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mustangluver
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   Posted 8/31/2010 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
My problem is i usually go to the bathroom every day...then out of nowhere i get where i cannot pass my bowels..and i sit on the toilet for 2 hrs, pushing and being in brutal pain, i get cold sweats and shake, feel like i am going to pass out, terrible pain in my legs and back from sitting so long, then when i finally pass some stool, it becomes the big D and i go for at least 2 hrs...with pain...so by the time it is all over, i am sooo exhausted and ache all over and can barely walk as my legs and back hurt so bad..It ruins my whole day..and this is how it has been my whole life, i am 63...so what will Citracel do for me?

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   Posted 8/31/2010 2:53 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello mustangluver- If you've noticed a sudden change in the pattern of your bowel movements, it's a good idea to see your doctor. There are a number of things that could be causing your symptoms, such as a partial bowel blockage, cancer, colonic inertia, etc.  I'm not trying to scare you, I'm just saying to be vigilant when you notice a change in how your body usually functions. After seeing your doctor you'll know better what to do.
I wish you well and hope you get to the bottom smilewinkgrin of your problem.
 
God bless.
 
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mustangluver
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   Posted 8/31/2010 6:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Did you see where i said i am 63 and had this my whole life? I have had every test known to man...LOL..every time i get a test, it is the same thing, IBS.. My question was, should i maybe take Citracel? My doc suggested it so i was wondering if anyone else had what i have and takes Citracel...

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   Posted 8/31/2010 7:24 PM (GMT -6)   

Ah, ok, the way you said that you went everyday and then out of nowhere couldn't go, made me think you never had the constipation problem before. Sorry for the mix-up. If you try fiber, i would start out very slowly. Too much fiber can actually make things worse. I remember starting Metamucil at 3 teaspoons a day and became really bloated and unable to go. I would start at one teaspoon a day and wait a week or two to see how it works. If you still can't go and aren't feeling bloated, then you can add another teaspoon. I imagine Citrucel is similar to Metamucil (being fiber) so I would go slow with it. Remember to drink lots of water while taking it. That is how the fiber works, it absorbs water and makes the stool larger and softer and thus easier to pass. But, as I've said, too much at one time could cause it to swell up in one spot causing constipation and bloating. I felt miserable when that happened to me.

God bless.

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shawn12
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   Posted 8/31/2010 8:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Citracel is a fiber and as g20man said you should add it slowly to your diet.
 
It use to be they told everyone to take fiber, but for some it can make things more uncomfortable, but for others it may help. They have slightly changed their position on taking fiber. Of course its essential to get fiber in your diet.
 
But go slowly and build it up to the dose over time. For some it can actually take up to 8 weeks to get use to it, but for others it can help pretty quickly to regulate going.
 
There are a lot of good options to try for IBS and for what your symptoms are that can possibly help. I alternate as well although lean towards d, but the pain I get can be extremely severe. I have fouund things that have helped me greatly, especially the pain and bloating and to a large degree my stoll patterns, but it was something you would normally think of to use.
 
"
Fiber Warning

We are not nutritionists, nor can we advise you on nutrition. However, we
want to share with you some things we have learned. In general, fiber is helpful for 85% of IBS sufferers, but has a negative reaction to the other 15%.
Find out from your doctor or nutritionist to see which direction is best for you.
Americans consume, as an average, significantly less than the recommended amount of fiber, according to the National Cancer institute.
Fiber refers to a wide variety of substances found in plants. There are TWO kinds of fiber:

Insoluble Fiber is rough. It passes intact through the intestines, which is
why it is called “high-residue”. It increases the frequency, water content, and looseness of bowel movements. Although crucial for good health, it can be a powerful IBS trigger. It needs to be incorporated into some people’s diets in large quantities, but slowly and with great care. Insoluble fiber should never be taken alone or on an empty stomach, or without your doctor’s advice.

Soluble fiber is smooth, very low-residue, and soothing to the digestive tract. It absorbs excess water in the colon, forming a gel that pushes through impacted fecal matter, and it stabilizes and regulates intestinal contractions. In this manner, it helped prevent the painful spasms and relieve both the diarrhea and constipation of IBS."

This has some good information on fiber for you and foods in general.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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mustangluver
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   Posted 8/31/2010 9:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you both. I am going to take capsules....I chose Citracel as it said it does not cause gas and bloating like the others do...This is pretty much my last option. I have taken all kinds of meds and did the bio-feedback and tranquility tapes...nothing works.

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   Posted 9/1/2010 12:26 PM (GMT -6)   
mustangluver

Out of curiosity, how ong did you do biofeedback for?

Also, what "tranquility tapes" did you try?

The Citracel is worth a try.

also don't give up there are always options.
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/1/2010 1:00 PM (GMT -6)   
I tried bio feedback and tranquility tapes on and off over a 10 yr period...i don't remember what the tapes were...some were a person talking..and some were diff sounds like the ocean and birds and a babbling brook..I went to a Chinese healing doc for the biofeedback...it was nice but it didn't stop attacks at all...he is a friend so i was able to go when ever i wanted..but it wasn't what i needed..

shawn12
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   Posted 9/1/2010 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
There are very specific clinical hypnotherapy tapes for IBS. Have you heard about these.

http://ibsaudioprogram.com/

Hypnotherapy is one of the most effective researched treatments for IBS and very safe and natural.

So you know these aren't just realxation tapes. They are very specific and that is very important. They helped me tremendously. I have been involved with Mike for about 10 years now. He has helped 1000's of people.

I have a lot of information on all this, including the research studies from expert IBS researchers.

These maybe worth looking at as well.

http://www.aboutibs.org/site/about-ibs/management/hypnosis

http://ibshypnosis.com/

The above are expert sites and researchers on IBS.

Biofeedback is used more for other reasons then alternating d and c.

Another promicing treatment is specific Cognitive behavioral therapy for IBS.

while someone would wonder why do these for a bowel condition, they can work extremely well. The Hypnotherapy can work on all the symptoms and especially the pain. As well as help stress and anxiety as a side effect. But it can help bloating and even other none gi symptoms.

also

IBS - Beyond the Bowel: The Meaning of Co-Existing Medical Problems
-- O. Palsson, PsyD and W. Whitehead, PhD

"IS IT POSSIBLE TO REDUCE NON-GI SYMPTOMS IN IBS?
It is unknown to what degree standard medical treatment for IBS, when successful, also
results in improvement in non-GI symptoms. The problem is that most IBS treatment
research has not examined how non-IBS symptoms change. Non-IBS symptoms have
also not been a focus of standard IBS treatment. An exception to this is psychological
treatment trials for IBS, which sometimes have included general physical symptom
questionnaires among the measures of treatment effects. We, therefore, know from our
two studies of hypnosis treatment for IBS(22) as well as from research in England(23) that hypnosis treatment for IBS regularly improves non-GI symptoms substantially in addition to its beneficial effects on bowel symptoms. Less is known about improvement in non-GI symptoms from cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT), which is the other widely
researched psychological treatment for IBS. However, there is every reason to believe
that CBT can reduce the tendency to experience a lot of general physical symptoms,
based on a review of over 30 such treatment studies(24). These benefits of psychological treatment for IBS point to extra value of such treatments for the subgroup of IBS patients who have many non-GI symptoms."

http://www.med.unc.edu/medicine/fgidc/ibs_beyond_the_bowel.pdf


The above lists the twenty most common non gi symptoms in IBS as well, worth reading.


My IBS is pretty similar to yours.
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/1/2010 4:49 PM (GMT -6)   
How much does it cost as i only have medicaid which limits me....

shawn12
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   Posted 9/1/2010 5:34 PM (GMT -6)   
One time shot for the CD's for $89.00 USD. But HT has shown to be one of the most effective treatments for most IBSers.

Why Consider Hypnosis Treatment for IBS?
by Olafur S. Palsson, Psy.D.


Hypnosis is only one of several approaches to treating irritable bowel syndrome and may not be the most suitable option for all patients (click here for discussion of treatment options for IBS). However, hypnosis treatment has some advantages which makes it an attractive option for many IBS sufferers with chronic and severe symptoms:

- It is one of the most successful treatment approaches for chronic IBS. The response rate to treatment is 80% and better in most published studies to date.

- The treatment often helps individuals who have failed to get improvements with other methods (see for example: Whorwell et al., 1984, 1987; Palsson et al., 1997, 2000).

- It is a uniquely comfortable form of treatment; relaxing, easy and generally enjoyable.

- It utilizes the healing power of the person's own mind, and is generally completely without negative side effects.

- The treatment sometimes results in improvement in other symptoms or problems such as migraine or tension headaches, along with the improvement in IBS symptoms.

- The beneficial effects of the treatment last long after the end of the course of treatment. According to research, individuals who improve from hypnosis treatment for IBS can generally look forward to years of reduced bowel symptoms.

http://ibshypnosis.com/whyhypnosis.html

"Irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) would seem to be a disorder that might be amenable to treatment with hypnosis. There is no structural damage and the various possible underlying mechanisms such as disordered motility and visceral (internal) sensitivity might be susceptible to modulation by the mind. Thus, nearly 20 years ago, we undertook the first controlled trial of hypnotherapy in this disorder. The results were extremely encouraging and eventually led us to developing a hypnotherapy unit dedicated to the provision of this service.

Video: about Hypnosis
Several years ago we published an audit of the first 250 patients treated and found that hypnosis not only helps the symptoms of IBS but also significantly improves quality of life.1 Interestingly, it also relieves the additional symptoms from which so many patients with IBS suffer such as nausea, lethargy, backache, and urinary problems. This is in sharp contrast to the medications currently available for IBS, which often help one or two symptoms if at all."

http://www.aboutibs.org/site/about-ibs/management/hypnosis
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/1/2010 6:52 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't have enough money for food..to me $89 is $1000...

shawn12
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   Posted 9/2/2010 6:09 PM (GMT -6)   
mustangluver

I understand. I will see what I can do here.

Somethings though in the long run are more cost effective. Like the money spent on the Citracel over the long run, when the cd's might be a lot more effective. But I will see if I can help somehow.
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/2/2010 6:28 PM (GMT -6)   
I can get the Citracel for free...

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   Posted 9/2/2010 10:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Let me just put in my 2 cents worth....I've had constipation my whole life, worstening in the past few years. I'm 55, had my gall bladder out 4 years ago. I thought going gluten-free might help, but it made my constipation way worse! (??)

So, being very uncomfortable and desperate, I started looking here and I came across "Heather - somebody's IBS diet." Not being one to pursue details, I just absorbed the main point, which is: eat more SOLUBLE fiber than anything else, with everything else. EVERY TIME you eat anything else. I have been doing that, (lots of potatoes, white bread, ricecakes) plus taking Citrucel and Miralax (which I was already doing) and my bowel movements are much better! I used to poop mostly little pellets, not anymore. Also just had a colonoscopy and it was normal.

The irony is that for my entire adult life, I've been the health-food nut: vegetarian, only whole-wheat bread, lots of fruits, veggies, granola. Now I think I was overdoing the insoluble fiber. Go figure. Anyway, the link that I found must still be in here somewhere. It might be worth a try. Good luck.

Debbie
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/2/2010 11:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you...what seems to happen with me is out of the blue, it feels like the stool got stuck and i keep pushing and pushing but it won't come out...but when it finally does come out, it is completely normal until it turns to diarrhea..kinda like when you take the laxative for a colonoscopy...I was sure i must have a blockage but i don't and they don't know other then saying i have a spastic colon...but i was always afraid to take a fiber supplement because it may cause the gas and bloating to get worse..But it could also push the stool down and out..so i just don't know what to do..

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   Posted 9/2/2010 11:58 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll be 41 years old in november and I've been having very similar symptoms to yours for about 18 years. In fact, my symptoms can be much worse. I'm always constipated and cannot go without laxatives. Sometimes I'll have pains and try to go, but then I start to feel nauseous and faint, start vomiting, and start to sweat profusely. Once I pass some solid stool the rest will come out loose. There have been times when I've had to lay on the bathroom floor because I felt so faint while sitting on the toilet. Sometimes I would wind up in the bath tub with vomiting and diarrhea at the same time. I would lay in the bath tub because I could barely keep conscious and didn't want to make a mess on the floor. My doctor told me the fainting is probably a vaso vagal attack. Sometimes extreme pain can stimulate the vagus nerve and make you faint. It tends to happen if I'm not very vigilant in keeping my bowels moving. I can't even let a week go by without going to the bathroom or I run the risk of such attacks.
 
After years of going through this, I've finally seen another doctor that did a Sitz Mark study. That is a study where you swallow a capsule filled with little rings that show up on X-rays. I took the capsule on a saturday and went on a monday for my first X-ray. Then my next two X-rays were done on wednesday and friday. The test will see how quickly the rings move through your intestines. I was not allowed to take any laxatives before or durting the test. They want to see how your bowel functions without any help from laxatives. My doctor said my large bowel isn't hardly working at all, he said I have severe colonic inertia. I subsequently went for pelvic floor studies and was told that was fine.
 
Anyway, I now need to have a colectomy, the removal of my entire large bowel. My doctor said the only thing is I will be going to the bathroom about 5-6 times a day for quite a few months after the operation. Then it usually slows down to about 3-4 movements a day. I will find out more particulars this wednesday about any other possible tests I'll need and when the operation will be. I'm very nervous about the surgery, but I don't want to live anymore with the possibility of those horrible attacks happening.
By the way, I won't need a colostomy bag because the surgeon will connect the small bowel directly to the rectum, so I'm happy about that.
I just want to get this over with and try to live a normal life.
Sorry to hijack your thread, I guess my nerves just made me want to ramble on.
 
God bless.
 
                                                               G20man
 

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   Posted 9/3/2010 12:18 AM (GMT -6)   
Thank you so much...finally, someone that truly knows what i have been going through..I too had where i laid on the floor and i had the throwing up and diarrhea...i am sooooooo lucky to have such a great husband that helps me through it and still thinks i'm sexy...LOL...smelly, but sexy..now that's love...LOL..I have gone to the ER sooooooooo many times when i couldn't stand the pain...they always give me a barium enema which is not pleasant at all!!! And it is always the same, IBS and or if i have bleeding, Ulcerative colitis..and they keep me a week...SUCKS! I am so sorry you have to resort to surgery..I don't think i would do that...but i do understand the reasoning.. I do hope all goes well and that it solves your problems...Oh and when i get an attack, sometimes i hyper ventilate..You did not jack my thread...i welcome all stories..My husband says all i do is talk crap..LOL

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   Posted 9/3/2010 2:36 PM (GMT -6)   

Yes, I understand about the barium enemas, drinking barium, colonoscopies, endoscopies, etc., etc. It's a horrible process to go through, and it's made worse when the doctors just send you home with medicine that doesn't work, or tell you to take fiber. I know this operation is a big step with risks of its own, but I need to try something, I'm tired of feeling like crap....literally and figuratively smilewinkgrin .

God bless.

                                         G20man

 


mustangluver
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   Posted 9/3/2010 3:19 PM (GMT -6)   
I hear ya...I had 5 major surgeries, one just 2 yrs ago, and i just couldn't bear one more..What always kept me going was i never had anything life threatening but i am just at my ropes end with all the pain..yrs and yrs of it. I could have easily become a drug addict...i don't know what it's like to be painless. I hope you can resolve your problem and be happy..When is the surgery? Keep me updated..You are the closest i have come to my situation. I wish you much success..

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   Posted 9/3/2010 3:51 PM (GMT -6)   
mustangluver
A lot of people know what your going through as those are common IBS issues.
 
Just fyi, but doctors won't do a colectomy for IBS, but for other problems.
 
Incomplete evacuation is also a common symptom in IBS.
 
They usally do a sitz marker test on people with constipation to see what the real problem is with the bowel. There are three different kinds of constipation.
 
 
But if you have IBS you can alternated between the two d and c.
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   Posted 9/3/2010 3:52 PM (GMT -6)   
This is a good link on Constipation.

http://www.aboutconstipation.org/
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mustangluver
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   Posted 9/3/2010 4:07 PM (GMT -6)   
That's the first time i heard about laying on the bathroom floor and in the tub...that is severe pain like i have...the links you left ate dead links...but thanx...i have been online since 94 and have read everything there is to read about gastro problems..

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   Posted 9/3/2010 4:18 PM (GMT -6)   
The pain I get can be very severe, I can't walk or even move or even lie down. sometimes on a scale of 1-10 mine is an 11.

I have had suicidal thoughts in the past quite a few times from the pain. I wouldn't kill myself but have thought about it before. I have had every kind of IBS pain known to man. They can be almost like a migrane in my gut. They have some similar issues even to migranes, sensitive to light, eye twitching, sensitive to noise. I have learned a ton about IBS and pain and ways to treat it. I use to get forun severe pain attacks a day, sometimes twice a day. But I found some solutions and some very helpful information. I still get an occasional severe pain attack, but they are way less frequent. The HT helped and when I was done I got three in a year, after having four a week. I was thrilled and still am. I have alternating IBS like you do, although lean more to d then c.

http://www.aboutconstipation.org

The link should work.

Have you seen that link before?
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   Posted 9/3/2010 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Have you gotten the shaking and cold sweats and the pins and needles in the legs and arms? When the attack is over, do have severe pain in your legs? Yes, i too had on occasion wished i were dead.. I also had severe menstrual pain on top of the IBS...can you imagine that? Plus a migraine on top of that...I was soooooooooooo miserable...I had a hyster when i was 52 and so that ended that problem..I don't know how i lived my life...but lately i have gotten very depressed over it and have less tolerance, i guess because of my age. Have you ever had where you feel like food didn't go down past your gut, like it is stuck in the middle and it feels like a heart attack? I guess it is heartburn...as i have no gallbladder...thanx so much for sharing..
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