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Mom2sophia
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   Posted 1/21/2008 9:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Ok...I need to know this or find a place that I can research the answer....is there such a thing as having toxins in the body?  Is there a need to do a cleansing to get rid of the toxins?
 
I got the speech today from my holistic chiro about juicing and doing a fast and eating ALL NATURAL/ORGANIC everything...
He thinks I have a build up of toxins in my body and if I would just devote my life to eating nothing but the expensive food baught at these health food stores and get rid of things like coffee, and eat all fresh fruits and veggies that I might see some signs of a healthier body, aka, pooping on my own.
 
I tried the juicing/all natural diet before and it didn't help me.
 
My chiros daily regimen is waking up and having a glass of distilled water with apple cider vinegar and a tablespoon of unpasturized/unprocessed honey.  He then eats a salad for BREAKFAST with fresh spinach, carrots, etc with EVOO dressing.  The rest of the day he drinks juice made of fresh beats, carrots, apples, celery, garlic, parsley, and honey.  For dinner he eats some sort of chili without meat.  This is what his life is like...he has devoted his life to eating healthy and even lives in a "green" neighborhood.
 
Isn't that why we have livers?  Do get rid of toxins? 

gutastrophe
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   Posted 1/21/2008 12:18 PM (GMT -7)   

Yup!  That's why we have livers!  If your's is working properly, you shouldn't worry about "toxins".

Mom, I am a great devotee of naturopathy BUT they are like religious zealots with their dedication to all things "natural".  You have to discern through the malarky what is viable information and what is, well, propaganda. 

I adhered to a macrobiotic diet for two years, which is a diet that the natural health folks extol.  That was nearly 20 years ago.  Did it help?  No.  Did it cure me?  No.  Was is costly and incredibly time-consuming?  Yes.  Was it sustainable?  No. 

These "cleanses" that they push are, IMO, alot of hooey.  Colon cleansers definatly compromise normal bowel function and are really nothing more than glorified laxatives.  Liver cleanses are scary and I would not take anything designed to mess with that organ. 

Organic foods are ideal, of course, although one must be careful when buying them because the fine print sometimes contradicts the claim of fully organic.  Very few people I know can afford to eat EVERYTHING organic.  I try to buy my produce locally from organic farmers but that is the most I can do with my budget.

Juicing, for me, was the kiss of death.  I've read your other posts here and I understand you suffer with terrible gas.  If you start juicing, you might as well lock yourself in your bathroom with a an industrial exhaust fan and lots of scented candles.  You will be tooting more than you ever thought humanly possible.

Hope that helps!


Mom2sophia
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   Posted 1/21/2008 1:18 PM (GMT -7)   
You make me laugh and certainly put a smile on my face through this hard time I am going through.
 
I just got done doing some research on toxic cleansings and what I have found is...eat healthy, and DON'T do cleansings...that's what we have a liver, colon, and kidneys for!!
 
Thank you for confirming my instincts that this is not something I should be doing.
 
Right now, I have radiating pain...shooting and hot on the left side of my neck where he adjusted me...I called him and he said that it is just the muscles getting used to the new position they are in...in the 20 years of practice, he has never injured or caused more damage after an adjustment.  Well, I am sitting her with an icepack on my neck and shoulder and feel nauseas....
 
So what are your thoughts on taking a probiotic?

Canyonbabe711
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   Posted 1/21/2008 4:39 PM (GMT -7)   
sounds like a pinched nerve. If not better tomorrow you best go back and see him. No one is perfect.

gutastrophe
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   Posted 1/21/2008 10:28 PM (GMT -7)   

I think they work wonders for many but not for me!  Since I suffer with A, leaning more toward C, I don't do well on probiotics. 

Here is what my naturopath told me.  Candida can be easily dx with a stool test.  If you have it, probiotics will be helpful, although it will take a very long time before you see results.  If you don't have it, there is no need for probiotics.

Here is what my GI told me.  "There is no such thing as intestinal candida".

Big surprise, huh?

At any rate, I don't have an overgrowth of baddies in my colon so I don't feel I need them.  I just have a "bad" colon and until they figure out a way to do bowel transplants, I just have to live with this nasty old gut!


Mom2sophia
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   Posted 1/22/2008 6:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Have you noticed how society is starting to lean towards taking things like probiotics?  I don't know if you watch Oprah, but Dr. Oz was on saying how good they are for you.  I do know that when you take antibiotics, a lot of the good bacteria is destroyed...hence the reason they tell you to eat more yogurt when taking antibiotics...they tell me that when my daughter is on antibiotics. 
 
My research says that you can't have too much good bacteria in the gut, so I guess at this point...it's either working or it is just a waste of money...who knows.
 
My neck feels much better this morning. 
 
Gutastrophe...have the docs ever mentioned a total colectomy to you?  Certainly, my condition is pretty severe...and I don't know how severe yours is...I was just curious.

Keriamon
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   Posted 1/22/2008 8:52 AM (GMT -7)   
There's only so much room in your colon for bacteria to live, so, if you already have a good balance of bacteria in there, they yes, anything additional you take is just being flushed out of your system because there's no room for it to take hold and live.

However, I have found that I am now more supsceptible to catching stomach bugs than I used to be. Because your intestines are the largest portion of your immune system, I find that it certainly doesn't hurt to take probiotics when stuff is going around that I'd rather not catch, or when I've caught something. Routine maintenance, I call it. If it helps, so much the better for me.

If you can tolerate dairy, you can switch to acidophillus milk for a little dose of probitics daily, or eat yogurt fairly regularly.

gutastrophe
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   Posted 1/22/2008 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Mom2sophia said...
Gutastrophe...have the docs ever mentioned a total colectomy to you?  Certainly, my condition is pretty severe...and I don't know how severe yours is...I was just curious.
Only to advise against it.
I have been able to manage C throughout the years and at different points, I've even slipped into a D pattern so, for me, it would be too radical a "solution".  In addition, the colorectal surgeon was quick to tell me that this surgery does not "cure" the symptoms of IBS - the spasms, pain, and bowel irregularities.  One can still continue to have C, D, and painful gas only into the bag rather than the toilet!  No thanks!
My husband has a colostomy as a result of cancer.  He has been living with it for over a year now and I know he suffers with D, C, and gas still. 
For me, I continue to believe that radical medical intervention is not the solution.
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