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electric_lady45
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   Posted 3/5/2008 11:29 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi everyone. I am looking for some help. I had my gall bladder removed in sept of 07. and have had constant problems since.  I have diarrhea at least 4 to 5 times a week. Usually bright yellow. Now I am having a constant burning under my rib cage. I have a dr app fri. but am nervous. I have been looking on the net for help, and found this web site. It seems like this happens often.I am sick of taking anti diarrhea medicine. And am scared to eat anymore. I have no energy anymore.  And itch constantly, which  i thought was dry skin due to the cold weather. But am not sure.. I seen some names of some medicine that was listed on this web site, and would like to ask my doctor about them, what are they and do they help.. I had alot of problems when my gall bladder was removed. I had alot of gall stones which some were in my bile duct. So I had to have a stent put in, which they removed a month later. When they removed the stent they put a rip in my liver.. Which they said has healed, but i am not sure, could that be why it burns. Is excess bile normal? It has me scared and not sure if I can trust these doctors anymore. any suggestions!

Keriamon
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   Posted 3/5/2008 3:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, excess bile is normal; a LOT of people have problems with it. I am one of them.

The medicine I take is Welchol. It is a cholesterol pill that works by binding up the bile in the intestines. Bile is actually made from bad cholesterol, so by binding it up and causing you to poop it out--instead of recycling it through reabsorption--it causes your liver to use up more bad cholesterol in order to make more bile. When someone like me takes it, it just binds up all that bile that is coming out when I don't need it and I poop it out pretty normally. I still have to be somewhat careful of what I eat, but nothing like before. This same medicine helped my mother-in-law, who was even worse than I was; she had D every single day, just as soon as she ate.

Colestid and Questran are the other two products in the same family which do the same thing. I don't think I've heard of any problems with the Colestid, which is newer and less prescribed, but many people on the Questran have complained of excess gas/gas cramps. I've not heard of anyone complain about that with the Welchol, and I don't have that problem, so I recommend it first. The other problem with Questran is that it's a powder that you have ot mix with water. This makes taking it when you are traveling highly inconvenient. On the other hand, if I feel D coming on, I will pop a Welchol pill and just need a swig of liquid to wash it down. No having to mix something up in the car.

You may be burning because the excess bile is acting as a irritant on your intestines/stomach. Or it may have something to do with your bile duct/liver problem. I also take Caltrate 600 w/ Vitamin D to help control my D, and I found that it helps soothe my intestines too (something calcium is actually known to do--soothe minor irritation); you might try a couple of those to see if that helps the burning. Some people can get by with just taking the calcium to control their D, but you sound like yours is bad enough and has so much bile in it that you will be like me and need a prescription medicine too.

Keriamon
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   Posted 3/5/2008 3:03 PM (GMT -6)   
Yes, excess bile is normal; a LOT of people have problems with it. I am one of them.

The medicine I take is Welchol. It is a cholesterol pill that works by binding up the bile in the intestines. Bile is actually made from bad cholesterol, so by binding it up and causing you to poop it out--instead of recycling it through reabsorption--it causes your liver to use up more bad cholesterol in order to make more bile. When someone like me takes it, it just binds up all that bile that is coming out when I don't need it and I poop it out pretty normally. I still have to be somewhat careful of what I eat, but nothing like before. This same medicine helped my mother-in-law, who was even worse than I was; she had D every single day, just as soon as she ate.

Colestid and Questran are the other two products in the same family which do the same thing. I don't think I've heard of any problems with the Colestid, which is newer and less prescribed, but many people on the Questran have complained of excess gas/gas cramps. I've not heard of anyone complain about that with the Welchol, and I don't have that problem, so I recommend it first. The other problem with Questran is that it's a powder that you have ot mix with water. This makes taking it when you are traveling highly inconvenient. On the other hand, if I feel D coming on, I will pop a Welchol pill and just need a swig of liquid to wash it down. No having to mix something up in the car.

You may be burning because the excess bile is acting as a irritant on your intestines/stomach. Or it may have something to do with your bile duct/liver problem. I also take Caltrate 600 w/ Vitamin D to help control my D, and I found that it helps soothe my intestines too (something calcium is actually known to do--soothe minor irritation); you might try a couple of those to see if that helps the burning. Some people can get by with just taking the calcium to control their D, but you sound like yours is bad enough and has so much bile in it that you will be like me and need a prescription medicine too.

fedup37
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   Posted 3/9/2008 1:50 PM (GMT -6)   
I have had my gall bladder removed over 2 1/2 years ago and now i have more problems then before. I have alot of issues with my bowels do to intolerance to any food with flavor and now the Dr seems to think that I have IBS. Is this a normal side affect of losing the gall bladder do to the bile? I too have the pain under my ribs and the phantom pains like I did when I would have a gall bladder attack. Your losing your energy level due to the lack of food in your system. I eat a great deal of chicken, fish and pasta. I understand about being scared to eat!! I'm right there with you. I have a rule of thumb for food these days and i'm so tired of not being able to eat things with flavor!! The rule is, "If it doesn't fly or swim I don't eat it." Best of luck to you!! I know that i can relate to what your feeling and it's very stressful and people just dont' understand!

lnape
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   Posted 3/9/2008 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Bile is most likely the cause of most of the symptoms you report.

This is what has helped me for more than 9 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin C and E seemed to cause me stomach upset.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web site. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but maybe 4 hours apart. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 400 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 50 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post-menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea.
The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

LNAPENTS@netscape.net
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Denny
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   Posted 3/11/2008 11:31 PM (GMT -6)   

It is also possible to have gallstones develop in the bile duct, even though you no longer have your gallbladder.  Possibly a cause for the pain under your rib area.  Also, the the use of laproscopic surgery when removing gallbladders, side effects/complications can arise that otherwise might not have. Alot depends on the expertise of the surgeon in laproscopic surgery, how well he/she manipulates the equipment in the somewhat small area, and if any surrounding tissue/organ was damaged during surgery.

I'm a questran user and have been highly satisfied with it for many years...but as another poster mentioned, mixing it with water is a pain..especially if you forget to rinse the glass out well after drinking it.  Let the residue dry, and no dishwasher is going to remove it well..you'll have to handwash it!! LOL


electric_lady45
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   Posted 4/2/2008 11:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Well I went to the dr and he put me on cholestryamine, which is a pain because of the mixing , I have been on it for 2 weeks and have been having more d than normal, but it has caused the itching not to be so bad. I asked for the pill form but was told because of the itching I would have to be on this for now, because the bile is coming out in my skin. I just got some calcium and I am gonna try taking that also.. This just sucks,, I am getting ready to go on a vacation to disney world with my family and am worried that I won't be able to enjoy myself because of this.. I have changed my diet alot lately, with a little noticeable change.. I cannot eat salads anymore, bad,bad, cramps from them,, nor can I eat yogurt anymore. I one thing I have noticed from this medicine is heartburn, I have not had heartburn since I got the gallbladder out, it is one of the side effects. How long does it take before the medicine starts working? confused

Sarita
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   Posted 4/3/2008 12:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi electric_lady, I'm sorry the cholestyramine hasn't been working for you! It has a pretty immediate effect. If it was bile causing your diarrhea, it should have slowed you down within the first few doses. You say you're going more frequently now?

Is there any reason why you say the bile is coming out of your skin? There is probably another reason for your itching. Have you had any basic blood work done lately? I wonder if it's something else causing your symptoms, instead of complications from gallbladder surgery...what has your doctor said?
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lnape
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   Posted 4/3/2008 8:40 AM (GMT -6)   
I never heard of bile coming of you skin unless you mean when you have a BM it is burning in that area.

Anyway, if you want some one on one help with the calcium just email me and I will see what I can offer you.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Keriamon
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   Posted 4/3/2008 8:55 AM (GMT -6)   
I think that sounds pretty odd too. And yes, it should make your diarrhea lessen within 24 hours of your first dose. But two things: one, you may not be taking enough of it; I adjust my Welchol dose based on how my bowel movements are going; and two, you still have to be careful about what you eat. While I can eat more things on Welchol than not on it, I do not have complete freedom of diet. Caffeine and fruit juices are no-nos for me, as is most fast food.

Sheree
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Total Posts : 37
   Posted 5/2/2008 6:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Linda, I am back on the boards again. My D is awful and it has really disabled me. I am post GB 1 1/2 years. I am one of those that gets it if I put anything in my mouth to eat. I cannot take the Questran or Welchol because it binds the bile and also my medications. I just read your post again and wanted to ask when you take your thyroid and other meds?? I have to take my Synthroid first thing in the AM and then I eat in a half hour. Today I chewed tums after breakfast to try and do the calicium, and I got D after a little bite of lunch I had at 3 PM. I cannot eat anything after breakfast until dinner or I will get D within 1 hour to 1 1/2 hours after. So that puts me at just breakfast (oatmeal) until dinner. I take a immodium at 1 PM and then dinner at 5 or 6. If I don't eat all afternoon then I can get through until that time. I am married to the house and am miserable. Yes, I like all of you, also get yellow fluid coming through.

If you can again tell me about spacing the meds with the calcium I will try it again. The caltrate was to hard on my tummy. I got terrible stomach aches after it......Did you eat it just with meals? Did you experiment with anything else...I am so desperate and upset. I lost my husband in January and with the D as well, I am so restricted, sad, and grieving deeply. I am exhausted with all the D and so much to take care of!!

Thanks so much



lnape said...
Bile is most likely the cause of most of the symptoms you report.

This is what has helped me for more than 9 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin C and E seemed to cause me stomach upset.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web site. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but maybe 4 hours apart. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 400 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 50 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post-menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea.
The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

LNAPENTS@netscape.net

lnape
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Date Joined Mar 2003
Total Posts : 185
   Posted 5/4/2008 11:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Sheree,

You must take the calcium at least one hour after taking the thyroid medication. That is the only medication I take. SO I get up and take my thyroid first thing. I get ready for work the eat some oatmeal or special K or something like that and take my first calcium tablet. You need to only take 1/2 tablet with your 3 daily meals for the first 3 days. You will get some gas or indigestion but it should not be bad.

Try not to take anything else until you see if the calcium can work for you.

Email me if yo like.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Sheree
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 37
   Posted 7/29/2008 4:31 PM (GMT -6)   
I am back on the boards. I have been taking Tums Smoothies which are calcium carbonate and they are helping form my stool a bit, but I take them in the late afternoon. I have to take the Synthroid in the AM, then eat, then immodium at one, then another med at 2PM and then within two hours is the only opening to take the tums or calciium as it will block the other meds. I wish I could take it after breakfast, but for sure it would block my thryroid meds. I still don't have it figured out right. I had a visitor the other night and I had to take lomotil to stop the D..... I was very cotton mouthed, but the D stopped.

I just back from the cardiologist and he wants to start me on cholesterol medication. I have no coronary artery disease, however since I had my gall bladder out, my triglicerides and cholesterol have tripled and I have lost weight. I eat the same as I ate before the GB and never had this problem. We redid the testing to see if there was an error and it came back a bit lower but the LDL was horrible. Never, Never, had this problem. The bottom line is that we both feel that my body has changed in the way I handle foods now, than before I had my GB out. That bums me out. I am not overweight at all. I am 5'8 and weight 155 lbs. Size 10 and this should not be happening. So now, I am making lots of cholesterol.....

Does anyone else have this problem since GB removal? And what do you take in the cholesterol meds??? I wonder which one is easier on the liver??? Oh my, who knew removing a GB would cause all this???? I am sure I am not the only one with this new problem, along with the struggle with D.....

Love
Sheree

lnape
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   Posted 7/29/2008 5:27 PM (GMT -6)   
This is what I do. I take synthroid as soon as I wake up. Then I get my bath and get ready for work. about one hour has passed then I can take my calcium with my breakfast. I do not use tums because it dissloves to fast and I don't think it works as well as calcium carbonate in a tablet with vitamin D.

I too was put on lipitor but did not stay on if but about a year and my liver function was getting out of whack and I had lots of muscle pain and my cpk went up meaning I had tissue damage so I stopped the lipitor and it took about 2 years to get things back to normal. Except the cholestrol of course.

I will not take the lipitor any more.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Sheree
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Date Joined Dec 2006
Total Posts : 37
   Posted 7/29/2008 7:39 PM (GMT -6)   
Linda, thanks for your input.....Then how long do I have to wait before I can take my next medication?? Two or three hours after the calcium??? I don't eat until abot 10 AM then if I take the calicium with it I have my next medication at 1:00 PM....also, I get terrible gas with the caltrate!!! I will try it again and see....I will start with 1/2 a tablet. The tums has done well in giving me a formed stool in the morning again, or at least some of the time. But I am open to the calcium carbonate again, I will try it tomorrow. It's the gas that gets awful after an hour or so.


YOU SAID

I too was put on lipitor but did not stay on if but about a year and my liver function was getting out of whack and I had lots of muscle pain and my cpk went up meaning I had tissue damage so I stopped the lipitor and it took about 2 years to get things back to normal. Except the cholestrol of course


My question is did they put you a large dose of lipitor??? I sure don't want aching musles and more to mess up my liver....it is messed up already... You said your back to normal except for your cholesterol??? Does that mean it is really high now?? Also, how about your triglicerides??? Do you know much about Zeita, Crestor???

Thanks so much for your input...also, did your cholesterol jump up with the year after GB surgery as well, or was it high before??

Thanks so much
Sheree

annalisa
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   Posted 7/30/2008 1:36 AM (GMT -6)   
having problems with itching since my gallbladder was removed and I also gastroparesis since it was taking out, do any of you have this problem? was taking out 3 years ago, need any sugg what I can do,
will see GI Dr Wed, have pain on upper right side of rid the itching the worst to deal with.

Thank You,
Eva

Keriamon
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   Posted 7/30/2008 9:07 AM (GMT -6)   
I tired to post yesterday, but the boards were being weird.
 
My husband was put on a statin (that's Crestor, Lipitor, Zocor, and a bunch of others).  We think it's either what caused him to develop frozen shoulder in both arms, or at the very least kept them from healing.  He was in constant pain with his shoulders and he only got some mobility back through physical therapy.  We do medieval re-enacting and he fights, but he had to quit after his shoulders got messed up and we both thought that he was never going to fight again ever. 
 
http://www.spacedoc.net/  I found this website (by a doctor and former NASA astronaut) after reading an article on MSN (no longer available, unfortunately) that doctors are bad to ignore muscle and joint pain in people taking statins, even through that's a listed side effect and you're not supposed to continue to take them if you have those pains, because in some cases it can lead to a disease which eats up or kills your muscles.  However it works, you can die from it.  That's rare, BUT the first warning sign is muscle and/or joint pain, so that's why you're supposed to stop taking the statins. 
 
The NASA doctor is VERY much against all statins and he's got all kinds of medical speak for why they mess you up. 
 
Personally, I think cholesterol science is junk science.  They can't figure out how it works before telling people to be afraid and take drastic measures.  Remember when eggs were evil?  Then they weren't.  Then maybe they are.  Then no, they're okay.  Well, right now, they're okay for normal people but bad for diabetic men.  When scientists first discovered cholesterol, they said all cholesterol is EVIL.  Never eat it again!  Then they later found out that there's good and bad cholesterol and if you don't get enough good, you can have a stroke and die.  Oops.  That explains why so many people are dying of stroke instead of heart disease.  Our bad!  eyes   Now there's some evidence that bad cholesterol comes in large and small and if yours is large, no worries.  If it's small, that's what sticks and clogs your arteries.  I think the Space Doc there on his website says that there is also a concern that statins may break up large bad cholesterol in people and turn it into the small kind, which is actually worse. 
 
There are some natural ways to have a healthy heart (regardless of cholesterol).  The French, Japanese and Mediterranian diets are all very good for your heart.  Flax seed oil raises good cholesterol and seems to lower bad.  As do B vitamins and fish oil (think about it, people in the Mediterranian eat a lot of fish, as do the Japanese).
 
When my husband stopped taking the statins, his shoulders started to improve.  It's taken time and him doing physical therapy on his own, but they don't hurt all the time like they used to and he's gotten more mobility and he's started to do medieval fighting again.  Oh, and statins have also been linked to insomnia.  He is prone to bouts of insomnia anyways, but it got so terrible when he was on the statin (I think he was on Lipitor, but this is common to all of them); he was taking a sleeping pill most every night and still not getting sleep.  After he stopped the statin, he started sleeping again like he used to, with only occasional bouts of insomnia, but not constantly. 
 
The other class of cholesterol drugs, bile sequestrants, include Welchol, Questran and Colestid.  These drugs are actually good for bile diarrhea--I take the Welchol JUST to control my bile diarrhea.  They do not get into the bloodstream, so they do not have side effects like statins and can't change large cholesterol to small or anything like that.  The problem with them is they can block absorption of vitamins and soem medicines.  I take a multi-vitamin to compensate for this, but unfortunately for you, thyroid medicine is the one thing you can't take with them.  They don't allow you to absorb enough of your thyroid medicine.  There was another lady on here who tried the Welchol, but could never get it timed with her thyroid medcine at all, so she had to give it up. 
 
I'm not sure if there's a third class of cholesterol medicines, but I know statins are bad and the bile sequestrants are bad if you are on thyroid medicine. If there's not something else you can try, me, personally, I'd take up one of those diets (I've actually tried the French diet for weight loss, but it does require a lot of cooking from scratch and I'm really strapped for time right now with work) and the fish oil or flax seed.  My mother's seen improvement in her numbers just with the flax seed and my husband's doctor put him on prescription-strength fish oil (no joke; it exists!).  He's also added a B-vitamin mix (he's on a diabetes medicine which can lower his B-vitamins, so there's a double purpose there for him). 
 
 

lnape
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   Posted 7/30/2008 9:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I am kind of feeling just like Keriamon on the cholesterol meds. At first 200 was a good number then it is not acceptable any more. My husband can lower his with some diet changes and mainly working out to 174 but this is still not good enough for the docs and they want him at 150. What a joke. It is a problem for me to use Zieta the doc said because of digestive problems which I used to have it can bring them back so that is not a good choice either. I have chosen to improve my diet trying Nutri System for now and not take the meds. The side effects are too great for me. DO not want to look at a liver transplant which as you get older you will never be on a list to get one but that is another story.

I just had a blood test since making the changes but have not been to the doctor to get the results yet. So we will see about that. Everything is a risk and I feel not taking the meds is my choice and I do not worry about it. I was 26 when I had my gall bladder removed so I have no clue what the cholesterol was then I am now 59 and am living with 247 at the previous testing. I will have to see what if anything my changes have done for that.

I think taking less of anything or nothing is better for the body.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Keriamon
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   Posted 7/30/2008 2:33 PM (GMT -6)   
<<At first 200 was a good number then it is not acceptable any more. My husband can lower his with some diet changes and mainly working out to 174 but this is still not good enough for the docs and they want him at 150. What a joke.>>

My husband has complained about this with diabetes too. The acceptable blood sugar level keeps getting lowered. And in 1990, the acceptable weight range in the BMI was lowered. As far as I am aware, there's been no hard and fast science to prove that either needed to be lowered.

I'm not really a conspiracist, but I think drug companies have a lot to do with this. The more impossible it is to hit a number, the more drugs you will need to rely upon. People didn't seem to take nearly so many drugs in the 80's, and yet our life expectency has not greatly increased. What's the cost of a few additional months?

MerriamGuy
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   Posted 12/24/2008 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
Man! I had my gallbladder removed about 2 years ago. Since then I have this ghost burning pain that comes and goes 20-30 times a day. In my lower right back resinating internally. I smoke, Ive had x-rays all clear, Liver enzymes tested, nothing. Doc's says its ghost pain from gallbladder removal, or stress. Built a new home in 2005-2006, Had to sell it due to the onset of this economy thank God!, Went through Divorce, Bankruptcy, in the last year, Now my Job tanking lol. Still think burning isnt stress, Went to Chiro last winter had a elevated rib right lower, pain never went totally away after treatment. Now its back with a vengence. Ive lost 90 lbs working out at the gym, Had been diagnosed with a fatty liver before gallbladder surgery, Had Liver enzyme test since awesome recovery! So I dont think its my liver. I do drink ALOT OF BEER!, To relieve my current stress. However in the past three years i can stop drinking and pain is still there with good liver enzyme test results. So man this stinks. Any suggestions?  

Jashi
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   Posted 12/24/2008 1:09 PM (GMT -6)   
Well I don't drink ever and I have the same thing.  I started getting the pain immediately and like you worried that it was liver or something - and like you - all tests come back good.  In my case, the docs day its "Neuropathy" because of my fibromyalgia - but, I know its not the same kind of pain....
 
I was starting to think i was going insane - that it was just me.
 
I hope someone on here can give us both some advice.
 
Jashi
 
 
 

lnape
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   Posted 12/24/2008 1:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Check into bile salts problems since you have had the gall bladder removed.

This is what has helped me for more than 10 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin C and E seemed to cause me stomach upset.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web site. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but maybe 4 hours apart. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just cut the dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 400 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 50 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post-menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea.
The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

LNAPENTS@netscape.net
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


Jashi
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   Posted 12/25/2008 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
wow! good info. so very sorry you have been through so much, but it is nice to know i am not alone.

the only thing with me is, i am more IBS than D, only get D sometimes mostly C or no urge.

I also hate that it wakes me up and keeps me from sleeping, perhaps i will start a new thread on that.... i think i will

thx again
Jashi
"Success is falling down nine times and getting up ten."  ~Jon Bon Jovi
 


MJarrett
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   Posted 6/1/2009 11:25 AM (GMT -6)   
I too have occational yellow in the commode and especially on the toilet paper.  But my current question is, has anyone had or heard of yeast overproduction after their gall bladder was removed.  I am having issue with that and don't know what to do for it.  I currently eat a cup of low fat yogurt everday.  Have for months.  My tongue is white, I itch...I just wonder if there is any relation to excess bile production causing the excess yeast.
 
Marianne

MJarrett
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   Posted 6/1/2009 11:38 AM (GMT -6)   
I should have mentioned, I had my gall bladder removed 9 weeks ago. After being extremely sick for over 6 months.  The doctor kept coming back to it even so tests showed it was ok, had ultrasound, cat scan, xrays, blood work, stomach looked at.  This is bizarre.
 
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