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spengler
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   Posted 11/10/2005 10:16 AM (GMT -7)   
I've seen a lot of sites implying that there can be years worth of buildup in the colon, some have profucts to sell
some do not.
 
The basic idea seems to be lots of water cleanses out mucus/stool that's been impacted for months/years.
 
I was wondering if anyone had any experience with this, and if it helped with IBS at all.

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   Posted 11/10/2005 10:24 AM (GMT -7)   

I personally think all that crap is bogus.

Just my opinion.  I think there are a ton of money-making schemes out there that are potentially harmful to our health and I think the whole "colon cleansing" thing is hogwash.  Stool doesn't get "impacted," it gets eliminated.  You're not going to go in there and find stool that's been there for years!  Days at most.  Even naturopathic physicians are very careful about the products they use in the intestine.  My advice: DON'T go anywhere near those without consulting a medical or naturopathic doctor first.


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   Posted 11/10/2005 10:28 AM (GMT -7)   
*sigh* okay, i'm just in a lot of discomfort and things like http://www.oxypowder.com/oxypowder/oxypowder-works.php look so promising..... on the one hand, the medical communicaty seems to have nothing to say about it, but on the other, all these sites have lots of "testamonials".

I certainly FEEL like there's a lot of junk in my intestines.

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   Posted 11/10/2005 11:52 AM (GMT -7)   
I have heard it is dangers. I just read "Why Do Men Have Nipples?" and the doc (who co-wrote the book) addresses this matter saying DON'T DO IT.
Hang in there... keep looking and talking to docs and you will find something to help you.
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Keriamon
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   Posted 11/10/2005 2:45 PM (GMT -7)   
All that colon cleansing stuff is going to be is a laxative. Take a Correctol or down some aloe vera juice and it will do the same thing for you. If you are constipated, then you should take something to get flowing again, and try and find something that keeps you flowing afterwards that's not a chemical (fiber, aloe). That other stuff isn't going to get out anything extra; poop isn't like cholesterol that builds up in your arteries and has to be scraped out with surgery. If it did that, doctors would have been warning us about poop build-ups years ago. Poop comes out, or it doesn't. Take a laxative, it comes out. Doesn't matter what laxative you take, it all does the same thing in the end.

spengler
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   Posted 11/10/2005 3:41 PM (GMT -7)   
jKeriamon, I basically agree with you, and think the notion of fecal matter building up for years is a little ludicrous - a lot of these places mention that "fiber abraisivly removes recent build up, but not fat build up and impacted fecal matter".

What about
http://www.colon-cleanse-constipation.com/colon-cleansing-treatments.html
though?

"As Dr James Balch writes, “Retained debris in the colon leads to the absorption of toxins resulting in systemic poisoning. Colon cleansing can rid the colon of debris and help prevent and treat a variety of health problems.”

In order to prevent such problems, it is recommended that one regularly cleanses their colon, small and large intestine. This is known as ‘colon cleansing.’ As the average adult has between 5 and 40 pounds of compacted waste in their bowels, a good colon cleanse would be of great benefit. It is important to know that all colon cleansing treatments are not equal, however."

and what about the (warning, quite graphic) pictures at
http://tuberose.com/Colon_Health.html ?
total bs?

spengler
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   Posted 11/10/2005 4:40 PM (GMT -7)   
hmm, I got this from quackwatch, which seems to go around debunking medical hooey:

"Around the turn of the twentieth century many physicians accepted the concept of autointoxication, but it was abandoned after scientific observations proved it wrong. In 1919 and 1922, it was clearly demonstrated that symptoms of headache, fatigue, and loss of appetite that accompanied fecal impaction were caused by mechanical distension of the colon rather than by production or absorption of toxins [3,4]. Moreover, direct observation of the colon during surgical procedures or autopsies found no evidence that hardened feces accumulate on the intestinal walls."

"Cleansing" with products composed of herbs and dietary fiber is unlikely to be physically harmful, but the products involved can be expensive. Some people have reported expelling large amounts of what they claim to be feces that have accumulated on he intestinal wall. However, experts believe these are simply "casts" formed by the fiber contained in the "cleansing" products."


I'd say that explains that little mystery. I noticed that most of the products I saw involved eating a large amount of powder type stuff, so I'd say all these things do is line the GI tract with something, and then "magically" strip it away. PHOOEIE!

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   Posted 11/10/2005 8:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Splenger,
One of the arguments against these cleansings is that it flushes away the good bacteria also. When you take probiotics, you are building up your good bacteria which is supposed to be fighting off the bad. You want that good bacteria to stay in your gut.
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   Posted 11/10/2005 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Also, a less dramatic cleansing would be to follow a prep that is used prior to a colonoscopy. If you ever had one and seen the pics, you will know that nothing is left behind in your colon.
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   Posted 11/11/2005 10:55 AM (GMT -7)   
If you are impacted, that means poop isn't coming out due to a poop blockage. You can't have a partial impaction, that I'm aware of. As food moves through your digestive tract, it takes anything and everything along with it. Anything that might get left behind will surely get pushed through next bowel movement. Think of a train of poop with a big cow catcher on the front; it may leave a little behind, but the next train through will pick it up and move it on out.

I have to admit, I'm a gum swallower. If anything would get suck and clog you up, that would be it. But it comes out just like anything else (I've seen it). Like I said, I can't see that any of those colon cleansers are anything other than a really expensive laxative. Personally I get diarrhea often enough I'm not concerned about anything being built-up in me; I naturally colon cleanse when I eat something bad for me, like caffeine.

I don't think that your problems have anything to do with stray bits of poop glued to the walls of your intestines. From what you have described on other posts, you do have a constipation problem, but some of your problem may be false signals from your intestines. You may feel like you are full of poop but really aren't. I sometimes get this weird feeling of not being clean after wiping multiple times, even though there's nothing there. Just a false feeling, or there's something inside rectum that is just making me feel like it's on the outside.

If you haven't had one already, you may want to get an ultrasound to make sure that you don't have any blockages or narrowing or even kinking of your instestines. That sort of thing would account for your feeling impacted and for your narrow poops. If that's not the case, your constipation would most likely be because your intestines not moving as much as they need to to move things along, or you are losing too much water somewhere and that's causing you to be too dry. Obviously drinking a lot of water helps with the latter, but if your doctor okays long-term use of it, stick with small doses of laxatives to help make your stools easier to pass.

If the ultrasound comes up clear, and you can pass stools that contain some water with the use of laxatives, then you can probably write off your "gummed up" feeling as a false feeling. You certainly feel it, but there's nothing there. I sometimes refer to my phantom gall bladder; maybe you have phantom poop. There is such a thing as muscle memory and the intestines are a big muscle--sort of--so maybe they are "remembering" when you have stuff in there, even when you don't. Kind of like when you swim or bike too much and when you lay down at night you feel like you're still doing it.

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   Posted 11/11/2005 12:21 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello All:

Oh...I couldn't stop laughing at all the responses about colon cleansing!  Thanks for all the advice.  I'm laughing, not at the subject nor reasons (which are valid) but, I'm laughing at the way everyone discribes the way poop works.  It is so funny that we have gotten so use to this whole ordeal, that we talk as if it's no big deal.  Can you imagine people who don't have IBS reading our postings!!!

Have a great day/evening, tongue

dlo

 


Keriamon
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   Posted 11/11/2005 1:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Laughing? At what? A poop train with a cow catcher? Now what's so funny about that metaphor? Or maybe glued-on poop is funny? Or phantom poop?

Here I am trying to intellectually discuss poop in terms everyone can understand, and people are laughing. I bet you're the sort of people who would laugh at that toilet with the dancing poop in it. Maybe I should find less humerous words, like "dung", "scat", "droppings", "manure", or just "guano?"

Just remember, it's only funny until someone loses an eye. Then where will you be?

(I'm joking about not joking, by the way.)

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   Posted 11/11/2005 9:08 PM (GMT -7)   

Hello Keriamon,

I don't know.. At times, I feel scared and miserable.  Then sometimes, this IBS problem is embarrassing and hilarous at the same time.  I try to laugh at everything when I can. 

I'm glad several of you talked about colon cleansing, because I was curious about it and had considered it.  The articles were so convincing!

 

dlo


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   Posted 11/11/2005 9:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Don't believe everything you read. We get a lot of advertising on this site of people claiming they have the "cure." If that were true our docs would be telling us about them because they are sick of hearing us b**ch and moan.
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   Posted 11/12/2005 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   

WHEN (not if  :-) ) I become a doctor I am going to make it my mission to b*tch out detox mystics and greedy drug company SOBs.  I just hate them all.  I am empassioned by the prospect of unveiling all the evil, nasty, ludicrous schemes out there for as many people as possible. 

Side note: when I took the medical college admissions test a year and a half ago, there was an essay question that asked something about ethical dilemmas posed to drug companies.  I wrote about a particular drug company that had come out with a med with dual action properties: it could be used to effectively treat African Sleeping Sickness (which kills or debilitates thousands of Africans every year), or could be used to remove unwanted facial hair in women.  Guess how it was marketed and sold?  You got it; all of it went to the U.S. and Europe for women who wanted to get rid of their unsightly facial hair, and Africa got none of it.  It's all about the freakin' money.  Who cares about a bunch of dying Africans when you've got millions of suffering women painfully plucking or bleaching their mustaches??  For crying out loud!

Ahem.  I will remove myself from my soapbox now.  (I got the highest score possible on the essay section, but it still didn't get me into med school!)


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   Posted 11/12/2005 12:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Keep at it, Sarita. We all KNOW you will be a terrific doctor. It's just a shame we can't all be your patients.
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   Posted 11/16/2005 10:12 AM (GMT -7)   
I have been on the oxy powder for the last 5 days. I was desperate to try it as I was suffering badly with gas, discomfort and bloated. up till now it worked as laxative affect and feel good about emptying my colon however, I still feel bloated at the end of the day , must have something to do with my diet. you are suppose to drink veggie juice only and although I am vegetarian, I have protein shake for breakfast and soup for lunch plus egg white omelette for dinner.

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   Posted 11/16/2005 10:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi fday00, welcome to the site!
Thank you for sharing your experience.
Have you thought about taking any anti-gas OTC like Beano or Gas-X? They seem to work pretty well. Beano especially if you take it before eating (or drinking) veggie or fruit juice.
Thanks again, keep posting!
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   Posted 11/22/2005 2:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Ok what about the horrible procedure the colorectal doc does to you to examine you, after he made you do an enema,( and your not constipated at all!!), then he blows this air in your rectum, with God know what. Now folks i have a high tolerance to pain, but that what the worse, I would have preferred to be sedated for that, giving birth was not as painful as that procedure. I guess my point here is if you want a colon cleansing, this procedure will do it and then some, you will have the cleanest colon around, and maybe other organs may be pretty cleaned out if there are any left after this procedure. Thats my two cents....


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   Posted 11/24/2005 5:50 AM (GMT -7)   
LOL.......Sherry you are too funny .......I know I have nothing in there after the colonoscopy and my last one was so painful as well ........did biopsy's and a few days later was told I had H- Pylori which there are so many peeps that have this and do not know it until they get a blood test /or scope .......it is a common thing that can be fixed with an H -Pak .......ask your doc about this as it will mimic other things in our bowels........the bloating after eating (if no C) the upset tummy,gas ect the list goes on ..........Just my 2.5 cents lol.........take care all and have a great day ....God Bless .......Lyn
 
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   Posted 11/24/2005 6:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks Lyn,!!!
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   Posted 11/25/2005 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   

splenger,

I have thought about doing the colon cleansing but haven't brought myself to do it yet.  Never seem to have the time because I am so busy on the weekends.
 
I don't think the colon cleansing is crap at all.  It makes perfect sense.  Toxins do build in the body from IBS and you do need a way to get rid of them.  Its natural and good to cleanse you're body. 
 
Most of the products offered on the market thru health stores etc are safe and most are "all natural".  I have read in the nutritional book which is an excellent book of information that a good way to cleanse yourself is thru a liquid diet combined with something else.  I cannot remember what that was.  I didn't fair well when I had to go on pure liquids for a day so I haven't do it.  But I know they make colon cleanse formula's in health food stores that you can buy.  I wouldn't be afraid of them.  They may make you a little sick because all of the bad toxins are being erradicted but in the end you should feel better.
 
I have been taking chlorophyl which is a blood cleaner and helps against toxins.  It works well

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   Posted 11/26/2005 7:32 AM (GMT -7)   
If I get slowed down, I drink a big ol glass of orange juice. If it gets more serious than that mineral oil is a natural type of laxative and can help, you mix it with water and drink.

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   Posted 11/28/2005 11:53 AM (GMT -7)   
Nightshade is all natural too, but I wouldn't want to ingest it. Please be ever so careful with herbs because they are not regulated in any way--i.e. don't have to have warning lables--and you could actually be taking something that is dangerous. Mind you, herbs for sale in reputable shops are not dangerous to most people, but there have been some links with certain herbs interacting with people's prescription meds or exacerbating some other condition or disease they already had (like heart problems). Doctors usually keep up with what's out there in terms of herbal remedies and can tell you what you absolutely should not take (although they may not can recommend anything to help since there aren't a lot of studies on the effectiveness of a lot of herbs).

My suggestion is if you want to get rid of toxins in your body, don't put anything toxic in there. I've been weaning myself off sugars and processed foods and I think I can tell a difference in my energy levels. This weekend I ate a bunch of sugary stuff and junk I had stashed in the pantry (because I WAS NOT going out to grocery shop on this crazy weekend) and I slept the whole weekend and couldn't motivate to do anything when I was awake. 12.5 hours of sleep Saturday night. And that's not counting the 2-2.5 hour nap I had a few hours before bed. I racked up 11 hours of sleep most nights. Now I've always been prone to sleeping a lot, but that was ridiculous, even for me. I went to bed one night at 7:30! I can't help but think that had something to do with what I was eating. I'm going to the grocery store this evening and am going back to my unprocessed foods again. I haven't gone organic (yet), but you may want to try it if you are concerned about what you are putting in. If you don't eat toxins, then none will accumulate in your system (if anything can accumulate in the digestive tract--there are a lot of bacteria in there whose sole purpose is to clean up--probiotics will make sure you have even more good bactreria in there to clean up with).

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   Posted 11/30/2005 8:18 PM (GMT -7)   
ello ya'll..i basically joined this forum bacause i nedd help. i suffer from chronic constipatin and poop about once every 5 days or so...with the aid of an enema or my new best friends glycerine supposotories(sp). so anyway i have really bad skin and no matter how much water drink nothing seems to work. i recently started taking vit c(2months) but have seen no improvement. untill this gal told me to try a colon cleanse..or beter yet a whole body cleanse....so today i went out and bought...fisrt cleanse by renew life company. apparently it should help with the constipation and i will help the vitamns absorb better. its a two week programme and will keep posting my results. i would also appriciate any advise about colon cleansing.

thanks in advance
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