in.

Best to all,

Ring


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   Posted 8/8/2009 12:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Everyone,
I am slowly regaining my balance, and am able to walk short distances without the use of a walker or other assistance (the walker is in the closet, hopefully for good. Although I am trying to mend the burnt bridges with my family, it still seems that no one in my immediate family will evr understand the suffering that I am now enduring and that alcoholism IS, in fact an incurable disease...it is something that a rehab detox center can not ever fix, unless that individual is solely willing to 'deal with life on life's terms' and ONE DAY AT A TIME!!! I feel myself getting irritated at the slightest thing, and I do not realize I am rude to the loved ones that care about me until it is too late. Join AA, and find a support group that will completely accept your past wrongdoings and welcome your thoughts and/or advice. It helps me though the rough times already, I have over a dozen names of reliable contacts that I feel completely understand me (and no one in my club has cirrohis, but every tale ends up the same way), talk about irony!

Connie -- Thanks for the great advice, it took me less than one hour with the 'Big Book' to get to page 37 and I found the definition of 'insanity' that AA defines it as..I am9in 5 days at page 349 and cannot seem to stop reading!!!

Countryboy -- The high calorie Ensure Plus 8oz. drinks have worked for me; in 2 weeks of maintaining a healthy diet and exercise routine at home, with 6 or 7 Ensure shakes a day, I have put on 10 pounds already...I am 5'10" and usually weigh 165 to 170, when admitted to the hospital I was down to 152, discharged weighing 114 lbs. I am close to 125 as of yesterday...

Everyone keep up the positive thinking, it has kept me alive more than once!

Ring (Richard)

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   Posted 8/8/2009 2:13 PM (GMT -7)   

Richard, I am thrilled that you got a Big Book and are actually reading it.  It is one of those books that you are going to refer to again and again...not just read once and that's it.  Once you finish that, you might want to get 12 Steps and 12 Traditions.  It goes into detail on the steps and traditions.  To start your day off right, a meditation book, such as 24 Hours A Day, is a mainstay for me.  I'm sure you are seeing yourself in other people's stories in the book, as I did.

I can clearly recall about 6 mos. into sobriety, when things were going well--great new job, new friends, etc.  But I felt like I was waiting for something bad to happen.  Well, eventually it does.  So I've learned to just take the good days and relish them, as Rick said, and that will give us positive input to hold onto when rough times come.  In the Bible, it says "it came to pass."  It doesn't say "it came to stay."  wink    Thus, the saying "This, too, shall pass."  It takes a very long time to regain the trust of family and friends.  While 3 months, 6 mos., or a year of sobriety may make us definitely feel like changed people, it takes longer for others to see that we are serious about sobriety and can be trusted.  And who can blame them for feeling that way?

Rick, I think you have learned that you can trust yourself more than you thought you could.  There have been times in my sobriety when I just repeated the Serenity Prayer over and over to get through situations, etc.  I think you are going to do well, both physically and with your alcoholism treatment.

Hugs,

C.


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   Posted 8/8/2009 9:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello again,
Well, here I am again, total hours of sleep in two days (2 + or -5 minutes, no that is no exaggeration)...total time asleep in 16 days (8 hours including 2 30 minute naps). I am not the least bit tired physically, ever, and the ability to walk without help from anyone in one month of standing alone, let alone walk, is SOLELY due to one thing; faith in God. When I refer to God, for those agnostics and atheists out there, is that if you question God, that is ok, I am and have always been agnostic and my wife has always been atheist...It really has never mattered to me because from the day I was born I have always been a scientist. Religion didn't matter to me because I never thought that you had to go to church to be religious, my belief in God has nothing to do with anyone's belief in God. If you haven't had as many near death experiences as I have and thought in your mind 'Whoa, thank God I'm still alive, I'm lucky,' and meant it, you don't have to...any loved ones that don't think I am for real and think that they are ready to handle the truth, you may stop checking up on my forum chats right now; there IS no such thing as a lie anymore. I was right all along...until you are ready to accept the fact that I am who I am, and my will to live is MY GOD's choice, which makes my choice to not drink again is His will, then don't bring it up again, I am alive because of my lifelong faith, and I have always believed that. It doesn't matter what you believe beause God does not care. Now, if you are still reading this, then keep going. Let me see here, if you actually can remember this on your own and are lying to yourself that you had to Google my life history from birth to death because you don't actually remember, trust me...if you think that I am full of s**t because I found some book from 2nd grade on, ok. Trust is no longer an issue, FAITH in God is. (Also, if you think that I am rambling on and on and that this will ever stop, then feel free to stop reading, there IS no delete button either in my mind or my spirit)...still here reading, OK, then either you have wayyyyyy.....ad nauseum, or maybe you too, should be checked for coping with alcoholic end stage cirrhosis), or then you have learned that lies no longer exist for me...too much time on your hands and are just fine, like me. Let's see, last drink of alcohol May 5, 2009...urge to think and function on this earth...endless (I'll keep going until someone can sleep soundly again without worrying, hat's off to you, I know I never can, nor need to, again...oh, highlighted passage on page 37 of the Big Book, Connie, sice I picked it up last Tuesday, August 4, 2009...oh yeah, no typo correction on this thing, so if you can't figure out that I made *darn, did it twice, meant to say 'since' instead, (three billion times I apologized ...
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