Calcium Info That May Help If You Get Diarrhea

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lnape
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   Posted 10/18/2005 6:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Here is the calcium information. I know it is a lot to take in but it may be will worth it to see if this simple solution can offer you the relief it has me and many others. You need to follow it as close as you can to get the best results. I know it sound too simple to work but it really does help a lot.

This is what has helped me for more than 7 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin A, C, and E seemed to cause me stomach upset. If you check this out your will see they too can cause diarrhea. It is better not to take a multi vitamin while trying to get the calcium to help.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings. I think the way it works is the dose you take prior helps with the current meal and the distress it may cause.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web sites I have dealt with. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but you can take the thyroid meds one hour before you take calcium or 4 hours after taking the calcium. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. For most it is about 3 days and it is important to start with the lower dose so you don't have the added distress and think the calcium is not helping but making you worse.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. It is now known to me that is called Bile Salts Diarrhea. This happens to a good percent of people who have had their Gall Bladder Removed. I Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. That burning yellowish color that you may see is the bile. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. I know Walgreens has their brand with the same ingredients and if you live in the UK Boots has been reported to have something similar. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just stop taking it until you have a BM then start back on a lower dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 200 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea. No stomach noises, gas or pain. If I should happen to have a case of diarrhea for who knows what reason it is very short lived and not the pain involved like before and this I am sure happens to even normal people. It is usually a one shot deal and it is over.


The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

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   Posted 1/6/2006 7:46 AM (GMT -7)   
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lnape
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   Posted 1/6/2006 7:53 AM (GMT -7)   
dbab,

This bump up is a good idea for new people looking for a possible help with diarrhea. I am always glad to help anyone wanting to try this solution no cure just a control for diarrhea. Just send me an email and I will pass along all the info I have from many users with success stories.

1st Check any current meds even over the counter to see what the side effects are. See if it is okay to take calcium with them. Stop all over the counter stuff that you can and do not take vitamins.

2nd Be sure you have the right form of calcium. Calcium carbonate with vitamin D for starters. Or you can use the calcium carbonate with Vitamin D and other minerals.

3rd Take them with food at least 4 or 5 hours apart.

4th If your worse time is in the morning instead of taking the one with dinner take it at bedtime with a small snack.

Be sure to start with 1/2 tablet at each of your 3 daily meals for the first 3 days to adjust.

Linda


Linda (D-Type)If I don't take my calcium. Gall Bladder removed in 1976 and suffered with urgent diarrhea until I started calcium.

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   Posted 3/3/2006 9:39 PM (GMT -7)   
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pb4
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   Posted 3/3/2006 9:46 PM (GMT -7)   
yup, too much magnesium can cause D and other problems, so it's important to get the proper amount of it.

What is the health risk of too much magnesium?
Dietary magnesium does not pose a health risk, however pharmacologic doses of magnesium in supplements can promote adverse effects such as diarrhea and abdominal cramping. Risk of magnesium toxicity increases with kidney failure, when the kidney loses the ability to remove excess magnesium. Very large doses of magnesium-containing laxatives and antacids also have been associated with magnesium toxicity [25]. For example, a case of hypermagnesemia after unsupervised intake of aluminum magnesia oral suspension occurred after a 16 year old girl decided to take the antacid every two hours rather than four times per day, as prescribed. Three days later, she became unresponsive and demonstrated loss of deep tendon reflex [57]. Doctors were unable to determine her exact magnesium intake, but the young lady presented with blood levels of magnesium five times higher than normal [25]. Therefore, it is important for medical professionals to be aware of the use of any magnesium-containing laxatives or antacids. Signs of excess magnesium can be similar to magnesium deficiency and include changes in mental status, nausea, diarrhea, appetite loss, muscle weakness, difficulty breathing, extremely low blood pressure, and irregular heartbeat [5,57-60].

roadtrip
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   Posted 3/4/2006 12:17 PM (GMT -7)   

hey thanks for the info

not sure if calcium would be usefull for me because my symptoms are bloating/wind and general loose bowel movements- although i would say ihave a proper D attack about every week or so...

One question i do have tho, if you up your calcium content does it increase your chance of getting kidney stones? I know this is a bit of a random question, but i've always thought that kidney stones are made from calcium like material bcause they're white!

roadtrip :-)


missie1227
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   Posted 3/4/2006 3:30 PM (GMT -7)   
sounds good to me as i have no gall bladder but i take liquid coral calcium which is completly absorbable
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   Posted 3/5/2006 8:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi, I find this an interesting post. I had resection surgery for CD almost three years ago. Since then I've been suffering from chronic daily & sometimes nightly diarrhea. Diarrhea was troublesome even before the surgery, but I go more often now with more urgency.
I never connected this, but shortly after surgery, I was told to take 1200 mgs of calcium per day for steriod induced osteoporosis.
Having read that magnesium is a must for calcium absorption, I buy a brand that not only contains calcium, but also contains magnesium and vitamin D. I used to take calcium in a citrate form, but found I was too gassey and bloated from it, so I switched to a brand that has carbonate, citrate, malate, fumerate, succinate and glutamate sources. Each tablet also contains 167 mgs of magnesium. I take aprox 5 per day/ which works out to 1600 mgs of calcium, and 835 mgs of magnesium. I wonder if that is enough magnesium to be causing me problems. I almost have to laugh, because inspite of the 5 tabs I take, I doubt if I'm absorbing much of it because of the rapid transit of the diarrhea. Well, the only way to find out for sure if calcium will stop the diarrhea is to try it...thanks for the tip...


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   Posted 3/5/2006 9:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Good luck, dorri. Let us know how it works for you. :-)
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   Posted 3/6/2006 9:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Actually, my dad read some time ago that they actually treat cows that get kidney stones with more calcium. Something about getting too little calcium makes your body hoard it... in the kidneys. At least, last I heard, they had decided people and cows work the same way and people should have more calcium when they have stones, not less. But recently, in that study that came out that said calcium supplements don't help prevent bone breakage in women over 50, they said that women who took the supplements seemed to have a slightly higher risk of kidney stones than those who did not. But there's no way they can blame the stones on taking the calcium supplements without a study to look at just that, as some women on the supplements weren't consistent in taking their meds and they didn't factor in or out the women who got calcium from milk or leefy greens or account for people who were genetically pre-disposed to osteoporsis, etc.

Soooo... I would suggest that if the supplements help your guts, go ahead and take them without worrying about getting stones (most people don't get the recommended daily allowance of calcium anyways). I don't think they know for certain what causes some people to get them and some to not get them. May all be genetic in the end. At the very least, there are things to treat a stone with and most people only pass them every once in a while; there aren't many good treatments for diarrhea and most of us are living with that every day. Better to fix the more pressing and crippling problem and worry later about the maybe problem.

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   Posted 3/6/2006 1:59 PM (GMT -7)   
^thankyou^ :-)

lnape
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   Posted 3/8/2006 11:38 AM (GMT -7)   
dorri,

You can be sure that the amount of magnesium you are taking can be the cause of your diarrhea.

It seems logical to put a person with kidney stones on a low calcium diet, but that actually encourages more stone formation. As calcium levels drop, oxalate levels rise, and high oxalate concentration in the urine promotes stone formation. Sometimes doctors tell their patients to avoid foods like chocolate, nuts beets, rhubarb, spinach strawberries and wheat bran the foods that are high in oxalates.

Drinking water is important for stone prevention just sip water throughout the day.

Linda


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   Posted 3/9/2006 4:41 PM (GMT -7)   
It is suspected that I have a form of IBD (colonoscopy was normal but biopsies showed low grade inflammation in the first layer in colon... but that inflammation could have been caused by the prep they make you go through... anyone who has had a c scope knows about that). But I that I dont get nearly enough calcium in my diet and I have D so I will give calcium citrate a try...
Is it UC or MC?
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lnape
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   Posted 3/9/2006 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Terps19,

You may want to check your side effects of the meds you take also. And you said you were going to try the calcium citrate. This is not correct. It is calcium carbonate with vitamin D that can help with diarrhea. Calcium CITRATE is another form of calcium and you may be getting it mixed up with the brand name of calcium Caltrate. Email me if you need some help with the calcium.

Linda


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   Posted 3/9/2006 9:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Linda,
You have been so great helping everyone with calcium. I don't know what this board would do without you. Thank you!
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lnape
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   Posted 3/10/2006 6:46 AM (GMT -7)   
7Lil,

I am glad to help if I can and you can feel free to give my email to anyone who you run across that may want to try the calcium. I have been at this now for almost 8 years and have lots of success with many and the great emails I get and messages sent on the boards are so encuraging to me it keeps me coming back to let others know there may be some help with the diarrhea attacks they may be having. As you see above things can get a little mixed up at times and some give up too soon but as long as they have someone to go to for help and make the effort I will be glad to assist if I can.

Linda


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   Posted 3/10/2006 2:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Well I take wellbutrin which has a constipating effect... All the rest are to help with IBD which shouldnt cause more D than I already have. I bought the Calcium Caltrate like you said... I sure hope it has carbonate and not citrate!!! I will start taking it tonight with dinner. Crossing my finger!
Is it UC or MC?
Asacol... 2 tabs 2 times daily
Entocort EC 9mg
Rowasa enemas- never really sat well with me
VSL#3 probiotic-1-2 packets a day
Compazine 10 mg as needed
Wellbutrin 150 mg Ativan .5 mg as needed
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lnape
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   Posted 3/10/2006 4:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Terps19,

Be sure to only take 1/2 tablet with you food for the first 3 days at least 4 or 5 hours apart. lIt takes about 3 days to get used to taking the calcium so give your body time to adjust. You may have some gas or indigestion but it should not be bad if you take the 1/2 tablet with food. Let me know how you do.

Linda


Terps19
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   Posted 3/11/2006 2:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Well I took a half of one last night, and a half of one this morning, and about 2 hours after my second dose I started to get gas and indigestion. I guess this is normal? Should it get better tomorrow (have less gas tomorrow)?
Is it UC or MC?
Asacol... 2 tabs 2 times daily
Entocort EC 9mg
Rowasa enemas- never really sat well with me
VSL#3 probiotic-1-2 packets a day
Compazine 10 mg as needed
Wellbutrin 150 mg Ativan .5 mg as needed
Officially married!


Terps19
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   Posted 3/12/2006 2:02 PM (GMT -7)   

Inape-

Today my bm was of a different color.  Usually it is a dark brown but today about half of it was of a tan color.  I have never seen this before and am wondering if that is normal when taking calcium supplements at first?


Is it UC or MC?
Asacol... 2 tabs 2 times daily
Entocort EC 9mg
Rowasa enemas- never really sat well with me
VSL#3 probiotic-1-2 packets a day
Compazine 10 mg as needed
Wellbutrin 150 mg Ativan .5 mg as needed
Officially married!


lnape
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   Posted 3/12/2006 4:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Terps19,

The gas and indigestion is normal that is why you start with 1/2 tablet to limit this. You can take simethicone for gas. But watch what you take if you do not use this because it usuallly contains magnesium for indigestion or gas and this can give you diarrhea.

The color is not a problem what we are looking for is the firmness. How was that.

Take the calcium with food.

Linda


Terps19
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   Posted 3/12/2006 4:45 PM (GMT -7)   
I am taking the calcium with food. I take imdoium so firmness is never really a problem so to speak unless I eat some food that really doesnt agree with me. I couldnt tell if it was any firmer than usual or softer than usual, if anything it did not have a lot of the definition a normal bowel movement has... I do take Gas X or Phazyme both containing simethicone about 2-3 times a week for gas that I have related to IBD or IBS whatever I have.
Is it UC or MC?
Asacol... 2 tabs 2 times daily
Entocort EC 9mg
Rowasa enemas- never really sat well with me
VSL#3 probiotic-1-2 packets a day
Compazine 10 mg as needed
Wellbutrin 150 mg Ativan .5 mg as needed
Officially married!


lnape
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   Posted 3/12/2006 4:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Terps19,

Check the Gas x for mangesium. If it has it do not use it. If you can stop the immodium and the probiotic it may be of some help also.

Linda


Terps19
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   Posted 3/12/2006 7:56 PM (GMT -7)   
why would stopping the probiotic help?? That is the only thing that I have shown improvement on besdes Entocort and imdoium. I am an accountant and at the peak of busy season and I cant afford to be on the pot all day... no one would get there taxes done and I would be out of a job and other people would get in trouble with the IRS...
Is it UC or MC?
Asacol... 2 tabs 2 times daily
Entocort EC 9mg
Rowasa enemas- never really sat well with me
VSL#3 probiotic-1-2 packets a day
Compazine 10 mg as needed
Wellbutrin 150 mg Ativan .5 mg as needed
Officially married!


dbab
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   Posted 3/12/2006 10:41 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm also curious as to why stopping the probiotic will help since the main objective of the probiotic is to replenish your good bacteria.
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