yet another gall bladder question.....

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sciencelady
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   Posted 2/23/2008 2:13 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been searching for answers on the GERD forum, but happened to notice more "gall bladder" talk here. I've been feeling like crap (no pun intended) since August, 07. By "crap", I mean nauseous 90% of the time- mornings are the worst when I first wake up, sometimes it improves somewhat through the day. I also have no appetite, lots of burping, stomach gurlgling (esp. after I eat), some discomfort occasionally in the middle of my chest, around right rib/back area. I've never had any sharp, debilitating pains. My bowel habits have changed. I've been constipated my whole life (I'm 50 yrs. old), but since this started, I have had really loose stool - anywhere from 1-5/day. Sometimes, it's greenish. I haven't been able to nail down any food that makes things better or worse. Here are the tests I've had - colonoscopy, barium enema, CAT scan, MRI, gastric emptying, bacterial overgrowth - all normal. I had a bravo 48 hour pH test which showed a lot of reflux. I've been on a high dose of Zegerid for 2 months with minimal improvement. I just switched to Aciphex 2 days ago (high dose) and still don't feel any better. Here's the gall bladder part....... I had 2 ultrasounds which showed no stones and 2 very small polyps. My HIDA scan showed a 32% ejection fraction (this was 4 months ago). For some reason, I just feel like this must have something to do with it because everything else has been ruled out. Can anybody offer any suggestions?

eihcet
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   Posted 2/23/2008 7:04 PM (GMT -7)   
FYI, There's a recent study that noticed PPI's have caused GB function to decrease in healthy patients that they tested. I'm in the early phases of the same symptoms as you and haven't been diagnosed with anything official yet. I had a bad side effect when I went on one (Protonix) and switched to Famotidine with slightly better results. Keriamon has stated a few times here that the HIDA scan can sometimes come back not showing a problem if it's intermittant--if you had it done on one of the 'good' days you might not have had any results.

I know you mentioned diet... What kind of foods / beverages do you eat (when you can force yourself to eat that is)? If it is your GB a lowfat diet might decrease your symptoms if you stick to it for a few days. If you search for "gallbladder diet" in a major engine there's a page near the top that lists some good foods and some bad foods. I've found that beets, apples, and using Olive Oil in place of other fats has helped me for the most part. Have you tried a Gluten-free and/or Dairy free diet for a while, sometimes it takes some time for your body to recover.

I have been having periods of ups and downs since October. My latest down started on Thu, and tonight I'm feeling a bit better but it's usually worse for me in the early part of the day and better in the evenings. I had an Endosopy done which only showed mild gastritis and an ultrasound which was similar to yours. Haven't had HIDA yet and waiting on a few other tests. I'm wondering if maybe I have some kind of bile reflux problems, but even if I don't that's something you may want to ask/inquire about as well.

sciencelady
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   Posted 2/24/2008 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the info. I think my diet is pretty low fat. Although, I'm sure I could do better. I eat small amounts at a time throughout the day - I have absolutely no appetite and quite a bit of nausea, but I never vomit. I usually eat a regular meal with my family at dinner. When I first started feeling like this, last summer, I lost about 8-9 lbs. in a couple of months. I've been making a point not to let that happen because I'm already sort of petite. I've been able to maintain my 125 lbs. for awhile, just by forcing myself to eat. Before this all started, I was healthy - not on any medications. There has got to be an answer. I have my next GI appt. in April, but I may call and move it up. I'm going to ask for another HIDA scan. I would just love to wake up in the morning and not feel absolutely "green". Tomorrow I go back to work after being off this week. I'm a high school teacher and it's pretty hard at times to stand up in front of a classes all day and act energetic. I hope you get some answers from your tests. I know how disappointing it is when you just want to know what to do to fix things and they can't really tell you. I keep hoping that I'm one of those people that just takes a long time for the PPI to take hold. It's been 2 months, though!

Sarita
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   Posted 2/24/2008 11:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi sciencelady, I'm so sorry you're feeling so miserable these days. I can't even imagine having to teach a bunch of high school students while feeling like you're going to hurl all over them (although I might argue that most teachers feel like that, right? Okay, bad joke). My fiance is student teaching in a high school now and his stories blow my mind sometimes...

I noticed that in your litany of tests you did not mention having an upper endoscopy. Have you had one of those? Sometimes H. pylori infection can manifest with the symptoms you're experiencing, and the best way to find out if you have that is with a stomach/duodenal biopsy, which has to be done using an upper endoscopy.

The "acid" medications all work somewhat differently; Aciphex and Zegerid are both proton-pump inhibitors. Maybe you need to try a drug in a different class, like an H2-receptor antagonist (Tagamet is one).

I would try to move up your appointment if you can. One way I've battled the weight loss issue myself is by drinking Ensure. If you can't afford to lose more weight, a supplement like that can be a lifesaver!
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Street
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   Posted 2/25/2008 5:24 AM (GMT -7)   
There could be a couple of things to consider

The pancreas could also be implicated here as the enzymes typically produced aid digestive function. If foods are not breaking down properly they can ferment in the gut causing bloating/gas at which time the foods can become an irritant to the Gut linning allowing small cellular gaps to appear which see toxins circulating into the blood inturn leading to an immune responce. Nausea can be a result of insuffcient gastro intestinal HCL and or enzymes

The burping, excess gas can be related to microorganism overgrowth. Diets high in Carbs feeds these organisms eg bread, beer, yeast containg foods, Sugar, Baked Goods, Too Much Fruit.

The main role of the GB is to break down fats if it is under functioning fats in the diet may pass through you so as mentioned above limit FATS and suggest notincg what happens when you eat fatty foods.

If the liver is under strain from having to process excess toxins, deal with microbe over load and can handle the fats there is another reason for feeling ill as the bodies main detoxifying organ is burdened. The body detoxifies through the liver, Kidneys, Lymphatics and Skin and Lungs supporting these eliimination channels will support better health.

I hope this helps as there are more things to consider but is a breif answer to spur more thought and to talk to your doctor about.

lnape
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   Posted 2/28/2008 4:02 PM (GMT -7)   
It sure sounds like gall bladder trouble to me.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


sciencelady
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   Posted 2/28/2008 4:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Inape, I see that you had your gall bladder removed awhile ago. Did you have symptoms similar to mine? The thing that doesn't seem quite right is that I have never had any "attacks" - sharp pain, vomiting, etc. (and no stones) Just nagging, chronic nausea and dyspepsia, burping, no appetite.

lnape
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   Posted 2/29/2008 1:32 PM (GMT -7)   
When I was having gall bladder trouble I had nausea mostly diarrhea yellowish and lots of mucus. Pain in the center of the stomach around the belly button and off to the right. Pain in the back around the right shoulder blade. Just a sick feeling all the time. ]

If you are eating a low fat diet you are keeping things at bay for now most likely.

My gall bladder was not function at all and full of stones. Once it was removed the pain was gone and at that time in 1976 you had a major operation with the 6 inch cut across the tummy so it took a long time to heal.

The diarrhea and the yellowish diarrhea urgent attacks still remained and the nausea with the first bite of food until I found taking calcium carbonate got rid of all those symptoms.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


gooze
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   Posted 5/2/2008 3:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I just feel sick all over! I've spent this entire year with stomach problems that first began in Jan with a throwing up spell, I ended up sore in the middle of my stomach and the ER gave me a shot of Toradol, two days later went back and they gave me a GI cocktail. On Valentines I had the flu and spent two solid days knocked out with aches and pains, I got over that and went straight to a constant burning stomach, again and again I went to the ER and got GI cocktails, I finally quit going because thats all they would do and it would last for about 4 days and start again. I have gruduated from the constant burning to belching and burping all the time and I have a pain under my right rib cage that feels like an organ is having a charlie horse; a few times it has woke me up at night. I get a weird gas feeling that begins in my right shoulder blade and seems to radiate to my jaw. Most recently I have been going to the bathroom, or I feel like I am going to go the the bathroom and can't, I just keep a nauseated feeling. I have massive chills and then sweats, and most recently my body just has a clammy feeling. I have an ultrasound tomorrow on my gall bladder but am wondering if any of who have or had these feelings with a bad gall bladder. thanks for any information...

Keriamon
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   Posted 5/2/2008 3:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, all of your symptoms sound like a bad gall bladder. Diarrhea is a very common side effect, but not all people get it, and in a small percentage of people, they have constipation. But other than I had D and you do not when you have an attack, your attacks sound a lot like mine. I also chilled, right after having explosive D.

gooze
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   Posted 5/2/2008 3:59 PM (GMT -7)   
thanks for replying so quickly, im hopeful its gall bladder just so i know what it is

FENCING1
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   Posted 11/19/2008 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi there,
I have all your symptoms at present and am finding it very difficult.  Can you please get back to me and let me know how you have managed since? (I also have gallbladder polyps, doctors said to come back in a year) but i am seriously considering going private and having gallbladder removed. - I am just afraid of then getting even worse side effects)
God Bless.

lnape
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   Posted 11/19/2008 12:13 PM (GMT -7)   
You may be having these symptoms because your gall bladder is not functioning properly. Having it removed may get ride of some but you may have diarrhea problems if you get it removed and I have been able to control this with taking calcium. Email me and I will send you the info on calcium and how to take it.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


FENCING1
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   Posted 11/20/2008 6:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Linda,

Thank you very much for trying to assist me!

I basically am suffering from nausea in mornings and slight discomfort around gallbladder area. (I am 28years old, very slim and have always had a very healthy diet) so I was very shocked at having gallbladder polyps show up on my scan.

I just wonder if I can alleviate these symptoms without surgery ( I also had three children in the last three years, which would not have helped, ha ha )

What do you think? And please tell me more about the calcium supplements.

I am extremely grateful,

Best wishes and God Bless,

p.s. please try and email me as i am unable for some reason to email you.

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   Posted 11/20/2008 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi FENCING,
Welcome to HealingWell! :-)
Are you on birth control or pregnant? I have heard that estrogen can mess with the gallbladder and cause attacks. Just something to think about...
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lnape
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   Posted 11/20/2008 12:56 PM (GMT -7)   
FENCING,

This may sound strange but having babies and then having gall bladder problems is common. I had a 9pound 6 ounce baby then my gall bladder was not functioning anymore. I was age 26 and that is when I had my gall bladder removed. Here is the calcium info and you can email me with questions if you want.

This is what has helped me for more than 10 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin C and E seemed to cause me stomach upset.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web site. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but maybe 4 hours apart. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 400 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 50 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post-menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea.
The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

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Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Keriamon
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   Posted 11/20/2008 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
I can't imagine there's anything you can do for polyps.  Unlike my chronically irritated GB, which could be less irritated if I kept to a low-fat, bland diet (although that didn't work forever), there's nothing you can do to get rid of polyps or make them less obtrusive.  Unless there's a chance they will go away on their own, I don't see why your doctor wants you to be miserable for an entire year (might be a good question to bluntly ask him). 
 
There is something about pregnancy that messes up gall bladders.  It's one of the reasons why women are more likely to have a bad GB than a man.  (Weight, age, fair skin, genes, and certain heritages, like Native American, also make one more prone.)
 
I was 18 when mine went bad, but I had a family history.  My mother's side of the family have had a lot of bad GBs, and my father's mother thinks hers is bad, but thankfully it only has fits every once in a while, so she's managed to live with it. 
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