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Patty from Ks
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   Posted 11/16/2005 7:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I'm not sure if you guys can help or not, but here goes. I have had hemrroids for 14 years now they would come and go. But in the last 6 months I have had almost constant external hemrroid it will shrink then get big again. I have used both OTC ointment & Rx cream with no real help. I have ask my PCP to refer me to a surgeon to have it removed but am now wondering if they remove external hemrroids? I am getting them with the big D too. I know I'm not straining then. Any one have had hemrroids removed? Any thoughts you can share on this less than comfortable topic I would apreciate. Thanks Patty

Sarita
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   Posted 11/16/2005 9:19 PM (GMT -6)   
Patty, my hemmies/skin tags never go away at all; they're always there.  Then again, they don't really feel too bad most of the time.  Are yours very painful/annoying?  You can get them removed - it's called a hemorrhoidectomy, I think - but unless they are really terrible you might just want to keep trying OTC remedies.  Talk to your doc about the surgery option to see what s/he says about it.

pb4
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   Posted 11/16/2005 9:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Good lord Patty...your story sounds all too familiar and if I was you (which I might just be) I'd be getting in to see a colon and rectom surgeon and I mean an excellent one, one who's been around the block a few times, no fresh meat!!!

Same story for me as what you've described only after having an emergency hemherroidectomy (they were "tied" off not cut off), I soon found out afterwards that they were never hemherroids but instead perianal crohns skin tags that were in a severe flare and should not have had surgery done on them...you may not know this but with crohns disease it commonly starts in the ileum this is the junction of where the small and large intestines join and the usual symptoms are the diarrhea, cramping, weight loss, often blood and often fatigue...my crohns did not start there, but instead in the anus with these external skin tags that were mistook for hemmies by every family doc and the stupid inexperianced colon and rectom surgeon who performed the surgery without scoping me.

My pain before and after the surgery was so bad that my pubic bone even ached and I would have to fill the tub with water to relieve myself in the form of bowel movements, before the surgery my bowel movements were still formed and normal looking (size and all) but the frequency that came out of the blue for me was totally disregarded by the surgeon when I told her before the surgery. After the surgery, because I wasn't treated properly for the actual condition I had (since you should NEVER HAVE SURGERY ON FLARING PERIANAL CROHNS SKIN TAGS) then the D and everything eles followed because my crohns made its way up inside of me.

I am trying to scare you to go and see an excellent doctor/specialist ASAP because I don't want you to end up in my shoes that I've been walking in for the last 14 1/2 yrs.

After it was discovered that I infact had crohns disease, the GI that scoped me questioned me about having hemmie surgery on my skin tags and sent me to see an experianced colon and rectom surgeon who happend to know the surgeon that "tied" off my tags, this new colon and rectom surgeon felt bad, he said she should have known better because she was his understudy and he stressed cases like mine and made clear the differences between actual hemherroides which are swelled up veins and perianal crohns skin tags which is swelled up skin that has diseased tissue inside, which is why they should never have surgery done on them while flaring, especially cutting them off, because the diseased tissue cannot heal properly and easily can remain as open wounds...not to mention the area we're talking about keeping them totally clean to heal is next to impossible.

He informed that had I been taken care of properly, I should have gotten a script of cortifoam enema which would have shrunk the tags back down to tiny and then they could have been snipped on in the doctors office with no problems, but instead I got screwed over by this inexperianced moron...and the fact that I'm either allergic or non-responsive to the oral meds for crohns, I've had to rely on natural products for a little relief but have lost my quality of life thanks to one big mistake...the colon and rectom surgeon warned me that if I had any troubles with the meds not working I'd be hard pressed to ever gain full remission and he was right, 14 1/2 yrs later and I've never been in full remission, barely even a partial one.

I am now suspected of also having IBS because my bowels have never been in remission (a break) which they figure has led to IBS, irritable I guess after that many yrs with constant inflammation and polyps from having crohns disease, my GI told me that it's not uncommon for someone who's had CD for so long to develop IBS as well...I'm lactose intolerant as well, as of the last 3ish yrs, so for me it's the same crap just different piles of it...everywhere.

Now I'm not saying for sure that you have what I have but like I said, your story is way too close to mine.

Go see someone good, take care!

Post Edited (pb4) : 11/16/2005 7:32:36 PM (GMT-7)


Keriamon
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   Posted 11/17/2005 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Hey, one of our ex presidents had hemmeroids removed while he was in office. I believe it was Regan. So, you've got company when it comes to that sort of thing.

Have you had any children? Pregnancy can often lead to hemmeroids. Strange, though, that you would suddenly have diarrhea too. Definitely do as pb suggests and make sure they are what people think they are before having them removed.

Patty from Ks
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   Posted 11/17/2005 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
I'm seeing a specialist 3 hours aways. My hemie should be good and irrated by the time I get there. I will ask about skin tags. The big D is not a new thing just the hemie with it is. I was diagnosed as having IBS 3 years ago. Had my gallbladder out soon after. I have had a scope and the GI said he found nothing. But he did say my colon was very irrated. Ive wonder if he miss dx and I do have CD but I have no blood in my D except when the hemie bleeds. Kerimon Yes I have three children years 21, 17, & 14. My youngest had a very large head! dropped a month before delivery. I had a mess back there after he was born. I had the hemie thing under control till the IBS & gallbladder problems. Thanks for the advice. Patty

Keriamon
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   Posted 11/17/2005 3:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Do you have yellow diarrhea and/or does it burn?

pb4
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   Posted 11/17/2005 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Glad to hear that you're getting this checked out right away...I hope for you that it is just severe hemmies, but will add I didn't always have bleeding with my CD so you can't always go by bleeding alone...my skin tags would come and go before I had my first child, it was after she was born (a yr and 1/2 later that they got out of control) she was a big baby, 8lbs,15oz especially for my small frame and being my first one but like I said they would come and go before and I was always reasured by family docs they were just hemmies...after having my daughter they did not want to go, they got furious instead...I think hormones connected to pregnancy does funny things to crohns...because they even say that while flaring with crohns, sometimes becomming pregnant can put the CD in remission because of the hormonal changes in the body.

Anyways, let us know and I sure hope you'll be seeing an excellent doctor...but I do have one question, when they said it looked like your colon was very irritated, and then sent you away saying you had IBS, what exactly does that mean? Since there is no inflammation with IBS and I've always heard that those with IBS only, have a healthy and normal looking GI tract.

Take care!

Patty from Ks
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   Posted 11/17/2005 7:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Kerimon no the D is not yellow anymore. some times the soft unformed BMs will be like tar, I hate those impossible to get all wiped off. I watch the fatty foods and very rarely eat anything that is deep fat fried.

pb4 I am not thrilled with my GI doc. that is why I'm not sure of his dx. When I start getting blood in my poo I'll find a new GI. As long as I behave I'm not having to much trouble.

Keriamon
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   Posted 11/18/2005 9:54 AM (GMT -6)   
If you do have problems with bile diarrhea, there is medicine for it. I don't have a gall bladder either, so I have to take it in order to be able to eat much of anything. Otherwise I'd have diarrhea a lot. This summer I developed diarrhea with cramps that didn't have any bile in it--just really soft, really frequent movements. I ended up going back on my Welchol (had been off it while on a very low fat diet) and I added in calcium supplements. It took a little bit, but I've finally gotten myself under control again.
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