HYDRO THERAPY ANYONE? Some one PLEASE respond this time!

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Backedupbutstillsmiling
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   Posted 10/16/2009 2:17 PM (GMT -7)   
tongue  k. I'm trying again. apparently 75 people viewed my post and didn't appreciate my making light of the "load".
 
So here goes. I have just recently resorted to trying hydrotherapy. It was costly but it worked, however I am concerned as it seems to be the only way to get things moving. (pardon the pun..) tongue   
I am also trying these colon cleanse caplets called Judy Marie's Miracle of Health and a HORRIBLE tasting drink called Pura-cleanse from her as well.  Two years ago I had success with the drink, but this time I am really having a hard time no matter what I try.(again, really not trying to write puns, but isn't laughing better than getting "bummed". Pain has to have an element of laughter, or it really is hard to bear. Just a thought? I know people are serious on this site, but my life is challenging and sometimes laughter helps. I hope someone can smile when they know that they are not alone. All of us need to find some humor in life's pain, at least that is my opinion. I hope if you are in pain (and I am frequently due to this condition and my son's disability) that you can find something to laugh about to help you through it.
 
Ok. Just thought I would put this out there. BTW AMITIZA was horrendous (for me) I was so nauseous and the head aches were ridiculous. I never even filled an RX just the samples were enough for me.
Any feed-back will be appreciated. If you have any info regarding other strategies I would really appreciate your sharing as well.
thanks, BIG HUGS and LAUGHTER!
BUBSM


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Post Edited (Backedupbutstillsmiling) : 10/16/2009 3:33:23 PM (GMT-6)


Mitzo
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   Posted 10/17/2009 6:59 AM (GMT -7)   
I am not sure what hydrotherapy is. Is it colonic irrigation with a hose of water?
23 years of UC which started after quitting smoking. In and out of flares which are usually triggered by antibiotics. Latest issue is endless diarrhea without blood or mucous.
 
Currently off all meds. Using grapefruit seed extract, a good probiotic, iron supplement, calcium, L-glutamine and psyllium seed powder with some good effect.

 


Marsky
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   Posted 10/17/2009 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm not sure what it is either. I have read about colonic irrigation before. I just know that it's an alternative medical professionals frown upon (often they're performed by non-medical technicians where anything from a perforation to infection can go wrong or happen). Very risky.
- Rectal Cancer 4/29/99, Stage I, no treatment necessary
(5 hour colon resection: 90% sigmoid removed, 15 inches of colon removed, gall bladder removed, temporary colostomy, reversed 8 weeks later)
- Chronic IBS/D symptoms, multiple bm's, on low residue diet
- Takes Colace 50 mg each evening


Backedupbutstillsmiling
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   Posted 10/19/2009 1:26 PM (GMT -7)   
THANKS! for responding. Yes, it is the same as colonics. The place I go to is very sterile, as is the equipment. The supplement colon cleanse from Judy Marie are working but I don't want to have to depend on them, or enemas or colonics etc.
Colace did not work for me, nor do probiotics. Colace actually seemed to cause more constipation.
The place that I go for colonics is very sterile, as is the equpment. THe medical invasive treatments that I have had were nearly worse than the disorder.. Sigh.. frustrating..
Well anyway, its nice not to be alone in this multisensory experience?
Hugs to you!
BUBSSM
Weird is Wonderful!


gutastrophe
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   Posted 10/26/2009 9:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Yes, I've done the colon hydrotherapy. Loved, loved, loved it! I have NEVER felt better in my 35+ years of dealing with IBS C.

I was referred to the clinic by my GI specialist, believe it or not! He was a pretty open-minded doc, not afraid of exploring alternative therapies (but not "quacky"). He sent me there because I was impacted and he wanted me cleaned out completely before having a colonoscopy and getting started on a new bowel program. Turned out, I liked it so much, I continued to go for six months, once a week, until the technician left the clinic. I didn't want to start all over again with a new gal so I just stopped. What I took from the experience is a great knowledge of how my system works and DOESN'T work; great chinese herbs which have been the most effective "remedy" for C I've found to date; skills at proper belly massage and breathing techniques for getting things going. Oh, and they also "schooled" me on the most efficient posture for making good bm's happen! I now have a "stool" (no pun intended) in my bathroom for this very purpose.

The only down side to hydroptherapy is that it's really not something one can do long term. It is cost prohibitive, for one thing. You have to go to a clinic. I never felt I was dependent on it but it really did "work" better than anything else.

I think it's a wonderful temporary solution to a severe situation, such as the one I experienced. I was really amazed at how great I felt!

shawn12
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   Posted 10/26/2009 12:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Just fyi and this has to do with different types of colonics
 
FYI

"Colon Cleansing
I've been hearing about something called colon cleansing. What is it, and should I be doing it?

Not only does colon cleansing provide no benefit, it can be downright dangerous. Contrary to popular belief, the inside of the colon -- the end of the large intestine -- isn't dirty and does not need to be cleaned out. Mother Nature does that on her own by making sure that waste passes through and out of your body, taking impurities with it.

Colon cleansing is a procedure that involves having an enema or using a laxative that completely evacuates the intestine. It has been touted as everything from a toxin remover to a cure for cancer. Some spas even offer the treatment. Use of enemas particularly scares me because it may involve unskilled personnel performing a procedure that could be harmful. The risk of damaging the rectum, and even perforating the bowel, is a real one.

There is no medical reason whatsoever for having a cleansing enema. Enemas are only for treating stubborn constipation and for preparing the colon for a test (for example, a barium enema) or for surgery. So if anyone other than your doctor suggests an enema, just say no. If you want to flush out impurities from your body, have another glass of water instead.

-- BY NANCY SNYDERMAN, M.D."

http://magazines.ivillage.com/goodhousekee..._295910,00.html


Mayo Clinic ask the digestive health expert

"Colon cleansing: Helpful or harmful?
Q. I've read many articles on colon cleansing as the root of all ills. I don't believe it. Generally, colon cleansing sounds like a good way to clean toxins from your body. What do you think?
No name / No state

A.Doctors don't recommend colon cleansing for better health or to prevent disease. The only appropriate use for colon cleansing is in preparation for a medical examination of the colon.

Your colon normally eliminates waste material and bacteria and absorbs water and sodium to maintain your body's fluid and electrolyte balance. Some colon-cleansing programs disrupt this balance and can be harmful by causing dehydration and salt depletion."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cle...AN00065/si=2765

"How Clean Should Your Colon Be?

By Karen Schneider

"Changing Rhythms

Naturally, the body empties its waste once it has absorbed the required food and calories it needs for energy through the small intestine. But by taking any form of laxative on a daily basis, individuals will cause their body to lose needed nutrients and fluids and also fall out of a natural rhythm. Continued use of products for "internal cleansing" can lead to bloating, cramping, dehydration, and disturbances and imbalances in electrolytes (such as potassium and calcium, which ensure healthy teeth, joints, bones, nerve impulses, blood sugar levels, and the delivery of oxygen to the cells of the body). More severe side effects may include cardiac arrhythmias, heart attack, kidney problems, and even death.

It is possible for individuals to experience withdrawal symptoms when they cease such programs, including abdominal cramping, mild to severe constipation, bloating, mood swings, and general feelings of fatigue, but Natural Medicine Associates says these can also be taken as "symptoms" of parasitic infection. Your health problems may be a result of the treatment, not actual predatory parasites. "

http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsID.194/news_detail.asp

This is newer IFFGD Consitpation.org

Common Questions about Constipation
Myths and Misconceptions
By: Ken Mandel, Ph.D.

"Is a long time period of stool in the colon a danger of constipation? Can it cause other disease?
Since ancient times there has been a belief that when stool resides in the colon for too long, "toxins" in the stool are released and can cause disease. This theory, which is referred to as "autointoxication" had a resurgence in the early 20th century, at which time the use of frequent enemas, cleansing purgatives, and even surgical removal of part or all of the colon were popular. Even today, colon cleansing with various purgative and enema procedures is promoted to maintain "colon health." However, there is no foundation in science for this theory. No data have ever shown that toxins are generated in the colon to be absorbed and contribute to other diseases. Autointoxication is a myth. While surgical removal of the colon is used, though very rarely, as a treatment in extreme cases of chronic and untreatable constipation, it is only considered when constipation has proven unresponsive to all other means of medical treatment and the colon is proven to have a local neuromuscular disorder. "

http://www.aboutconstipation.org/questions.html#1


also this is new

Health Highlights: March 8, 2006

"Bowel-Cleansing Products Linked to Chronic Kidney Failure

Some bowel-cleansing products that are used prior to colonoscopies are linked to chronic kidney failure, says the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

In a new posting on its WorstPills.org Web site, the Washington, D.C.-based group cites a recent study in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology that shows bowel-cleansing products that contain sodium phosphate are an under-recognized cause of chronic kidney failure.

The research listed several factors that may contribute to the development of kidney problems as the result of using bowel cleansing products that contain sodium-phosphate. These include: inadequate hydration; a history of high blood pressure; and the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen and Celebrex.

For the study, researchers at the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons reviewed all the kidney biopsies received at the facility between January 2000 and December 2004. They identified 31 patients with kidney damage consistent with phosphate toxicity. Of those 31 patients, 20 had taken oral phosphate solutions before a colonoscopy."



Colon cleanisng can mess up the good bacteria in the colon as well which is not a good thing in IBS.

There is no such thing as "autointoxification" but they want you to believe it.

FYI New

International Foundation for Funtional Disorders

IFFGD clinical corner

Question: I have a friend who frequently uses high colonics. She says it is to improve the health of her colon. I am curious about how effective these treatments are in promoting overall well being?

Answer: Before we discuss whether there are benefits of high colonics, it is important to understand the function of the colon. In the average adult the colon (large intestines) measures approximately 4 to 5 feet in lenght. The colon plays a limited role in absorbtion of water and sodium. A majority of fluid exposed to the gastrointestinal tract s first absorbed in the samll intestine. Roughly i liter will pass into the colon where 80 to 90% of the remaining fluid will be absorbed. Whatever is left is excreted in the stool. During episodes of decreased small bowel absorbtion, the colon can accomodate to absorb more fluid and limit the severity of diarrhea. The colon plays a relatively small role when looking at absorbtion of nutrients, a majority of which are taken up in the small intestines.

Stool consists of numerous bacteria numbering upward of 100 billion per gram of stool content. A majority of the bacteria persent in adult colons are anaerobic-bacteria that grow in a non oxygen environment. These bacteria are useful in controlling the growth of harmful bacteria, such as Clostridium difficile. Another
benefit provided by colonic bacteria is the breakdown of complex carbohydrates resulting in the production of fatty acids that are used as an energy source by the cells that line the colon.
High colonics or colonic irrigation consists of flushing large amounts of fluids through a tube into the large bowel. Sometimes 25 gallons of fluid maybe required to clear the colon of stool. These fluids can contain a variety of ingredients including herbs, coffee, vitimins and enzymes. Promoters maintain that benefical effects result from ridding the body of toxins, bacteria and parasites that can contribute to a wide variety of ailments. Advertised cures for headaches, skin problems, mood swings, colds, fatique, excess weight, and irritable bowel syndrome are common. The numerous websites on the internet often show a large colon and claim "toxins" in the foul smelling stool cause inflammation and infections. I would argue that nothing could be further from the truth. As outlined earlier, the colonic bacteria that make up the stool play an integral role in maintaining gastrointestinal health. There are no reputable medical studies that show frequent colonic cleansing leads to fewer "toxins" or infections in the body. There is evidence, however that documents the potential harm associated with the use of high colonics. Complications have ranged from life threatening fluid and electrolyte changes to perforations sustained from insertion of the colonic tube.I would caution those who experince a temporary
relief from constipation. Constipation may be the first sign of a more serious diagnoses and I would strongly advise a visit to your primary care provider. In conclusion, I believe these very expensive therapies are nothing more then glorified enemas that carry a much higher risk of injury. I do not recommend high colonics for any medical condition and hope that the information provided will help you make an educated decision.
Thomas Puetz, M. D.

http://www.aboutibs.org/

and fyi on treating constipation
 
FYI

"Colon Cleansing
I've been hearing about something called colon cleansing. What is it, and should I be doing it?

Not only does colon cleansing provide no benefit, it can be downright dangerous. Contrary to popular belief, the inside of the colon -- the end of the large intestine -- isn't dirty and does not need to be cleaned out. Mother Nature does that on her own by making sure that waste passes through and out of your body, taking impurities with it.

Colon cleansing is a procedure that involves having an enema or using a laxative that completely evacuates the intestine. It has been touted as everything from a toxin remover to a cure for cancer. Some spas even offer the treatment. Use of enemas particularly scares me because it may involve unskilled personnel performing a procedure that could be harmful. The risk of damaging the rectum, and even perforating the bowel, is a real one.

There is no medical reason whatsoever for having a cleansing enema. Enemas are only for treating stubborn constipation and for preparing the colon for a test (for example, a barium enema) or for surgery. So if anyone other than your doctor suggests an enema, just say no. If you want to flush out impurities from your body, have another glass of water instead.

-- BY NANCY SNYDERMAN, M.D."

http://magazines.ivillage.com/goodhousekee..._295910,00.html


Mayo Clinic ask the digestive health expert

"Colon cleansing: Helpful or harmful?
Q. I've read many articles on colon cleansing as the root of all ills. I don't believe it. Generally, colon cleansing sounds like a good way to clean toxins from your body. What do you think?
No name / No state

A.Doctors don't recommend colon cleansing for better health or to prevent disease. The only appropriate use for colon cleansing is in preparation for a medical examination of the colon.

Your colon normally eliminates waste material and bacteria and absorbs water and sodium to maintain your body's fluid and electrolyte balance. Some colon-cleansing programs disrupt this balance and can be harmful by causing dehydration and salt depletion."

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/colon-cle...AN00065/si=2765

"How Clean Should Your Colon Be?

By Karen Schneider

"Changing Rhythms

Naturally, the body empties its waste once it has absorbed the required food and calories it needs for energy through the small intestine. But by taking any form of laxative on a daily basis, individuals will cause their body to lose needed nutrients and fluids and also fall out of a natural rhythm. Continued use of products for "internal cleansing" can lead to bloating, cramping, dehydration, and disturbances and imbalances in electrolytes (such as potassium and calcium, which ensure healthy teeth, joints, bones, nerve impulses, blood sugar levels, and the delivery of oxygen to the cells of the body). More severe side effects may include cardiac arrhythmias, heart attack, kidney problems, and even death.

It is possible for individuals to experience withdrawal symptoms when they cease such programs, including abdominal cramping, mild to severe constipation, bloating, mood swings, and general feelings of fatigue, but Natural Medicine Associates says these can also be taken as "symptoms" of parasitic infection. Your health problems may be a result of the treatment, not actual predatory parasites. "

http://www.acsh.org/factsfears/newsID.194/news_detail.asp

This is newer IFFGD Consitpation.org

Common Questions about Constipation
Myths and Misconceptions
By: Ken Mandel, Ph.D.

"Is a long time period of stool in the colon a danger of constipation? Can it cause other disease?
Since ancient times there has been a belief that when stool resides in the colon for too long, "toxins" in the stool are released and can cause disease. This theory, which is referred to as "autointoxication" had a resurgence in the early 20th century, at which time the use of frequent enemas, cleansing purgatives, and even surgical removal of part or all of the colon were popular. Even today, colon cleansing with various purgative and enema procedures is promoted to maintain "colon health." However, there is no foundation in science for this theory. No data have ever shown that toxins are generated in the colon to be absorbed and contribute to other diseases. Autointoxication is a myth. While surgical removal of the colon is used, though very rarely, as a treatment in extreme cases of chronic and untreatable constipation, it is only considered when constipation has proven unresponsive to all other means of medical treatment and the colon is proven to have a local neuromuscular disorder. "

http://www.aboutconstipation.org/questions.html#1


also this is new

Health Highlights: March 8, 2006

"Bowel-Cleansing Products Linked to Chronic Kidney Failure

Some bowel-cleansing products that are used prior to colonoscopies are linked to chronic kidney failure, says the consumer advocacy group Public Citizen.

In a new posting on its WorstPills.org Web site, the Washington, D.C.-based group cites a recent study in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology that shows bowel-cleansing products that contain sodium phosphate are an under-recognized cause of chronic kidney failure.

The research listed several factors that may contribute to the development of kidney problems as the result of using bowel cleansing products that contain sodium-phosphate. These include: inadequate hydration; a history of high blood pressure; and the use of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs such as ibuprofen and Celebrex.

For the study, researchers at the Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons reviewed all the kidney biopsies received at the facility between January 2000 and December 2004. They identified 31 patients with kidney damage consistent with phosphate toxicity. Of those 31 patients, 20 had taken oral phosphate solutions before a colonoscopy."



Colon cleanisng can mess up the good bacteria in the colon as well which is not a good thing in IBS.

There is no such thing as "autointoxification" but they want you to believe it.

FYI New

International Foundation for Funtional Disorders

IFFGD clinical corner

Question: I have a friend who frequently uses high colonics. She says it is to improve the health of her colon. I am curious about how effective these treatments are in promoting overall well being?

Answer: Before we discuss whether there are benefits of high colonics, it is important to understand the function of the colon. In the average adult the colon (large intestines) measures approximately 4 to 5 feet in lenght. The colon plays a limited role in absorbtion of water and sodium. A majority of fluid exposed to the gastrointestinal tract s first absorbed in the samll intestine. Roughly i liter will pass into the colon where 80 to 90% of the remaining fluid will be absorbed. Whatever is left is excreted in the stool. During episodes of decreased small bowel absorbtion, the colon can accomodate to absorb more fluid and limit the severity of diarrhea. The colon plays a relatively small role when looking at absorbtion of nutrients, a majority of which are taken up in the small intestines.

Stool consists of numerous bacteria numbering upward of 100 billion per gram of stool content. A majority of the bacteria persent in adult colons are anaerobic-bacteria that grow in a non oxygen environment. These bacteria are useful in controlling the growth of harmful bacteria, such as Clostridium difficile. Another
benefit provided by colonic bacteria is the breakdown of complex carbohydrates resulting in the production of fatty acids that are used as an energy source by the cells that line the colon.
High colonics or colonic irrigation consists of flushing large amounts of fluids through a tube into the large bowel. Sometimes 25 gallons of fluid maybe required to clear the colon of stool. These fluids can contain a variety of ingredients including herbs, coffee, vitimins and enzymes. Promoters maintain that benefical effects result from ridding the body of toxins, bacteria and parasites that can contribute to a wide variety of ailments. Advertised cures for headaches, skin problems, mood swings, colds, fatique, excess weight, and irritable bowel syndrome are common. The numerous websites on the internet often show a large colon and claim "toxins" in the foul smelling stool cause inflammation and infections. I would argue that nothing could be further from the truth. As outlined earlier, the colonic bacteria that make up the stool play an integral role in maintaining gastrointestinal health. There are no reputable medical studies that show frequent colonic cleansing leads to fewer "toxins" or infections in the body. There is evidence, however that documents the potential harm associated with the use of high colonics. Complications have ranged from life threatening fluid and electrolyte changes to perforations sustained from insertion of the colonic tube.I would caution those who experince a temporary
relief from constipation. Constipation may be the first sign of a more serious diagnoses and I would strongly advise a visit to your primary care provider. In conclusion, I believe these very expensive therapies are nothing more then glorified enemas that carry a much higher risk of injury. I do not recommend high colonics for any medical condition and hope that the information provided will help you make an educated decision.
Thomas Puetz, M. D.

http://www.aboutibs.org/
FYI on treating constipation.
 
 
 
I am not a doctor. All information I present is for educational purposes only and should not be subsituted for the advise of a qualified health care provider.

Please make sure you have your symptoms diagnosed by a medical practitioner or a doctor.


luelma
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Date Joined Oct 2009
Total Posts : 2
   Posted 10/31/2009 12:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Backedupbutstillsmiling - i dont know where you are based but i am a UK based journalist and write for the national and london newspapers and women's glossies - ironically my main subject is health and nutrition but for the past 18 months i have had to give up work due to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/M.E and a hugely painful worsened gut condition diagnosed after being posted to 3 different gastroenterologists (two are revered within the medical world as 'world class' physicians) the final specialist blithely dismissed my gut problem with the 'incurable' label of 'chronic idiopathic constipation/slow transit constipation'. Disinterestedly he told my intolerable condition was something i'd 'just have to live with' and i should simply do anything i wanted to try and stay out of pain - this included endorsement of taking huge quantities of magnesium oxide ( i needed to take between 9-17 pills nightly which resulted in tremendous weight loss + cascara - enemas, colonics etc were also okayed...

...I am currently involved in research with Dr Henry Butt microbiologist and senior reserach fellow at the university of melbourne who is a fount of knowledge of GI-conditions - he has interpreted a very valuable (but pricey) stool analysis done by Belgian Reserach laboratory www.redlabs.be and has conferred with my private doctor (Dr Myhill - see v good website)
Gut problems are unique from person to person but whilst trying to get to the heart of your problems, I highly recommend finding a good colonic hydrotherapist. i had written about the therapy before being really ill and had tried many different therapists including the lovley american octogenarian naturopath who brought c hydrotherapy to the UK - however it is only one therapist who has really helped me - Sharon Savage who operates in Wiltshire at Equilibrium www.equilibriumnaturalhealth.co.uk and in Bath. She has also given me the only psyllium mix which hasn't aggravatd and has helped considerably - it contains glutamine and probiotics and is called CONSTIfree http://www.amazon.co.uk/CONSTIfree-supreme-psyllium-combination-regular/dp/B001UF126U A good colonic is soothing and also stimulates the release of serotonin much of which is manufactured in the gut so it helps one feel more positive too!

shawn12
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Date Joined Jul 2004
Total Posts : 1293
   Posted 10/31/2009 2:25 PM (GMT -7)   
luelma, so you weren't diagnosed with IBS?

Have you ever had a sitz marker test done? Or pelvic floor dysfunction tested?

How do colonics stimulate the release of serotonin in the gut? You do know it is believed serotonin released from enterochromaffin cells is a problem in IBS?

Colonics can dirupt gut bacteria and also electrolytes which can increase pain and contractions in IBS, as well as other possible harmful effects.

also

"Myths about constipation have led to a serious abuse of laxatives. This is common among older adults who are preoccupied with having a daily bowel movement.
Laxatives usually are not necessary and can be habit-forming. The colon begins to rely on laxatives to bring on bowel movements. Over time, laxatives can damage nerve cells in the colon and interfere with the colon's natural ability to contract. For the same reason, regular use of enemas can also lead to a loss of normal bowel function."

http://www.fbhc.org/Patients/Modules/const.cfm


Biofeedback is also a treatment for 'chronic idiopathic constipation/slow transit constipation'

CONCLUSION: This study suggests that biofeedback has a long-term effect with no side effects, for the majority of patients with chronic idiopathic constipation unresponsive to traditional treatment. Pelvic floor abnormalities and transit time should not be the selection criteria for treatment.


http://www.wjgnet.com/1007-9327/9/2109.asp

International Foundation for Functional Gastrointestinal Disorders

When Treatment Isn't Working
"Intractable" constipation means that the symptom does not respond to the treatments described above. Persons with intractable constipation may see a specialist for diagnostic tests. These may include…

http://www.aboutconstipation.org/site/about-constipation/treatment/
I am not a doctor. All information I present is for educational purposes only and should not be subsituted for the advise of a qualified health care provider.

Please make sure you have your symptoms diagnosed by a medical practitioner or a doctor.

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