Probiotic Confusion

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7Lil
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   Posted 11/14/2005 11:06 AM (GMT -7)   
OK, so I take 2 different kinds/brands of probiotics... One is Acidophilus and the other Kyodophilus (blend of 3 probiotics).  One says to take 30 min before a meal and the other says take with a meal (just like that, in bold writing).  Now I'm a little confused because I thought probiotics were pretty much the same; good bacteria for the gut.  Does it really matter when we take them?  If so, which is correct -- Before or with a meal?
Because of this conflicting information I just take them whenever I feel like it.  Sometimes it's before I eat sometimes it's during, and sometimes even after.
Does anyone really know the proper protocol for taking probiotics?
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Sarita
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   Posted 11/14/2005 12:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Lil, I personally don't think it makes much of a difference.  Especially if you are one of those people who eats small amounts frequently throughout the day.  I always take all my meds as soon as I get up in the morning, with whatever liquid happens to be around, and then at night after dinner.  Maybe you could call up the manufacturer and press 'em for details!

spengler
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   Posted 11/14/2005 2:03 PM (GMT -7)   
if this helps, I'm on a lunch break, and my boss tossed this on my desk this morning thinking it might help me, it's from a woman's health magazine:
"a recent study found that people with IBS who consumed suppliments with the beneficial bacteria in yogurt saw their pain drop 52% and severity of other symptoms (such as C/D) by 45%. Another recent trial showed that a milk product with probiotics may boost immunity.
"Some people with IBS have inflammation of the bowel," explains Douglas Drossman, MD, GI. "One theory is that probiotics work by changing bacteria in the gut from bad to good and by altering immune function so that it reduces inflammation."
Experts say it's time for people with IBS to try good bugs. "Probiotics are extremely safe" says gastroenterologist Cynthia Yoshida, MD. She reccomends Stoneyfield Farm yogurts, which have a type of bacteria (lactobacillus reuteri) shown to improve immunity, or a freeze-dried, high-concentration bacteria called VSL#3 ( www.vlspharma.com ). --Stacey Colino

hope this is helpful; I've been thinking about checking out VSL#3, if I do, I'll let y'all know if it's helpful

pb4
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   Posted 11/14/2005 7:21 PM (GMT -7)   
That's the first I've ever heard about IBSers having any inflammation in the bowel, or anywhere in the GI tract for that matter...I wonder if they were confused with IBD, since that's the only disease that has inflammation in the GI tract?

But I have heard that probiotics are good for everyone, those with IBD and IBS likely healthy peeps too, to maintain healthy balance in the gut.

Take care!

Keriamon
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   Posted 11/15/2005 9:27 AM (GMT -7)   
I figure there are two times of inflammation: there's the kind that is caused by having too much acid in your intestines (excess bile), or by having an allergic reaction to certain foods or by having bad bacteria. If you have acid reflux, you will have an inflamed esophagus. If you have hives, you have inflamed skin. If you have an infection in a wound, you will have inflamed skin around it. Basically, this first type of inflammation is surface inflammation, not unlike having a sunburn.

Then there's the second kind of inflammation, where you have a deeper inflammation and swelling. This is more akin to having inflammed joints--which anyone will tell you is more painful than just a sunburn. This sort of inflammation causes functional problems as well. Touching a sunburn hurts, but you can get on with life. An inflammed knee, however, may not bend. A lightly inflamed intestine will work with some pain, but a deeply inflamed intestine may not work much at all and hurt a lot worse.

That's my theory at any rate. I figure excess bile running through my intestines surely burns them as acid will burn anything. And a burn is a type of inflammation, albeit on the surface. Bad bacteria probably aggrevate the surface of the intestines too, like the oils in poison ivy can aggrevate the skin. And of course allergies will always produce some sort of allergic reaction. Of course, all of these examples are of external things acting on the intestines; IBD inflammation is not caused by anything external, that I'm aware of. It flares up on its own (internal causes).

Personally, I found a lot of relief from diarrhea and cramping by eating yogurt. When I got tired of it, though, I switched to probiotics and went back to having diarrhea (although without any more pain). When I switched from probiotics to calcium, however, I got better again. I think it wasn't the probiotics that helped me, but the calcium. I have read that calcium is soothing and can reduce infammation, so I figure it helped heal my intestines from all of that excess bile I was putting through them. Not to mention the sugar alcohol I had by accident. My guts never recovered after getting into that. I figure I had some sort of reaction to it beyond the normal "laxative effect." Maybe I'm allergic to them; I've certainly had worse reactions to it every time I've eaten any and in much smaller amounts. Anyways, that 1 gram of xylitol messed me up but for good.

Not all people have IBS caused by inflammation, though; some people have it caused by bad bacteria, so the probiotics will help them. I have heard that it can take a while to take effect, though. I still eat yogurt when I want some because it never hurts to have some extra good bacteria in there, regardless of your health. There are some studies out or in the works that indicate the healthier our guts are, the more immunity we have from other diseases. My G.I's N.P. swore by Culturelle. Said she started it a week before she went to Mexico on some mission work and took it religiously every day while she was down there for three weeks (and I think she took it for a week after she got back) and she was the only person in her group not to get diarrhea while she was there.

If you can tolerate yogurt, I would say eat it rather than pop the pills. The calcium is good for everybody and it may just help your intestines as well as the probiotics do. Not to mention I have no problems with full fat yogurt (you don't have to eat it full-fat, though), but acidophilllus pills give me mild gas cramps. I don't think when you eat it is a big deal. Maybe it causes less gas if you eat it with something else, but from what I've read it makes little difference to the number of bacteria that actually make it to your intestines. Whether eaten with other food or alone, you stomach acids will destroy a lot of them. My theory on medicine is to take it when you remember it. I keep my welchol and calcium out next to my sink (almost nothing else on the counter, so they're easy to see), so I see them in the morning when I go to fix my hair and see the bottles most evenings as I come out of the toilet room. Sometimes I forget my evening dose, but I don't think it is as important as the one I take to start my day (which I take an hour or better before I eat breakfast, so it's had time to get in there and work before I start putting anything in there).

flybullseye
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   Posted 11/19/2005 10:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Would yougurt trigger acid reflux in me, you think??? I have a hiatal hernia (just found out) and I have ALOT OF ACID building up in my body like you were mentioning. I take Primal Defense and it helps but I want to start eating yogurt again, if I can. I use to eat it all the time before my acid reflux and it kept me pretty regular.

Thank you!!
Michelle :)

pb4
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   Posted 11/19/2005 6:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I've always heard that dairy like milk and yogurt were suppose to be soothing to things like acid reflux, but I could be wrong on that.

Take care!

Keriamon
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   Posted 11/21/2005 11:02 AM (GMT -7)   
My mother has always treated her heartburn with milkshakes. As long as you aren't lactose intolerant, I would think it wouldn't hurt anything.

7Lil
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   Posted 11/21/2005 11:14 AM (GMT -7)   
Sometimes a glass of milk does wonders for me when I have heartburn; as long as I don't have an upset stomach too. When I decide to have an alcoholic beverage it is always Kahlua & Cream (or milk), just about everything else gives me heartburn. I think I just need something to coat my stomach because alcohol always burns.
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sheryl=jk
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   Posted 11/22/2005 2:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Milk works for my husband but gives the runs so no milk for me, I am getting the picture her I am lactose intolerant and should avoid dairy, thats hard for a cheddar cheese lover, and cheese usally stops you up, does the opposite to me. Not to mantion the migraines chesse cause, so I aonly have a little here and their. I have a question on the probiotics too, my daughter been on htem a year sh si six and a half, its has done wonders for her, helps prevent yeast infections her bowels are regulated without her being stopped up or the runs ( I would use the formal words but I am too tired to spell correctly, and i think eveyone know what I am saying LOL!) She would sometimes be stopped up for a month without a BM. SO its was severe and had been hospitilized, but hse ok with that now ( sh ehas other issues, read the adhd forum!!!!) BUt my question is I have IC interstitial cystitis, I was taking these supplemtns to until I read it actually casue an acid in your stomach, not qutie sure I understood the menaing of this, but I can not have citrus, tomatoes soda, anyhting with acid, so I stopped using them, and truthfully did not them doing naything for me, and noticed no difference when I stopped. But I will swear by it for my daughter. Can anyone explain about the acid part???...
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   Posted 11/22/2005 7:34 AM (GMT -7)   
http://www.stonyfield.com/Wellness/SixLiveActiveCultures.cfm
http://www.stonyfield.com/Wellness/Inulin.cfm

This is the yogurt I eat. One is a link to their list of cultures (they do seem to have more than any other yogurt), and the second link is to information about inulin. It is a type of fiber that not only increases calcium absorption, but it also is a prebiotic--which means it helps increase good bacteria by providing them with nutrients/food.
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