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Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/13/2008 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I think that there is a fairly good chance I am going to be bald by the end of the day. Postponed jury duty back in Feb. because I couldn't get a medical excuse from my normal doctor so that I wouldn't get summoned again. Then life happened. Fast forward to now and I am trying again. Because of life I haven't been able to get a new GI guy and when I did have one lined up( before I got the urge to run like hades) both appointments got canceled. First by the fact that I was due to show up the day of the appointment and the second time because 1. I was pregnant( and he wouldn't do anything while I was pregnant) and I was moving on the exact day of the appointment. Now I need to find a new GI guy, get an appointment for NEXT WEEK, convince them to write me a note saying that yes I have IBS and jury duty is a hardship( for crying out I haven't even left the house in three weeks because of severe symptoms), write my own letter as to why I can't serve due to my IBS( I'm tempted to just write it as gross as possible, but that may backfire) and dig out my disability award papers and send them in and make sure they get there before the 27th. Any tips on how to write my letter( in a tasteful way that still gets the point across), plead my case with a new GI guy and stay sane?

Yes I have thought about doing a good clear out the night before and drugging myself up so that I could serve. But that is still not a fool proof way to keep me from getting sick and if it kicks in while in the court room I CAN'T GET TO THE LADIES TILL THEY CALL A BREAK!!!! Yes I called and asked and it's not considered reasonable to ask them to let me use the bathroom on my guts schedule and not their's. Right now I am even willing to go back to Dr. Robot and give him a second chance. When I was talking to the jury duty lady she said that once being on Disability was good enough for a permanent excuse but since so many people are disabled but still capable of serving they changed that. Same with getting a note from a family doctor, too many people abusing it. I need to go play with my weeds( my window box garden), I'm starting to have a mild panic attack just thinking about this.

Keriamon
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   Posted 6/13/2008 10:21 AM (GMT -6)   
Wait, aren't you on disability? Surely you can submit proof of that and say your disability is constant bowel problems? I would think that disability (that keeps you from working) of any kind should be an automatic out. After all, being on a jury is condsidered work; they pay you (a pittance) for it.

Besides, unless you are serving on a grand jury, you will still need to be selected by the lawyers. They will ask you if there's any reason why you feel you can't serve and you can tell them flat out that you have gut problems so bad you are on disability and you will need to leave the courtroom at least once every half hour--every 15 minutes after eating a meal. No attorney would ever pick you to serve!

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/13/2008 11:03 AM (GMT -6)   
Around here just being on disability is not proof enough anymore. I need a doctor's note to back up the disability claim. Sure I may get dismissed by the lawyers but there is still the bit about having to go down there in the first place. DH would have to take off work to take me in because we only have one car and no public transportation till we get almost there. DH would have to drive 25 minutes to get me to the closest bus station and then it's a 45 minute bus right from there. If he drove an extra 15 minutes he could drop me off at the front door. Just for that ride I would have to do the whole clear out the day before ( to reduce ammo so to speak) and then NOT EAT till I know that I am not going to have to serve on a jury. It doesn't help that I just called the GI guy that my doc told me to see( I prefer the referral to come from my NP because she's been with me longer but I no longer have the option of being picky) is on lunch and I need to hope he has an emergency opening for next week. He's farther away then I would like but it's in an area that I know so I can plan my route for the one with the most bathrooms. But if I get this accepted I will never be summoned again unless I opt back in.

Keriamon
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   Posted 6/13/2008 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Why won't your regular doctor write an excuse as he surely knows you are now on disability and he surely knows why?

You can also cite the fact that you have no transportation from your house (because they're not supposed to force someone else to miss work to chauffer you around). And do you have kids at home that you have to look after?

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/13/2008 11:32 AM (GMT -6)   
It's a county thing not a doc's office thing. Too many people getting their PCP to write excuses for false reasons. The doc's office has had that policy for a long time since they found out that they trusted someone enough to write that note and found out they got lied to. I tried my old GI guy and that's how I found out he had discharged me from his care and would get in trouble for writing me the note since I technically wasn't under his care any more. And well I haven't seen the first guy( Dr. Robot) since 2003 so I'm SOL there because it's needs to be current. Trying the new guy once his office comes back from lunch and seeing if I can get in for an emergency appointment. I will gladly pay the whole bill out of pocket of need be.

Keriamon
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   Posted 6/13/2008 12:18 PM (GMT -6)   
Crazy. When I got a summons for grand jury duty, I told my boss and he wrote them a note that he couldn't spare me and that was the end of it. I was actually a bit disappointed because I was interested in doing it! But my boss (did I mention he was a lawyer?) said that grand juries were generally a waste of time. Maybe he'd have let me do it if it had been a cooler form of jury duty, LOL.

Although knowing I'm in the legal field may be why my name hasn't come up again. Lawyers on both sides don't want jurors who think too much for themselves. And I'd be questioning how they were functioning, saying the jury room that they failed to ask the right questions or asked the wrong ones entirely, etc. LOL

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/13/2008 12:57 PM (GMT -6)   
Just got off the phone with the new guy and he's only accepting new patients if the patient is referred by their PCP( thank heavens I was) and he gets mu medical records and he deems he can do something. So now to call both the PCP and doc that said he couldn't do anything else for me and have them fax over my records. IF this guy is willing to see me I may not get an appointment for two to three weeks. IF he accepts me, it's begging time( not sure how well bribes of homemade cookies would go over so I'll stick with begging.

And my PCP gave me the wrong number before. No wonder I couldn't get a hold of the new guy. It was one digit off.

Marsky
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   Posted 6/13/2008 3:26 PM (GMT -6)   
I was called to jury duty but when I described my situation to the foreman or whoever screens you on the phone first, said she didn't want me sitting there, chomping at the bit needing a bathroom break. She'd rather have someone there who could focus on the court case. I breathed a huge sigh of relief. I had to have my Internist write a letter than I struggle with daily, chronic IBS-like symptoms due to having part of my colon removed, from rectal cancer. Once I sent it in, they read it and approved me for dismissal.

Of course it didn't help that all around me were people telling me - why are you stressing out, hardly anyone is ever really called to sit in a jury chair for 8 straight hours!

But these people (hubby included) didn't get it - the very possibility I might serve is what was freaking me out.

Oh the foreman asked if there was something to could take or do so I wouldn't need to the bathroom. I said - sure, I can fast for 24 hours prior to reporting for jury duty. She said - oh no, can't have you doing that. Can't worry about you passing out on me!

In other words, I made it clear I'd be a bigger pain to deal with than your everyday jury member.

Just tell them what this will be like for you and do not hold anything back. That's what I did and it did work out in the end. I was so incredibly relieved to get out of jury duty!

Oh the other thing people said - you'll get paid you know......yeah, the money is so substantial it makes it all worthwhile. LOL

I wish you luck with this.

Mary

Canyonbabe711
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   Posted 6/13/2008 4:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Frankly I would call them and explain you situation and see if you can get it postpones again so by then you will have the necessary paperwork. I found them very nice when I called about not being able to do it. The clerk can submit your request to the judge. Just be nice and tell her what your problem is. Most people don't even bother to call, they just don't show up and nothng ever happens, at least around here. The chances are the clerk or the judge is well aware of this chronic condition. As for your Dr that dismissed you not being able to write it that sounds like a crocK.

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/13/2008 4:36 PM (GMT -6)   
I can get another postponement but I have to prove that it was for something else other then what it was for before. I called them today. I got a send in the doctor's note( specialist not PCP), my note as to why I can't serve and if I send in my disability papers it's a permanent thing. They are not very nice around here. If it a second postponement they don't even accept it over the phone. DH is sending my letter to the one doctor certified mail tomorrow so that my second GI guy can fax my records to the new one. I was basically told no doctor's note, I have to serve. If I can get this done it's not just this time that I don't have to serve but I will never get called up again.

Oh bugger. I just remembered my records at the second GI guy is under my maiden name. I have to actually show up there on Tuesday and bring proof that I got married for them to release my records. I can't even go there on Monday because the office I saw him at is closed on Mondays. I think I am going to go take a hot bath, grab a glass of iced tea( no alcohol in the house) and forget the world exists till Monday. I guess the good news is that I got my PCP to transfer my records over to the new guy and hopefully they will accept the fact that the second guy gave my PCP copies of his records already.

Canyonbabe711
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   Posted 6/13/2008 8:26 PM (GMT -6)   
What will happen if you don't go? Where I live nothing happens here where I live. They figure only a percentage of people will show up anyway so they always ask for more than they need. I know plenty of people that really did just forget and they were never contacted. I don't see how they can reguire you to go to a specialist. Why not just send in your note and a copy of your disability papers and tell them Doctor note to follow. Where the heck do you live that they put you thru all this. sounds like they have too much time on their hands.

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/14/2008 10:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Erie County in New York. If I don't go it's considered willful disobedience and it's punishable by a 1K fine and 30 days in jail. My fear of prison time is great enough that I am not going to risk it. It's strange around here at times. I needed to go in in person to change my name on my driver's license but my hubby could go in with just my birth certificate and marriage license and get my name changed on my social security card and get me issued a new one. Most of what I see going on around here doesn't make much sense. I've never heard of people getting hauled off to jail for not showing up but there is always a first time for everything.

Canyonbabe711
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   Posted 6/14/2008 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
I think the difference there is they probably had to take a picture for DL but it does sounds strange. I guess it is still a man's world. If they put everyone around here in jail that didn't show up there would probably be an empty city and forget trying to get money out of people but I certainly understand your concern. You don't need that worry.

FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/15/2008 10:34 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi there!! I just wanted to add some advice from the UC and Crohns forums on getting out of jury duty.

Here is the UC post: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&p=1&m=1081913
 
Fitzy, all I did was make your links linkable. - Lil :-)

Post Edited By Moderator (7Lil) : 6/15/2008 11:13:56 PM GMT


Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/17/2008 9:36 AM (GMT -6)   
OK, I'm going to attempt to get the second postponement based on not having the doctor's note. I'm going to send in a copy of my disability award letter and a letter stating why I don't have a doctor's note to be excused and why I can't serve due to my IBS. My one specialist is being a pain in the rear to get my records over to the new guy( I was told not to bother coming in but to just send the letter by a different person at the office because 1) my guy is out of town and 2) they just did a record purge and any records that are not current patients or were discharged 6 months or less ago are in storage and it will take a few days to dig them out. She did say that mine were around there somewhere) and there is no way I am going to get an appointment in time( if any) and a note to the jury people before the deadline. I can only cross my fingers and pray.

Right now I am proof that things happen in threes. I now need to see yet another doctor because a cyst I have on my jaw decided to swell up. I've had it for years and was told it was harmless as it was staying the same size. Now I am going to have to go in a have yet another out patient surgery because the blasted thing went from the size of a half a dried pea to the size of a peanut. And it hurts. Plus I got a phone call from yet another doctor to make sure I had my follow-up visit for out patient surgery I had back in April. I was supposed to do that a month ago and never did because I dropped my regular practice that I went to because they were not listening. I can see the money flying out of my bank account now.

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   Posted 6/17/2008 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   

Oh my gosh, Lady Fog, I am SO SORRY!  What a nightmare you're dealing with.  I guess the old adage is true... "When it rains, it pours."  sad

Maybe you could put a little side note in your jury letter saying, "By the way, I also have a giant tumor growing out of my neck... it isn't pretty." (exaggerate some)
Seriously though, they have to excuse you from jury duty solely based on your medical records.  It just seems silly you have to work this hard.  My heart goes out to you, dear.
As for your tumor... (((((((Lady Fog))))))) I don't even know what to say.  I wonder if the growth has something to do with stress.  confused   I wish you a quick and painless surgery.  AND, I wish you winning lottery numbers!  tongue

Boy, it's amazing how much we've spent on medical care, isn't it?  I have a giant folder in my files overflowing with medical receipts and papers.  I wish we had a better system.

GOOD LUCK to you!!!!


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   Posted 6/17/2008 10:42 AM (GMT -6)   
It's not a tumor. It's just a fluid filled cyst that I have had since I was like ten. It's completely harmless but my doc years ago recommended getting it removed if it got bigger solely for cosmetic reasons. LOL my hubby was complaining about the medical bills last week because we got a bill from the ultrasound place. He was joking around that the only reason I married him was for the health insurance. It was 150$ after my insurance paid part. We also just shelled out another hundred bucks for tests that I thought I never did but I guess did happen( I called and asked).

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   Posted 6/17/2008 11:32 AM (GMT -6)   
Oh, sorry for saying tumor... I mentioned it in the exaggerated letter to the jury/court folks, and I guess I accidentally repeated it.
Now a days, a lot of people go overseas to get "cosmetic" work done because of the drastic cost difference. I'm even guilty of it (had several sketchy moles removed). I’m not saying you should do it... I’m just pointing out that our health care cost are practically unaffordable. It's such a shame.  nono
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Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/18/2008 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
OK I have the letter to them written. Let me know if I'm missing anything or went overboard anywhere.

To Whom It May Concern:

I need to request an excusal from jury duty. I have an illness called Irritable Bowel Syndrome. It does not allow me perform my duties as a juror. I frequently need to use the restroom as I have uncontrollable diarrhea, accompanied by severe abdominal pain. This not only limits my ability to serve, but also severely limits my ability to have a normal, functional life. I was granted Social Security Disability as of March of this year as I am no longer able to hold down a job of any kind. I am currently between specialists and my primary care physician has an office policy that they will not write any excuses for jury duty. They leave that up to the specialist, which I am currently trying to become the patient of Dr. H. W. That is why I am not able to include a doctor’s note with my documentation. If I am not able to get an excusal I would like to be granted a second postponement. If the postponement is granted I would be able to serve starting January 1st 2009. If you have any questions please call me at (***) ***-****.

I'm going to include my disability award letter and anything else I can dig up. I'm also going to see if I can get a note just saying that I have IBS from my doc. Not an excuse just a "yes this person has this condition". But need to call them soon so that hubby can pick it up on his way home from work.

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   Posted 6/18/2008 2:25 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds very good.  Explains how you are sick and why it keeps you from serving on the jury. 
 
Would it be too much to add that you also do not have your own car, and so you have no reliable means of transportation to and from jury duty?  Making your husband leave work to come get you, take you there, go back to work, leave work again, pick you up, take you home, then go back to work is not reasonable.  It's also not reliable because what if he can't leave work?

Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/18/2008 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Hmm good point. I probably should add that. The fact that hubby has to take off of work to take me in because we only have the one car and neither of us can take the bus. Oh and I got my regular doc to write me a note. Not an excuse mind you but a note saying that I was diagnosed with IBS. I am still technically covered under "Documentation such as a letter from a licensed physician" :-) Hubby is picking it up on his way home from work.

Post Edited (Lady Frog) : 6/18/2008 1:51:10 PM (GMT-6)


Canyonbabe711
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   Posted 6/18/2008 4:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Ladyfrog, you letter sounds good except I would have this one question if I were reading it as a judge. If you cannot serve now due to your disability how are you going to be able to serve in 2009. If you are saying that your IBS keeps you serving it makes no sense to say you can serve later since it is a permanent condition(which I would add in there when you mention IBS) The reason really for the postponement is so that will give you time to get your Doctors letter which would excuse you permanently. Perhaps you should reword it so that you are asking for a postponement to enable you to have time to get your new specialists letter that will permanently take you off the jury selection roles as you will never be able to serve based on your intestinal disorder. Just a thought.
 
I don't think they give a fig about how you get there. I don't think that serves any purpose to add. Many people don't drive or have cars and it really doesn't disqualify them.


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   Posted 6/18/2008 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with canyon, if you can't serve now it is unlikely you'll be able to serve in 2009.
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Lady Frog
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   Posted 6/19/2008 12:06 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll remove the part about the postponement then. I have to send this certified mail tomorrow. Currently digging through the mass of papers that got lumped together when we moved for my acceptance letter. If they don't grant me the excusal I'll just have to call them and pain about it. Maybe I can send the brochure that 7Lil linked in another thread. The one to give to non-IBS people.

FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/20/2008 8:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I agree with Canyon. You can ask for a postponement but say it is to get your letter from your specialist to permenantly excuse you. I wouldn't send the pamphlet. Most people know what IBS is and since you are sending verification that you have been awarded disability they will know it is much more severe than the little catch phrase people throw around when they have a tummy ache if you know what I mean. But if you want to throw it in I don't think it would hurt you either.

I also agree not to mention transportation issues. It unfortunatly is not an excuse from jury duty in most areas.
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