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KoifishK
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   Posted 8/5/2009 1:04 AM (GMT -7)   
I am new to this and just wondered if anyone had any tips or advice based on my symptoms. I'm 19 and I have been suffering from what I think is IBS for around 11 months now. I have had several blood tests and stool samples, all of which have come back negative. From research, (and being told by two unhelpful doctors who didnt want to do any tests) I am 90% sure that I have IBS.
 
I could cope with this if I had flare ups lasting a few days etc, however I have been in pain constantly for the past 11 months. I can't even begin to remember the last time I went to the toilet normally. I love my food, but since my early teens havent been able to finish a full meal. I can feel ravenous and yet will still feel full after a few mouthfuls. I went through a particularly stressful period in my life two years ago (work related) and the stress lasted for just over 1 year. I took a month out to recover, before starting a new job. Everything was great, I loved the new job but then I started getting the IBS symptoms. I don't feel stressed out and yet the problem just seems to persist. I have cut out wheat foods (which has been so hard as all my favourite foods seem to contain wheat) and try to get 20 minutes exercise at least 3 times a week. This week I have started a raw food smoothie diet/detox and have purchased some peppermint capsules.
 
My biggest problem is combating work and the symptoms. I get the morning rush and am up and down from my desk every 15-20 minutes which is so embarassing! Then I seem to feel OK until I eat. For the past few months I have been having a banana to start the day, followed by some oat cakes, and then a probiotic yoghurt, apple and nectarine for lunch. I generally have a clear out after lunch but then around 2 hours later I get awful stomach pain, bloatedness and flatulence (again causing me to be away from my desk) I am starting to feel really down as I am not sure what else I can do to stop/prevent/help my IBS. I very rarely drink alcohol, do not smoke and avoid all trigger related foods and scenarios where possible.
 
Any advice/tips/comments would be greatly appreciated as I really do not know what to do! I've had to take today off work because the pain is so bad and I knew I wouldnt be very productive :(. Please help!

Marsky
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   Posted 8/5/2009 6:08 AM (GMT -7)   
If you're trying to get thru a work day, Monday-Friday, eat plain foods in moderation on these specific days. Skip the raw food/smoothie these 5 days as well.

I struggle with IBS/D and have to eat a low residue diet. Do a google search, you probably wouldn't need to be on this diet 100% of the time, but during the work week, if I were in your shoes and want to limit the bm's, clean outs, etc., I would stick to foods on this LRD list.

Also, eat small meals. Do not overwhelm your system with 3 large ones. If after eating a small amount of food for that particular meal you still feel ravenous, drink a tall glass of water. This will trick your stomach into thinking it's full of more food. This is something I do.

Instead of 3 large meals a day, strive for 4 to 6 smaller meals, spaced out. A light snack mid-afternoon might be good to try - a banana or applesauce cup, a handful of pretzels, etc.

Stress can play an important role in managing IBS either C or D. Find something that works for you to instantly calm yourself down - closing your eyes, taking deep breaths, reading a chapter from a novel by an author you enjoy reading, just take a 2 to 5 minute escape, to relax and then refocus so you can return to work.

Hopefully you'll receive more replies. I wish you well. And welcome to the forum!

*edit* One more thing, you could try getting up earlier in the morning, eating right away and then getting ready for work (showering, washing/drying hair, makeup, etc.). Allowing what you just ate to be digested, inducing more bm's (what happens with me). I start work at 9 am but get up at 6. I make sure I am finished having my breakfast by 6:30. Usually by 8 I am done with bm's, until I eat again. I skip lunch also if I have a busy afternoon (appts., and such), I work part time right now. If I had to work full time there is no way I'd eat anything until I got home from work. I wouldn't chance it like that. I know what eating does to me - it induces more bm's, within about 10 to 15 minutes. And like you, they seem to come every 15 minutes or so. Even though my bm's are usually over by 8 am, I like the extra insurance of that 8 to 9 am hour in case I'm still using the bathroom. I work 5 min. from home, which is very convenient.

Mary/Marsky
- Rectal Cancer 4/29/99, Stage I, no treatment necessary
(5 hour colon resection: 90% sigmoid removed, 15 inches of colon removed, gall bladder removed, temporary colostomy, reversed 8 weeks later)
- Chronic IBS/D symptoms, multiple bm's, on low residue diet
- Takes Colace 50 mg each evening

Post Edited (Marsky) : 8/5/2009 8:20:36 AM (GMT-6)


KoifishK
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   Posted 8/5/2009 11:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Mary/Marksy
 
Thanks for your advice. I will definitely give the low residue diet a go, but if I finish breakfast by 8 - i will be starving again by 9! At the moment I will eat a bananna on my drive to work (8am) then start to feel hungry again around 9.30 and so eat 5 oatcakes (small) spread out between 9.30 - 12.30 I am then OK (not hungry) until I eat my lunch (2pm) (apple, nectarine, yoghurt) sometimes I can go the rest of the day without eating, or else I will have a small snack.
 
It doesn't help that I work in a very quiet open plan office - so any stomach noises are magnified. I would like to not eat during the day - as food is starting to make me feel sick because of the hassle it causes. It's just my stomach would be growling all day. And when I say growl, I mean GROWL! I also drink a lot of water during the day - 2 litres minimum. But anything I consume causes me to need to burp. So in between BMs I am also running to the bathroom so that I can burp.
 
I got a book from the library yesterday and read about a liquid diet - where you only drink juices during the day and wondered if anyone had tried this and if so how sustainable was it?
 
Thanks for your help
KoifishK

mca
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   Posted 8/6/2009 12:29 AM (GMT -7)   
KoifishK,

What is the general consistency of your bowel movements (BMs) (ie liquid)? What is the frequency of BMs per day on average? Have you ever been on antibiotics of any kind in the past (ei doctors orders, post-dental work, hospital care, or other)?

Along with yogurt probiotics, have you tried other probiotics with scientific proof of reducing D symptoms?

KoifishK
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   Posted 8/6/2009 1:02 AM (GMT -7)   

It generally varies between liquid and pellet like. (My boyfriend jokes that I poo nesquick) On average I would say I go 6 - 8 times in the morning and then a further 2-4 times in the afternoon evening. And then in the evening I am just in pain and just have to lay with a water bottle. I haven't taken antibiotics for a good few years - I used to suffer with tonsilitis frequently but havent had an outbreak for a few years. *edit* thats not to say that I took antibiotics everytime I had tonsilities, but there was one or two occaisions where I had to take penicillin because it was so bad *edit*

I am only taking probiotics in yoghurt. To this date, I have been trying to combat the problems without the use of medication. The peppermint capsules are the first thing I have tried. It is perhaps stupid thinking - but If there is medically nothing wrong with me then I want to try to avoid taking weird and wonderful medicines. But I am guessing IBS cannot be cured without them?


mca
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   Posted 8/6/2009 3:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Well, there's nothing magical about IBS medicines, nor weird. Everything has an explanation to some extent. Frankly, I work in a medical environment and frequently doubt the use of antibiotics for non-life threatening ailments. This loss of faith in the established medical practices, but not all practices, is justified by personal experience and observation of the procedures applied in medicine. I find it frequently difficult to offer any kind of advice without knowing the underlying cause rather than base any conclusion on symptoms alone. I've visited doctors that left me with more questions and doubts about how they operate. I mean, for example, why give broad spectrum antibiotics for onset chronic diarrhea like Flagyl and conduct concurrent stool cultures, stool ova and parasite test, white blood cell count (stool), and C. Diff. tests? After starting the antibiotic and receiving negative tests, the antibiotic more than likely will make the patient feel worse due to side-effect and not solve or cure the problem.

Take this advice very speculatively, I'm not a doctor. The intestinal flora may be in disarray and out of proportion, causing bouts of IBS. What's the right amount of the 400+ flora living in your guts? I don't know, but it probably varies from person to person based on diet. There are sites that claim a very large portion of your stool is made up of bacteria. The absence of bacteria creates a leaky gut, watery stool, or any other name you can call it.

My suggestion is to visit a health food store and talk to the employees, or better yet call them. They will have products that help with IBS by repopulating the intestinal flora usually in enteric coated capsules that can survive in room temperature. I've read that Saccharomyces boulardii, a yeast, is helpful in IBS diarrhea related cases.

Our bodies live in symbiosis with the gut flora, but may become problematic when it changes in population of the varying species of bacteria and fungi. Often, in antibiotic therapy, many good bacteria are destroyed. This allows good and bad bacteria to repopulate, but leave a different imprint than prior to therapy. However, the fungi have a chance to repopulate the once bacterial intestinal walls, causing an imbalace within the gut and creating intestinal wall changes that may allow undigested food particles to enter the body. The beneficial bacteria are the ones doing the majority of post-stomach digestion along with bacteria specific enzymes to break down foods into absorbable forms. In short, there are many products that claim to help IBS, but I believe the foundation of a cure is the repopulation of healthy, balanced flora in the gut.

I'm like you though, searching for answers to a problem that is elusive with the amount of information and potential possible causes floating about.

Have you ever had or believe that candida symptoms may have affected you in any way in the past (ie after antibiotic use)? Some symptoms might be white, patchy tongue, headaches, sinus issues or headaches, stomach problems like indegestion or belchings, and hormone related issues?

kim123
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   Posted 8/6/2009 7:09 AM (GMT -7)   
MCA- ditto!

I believe fungus plays a huge role in our GI problems. Antibiotics, taken even at a young age, can be responsible for health problems years later. Using birth control pills, having exposure to mold, or water damaged environments, eating foods with mycotoxins ( commonly in grains/sugar) can cause fungal issues, especially when the yeast and fungus is fed with our Standard American Diet (SAD)...much grains and sugar. If you want to know whether your condition could be fungus related, especially if you have even taken antibiotics, then you may want to experiment with an antifungal diet. It is not easy to give up the foods your body craves,... i.e. grains, sugar,.... but within 2 weeks, if you notice an improvement you will know the cause of your symptoms. I agree that reputable probiotics are a must.

I learned about fungus and health implications from Doug Kaufmann, who has done much research about it. He has a website...www.knowthecause.com if you want to read about it yourself. As well, his phase one antifungal diet is listed and explained under the Resources link at the top of the web page. It was this information and diet that gave me my life back. I still follow it moderately, as I know my IBS symptoms are fungus related.

mca
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   Posted 8/7/2009 5:40 AM (GMT -7)   
KoifishK and kim123, prior to developing symptoms, did you lead stressful lives or endured a heavy stress period? Are you both naturally stressed in general?

kim123
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   Posted 8/7/2009 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
I am not naturally stressed, in general. I'm definitely a "go with the flow" kind of gal. I do have periods of stress that I feel affect my symptoms somewhat (i.e. getting my classroom ready as school begins each year), but I can pretty well manage my symptoms by making wise food choices. I now eat to live, not live to eat!

My symptoms actually first appeared right after the birth of my first child, so I guess that would be a heavy stress period. I'm wondering if I was given antibiotics (memory fades me as it was 16 years ago!) around the birth of my first, as I had a high beta strep count. I think doctors give antibiotics to protect the unborn. So, perhaps it was antibiotics that triggered the whole thing for me. Dunno.
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