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sportsfanatic girl
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   Posted 12/17/2005 12:17 PM (GMT -6)   
ok! i had my gallbladder out 7 years ago. doctors tell me ibs but i wonder if the problems i have are from my gallbladder being gone. i always have diarrhea as soon as i finish eating. i was never like this before. how would i know if it's gallbladder related? would my bowels look different. yesterday i ate a doughnut and then had bad diarrhea(about 4 times or so) there was yellow and it burned when i finished. i am just so frustrated! today my husband and son went out to eat and guess who stayed home? me! what do you think? thanks! lisa

blondie15
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   Posted 12/17/2005 1:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey! I have the same problem when I eat...after I eat sometimes i get horrible yellow diarrhea and it burns like CRAZY! but I still have my gallbladder in. Gallbladder problems run in my family tho..two women on my dads side have had their removed and my dads sometimes gives him problems..anything fatty gives me alot of trouble...

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   Posted 12/17/2005 2:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi girls, it sounds like you both could be having gallbladder problems.
Lisa, are you on anything to help break down fat? Like Welchol? Keriamon loves it and advocates that it works wonders. If you aren't on any med you should really consider a highly low fat diet. Donuts would be out of the question. Even just having IBS, donuts are a NO-NO.
Blondie, have you had yours checked... thoroughly? Usually the best way to detect a bad gallbladder is via hidascan. Especially since gallbladder troubles run in your family, your doc should have checked it thoroughly. I think I remember you commenting that your parents don't want to take you to the doc, maybe this is a good way to go see one - say you might have gallbladder issues (since it runs in the family).
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blondie15
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   Posted 12/17/2005 2:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Nah, ive never had my gallbladder checked. Yeah my parents are little psycho about doctors, they never want to go because they dont want to pay any money. :( I just want this to go away! lol
Btw 7lil, how are you feelin? Ive got the cold/flu thing too. it sucks!

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   Posted 12/17/2005 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
Most likely what you have if you have had your gall bladder removed is bile salts diarrhea and calcium carbonate can help you with this.

Here is the calcium information. I know it is a lot to take in but it may be will worth it to see if this simple solution can offer you the relief it has me and many others. You need to follow it as close as you can to get the best results. I know it sound too simple to work but it really does help a lot.

This is what has helped me for more than 7 years with almost daily attacks of urgent diarrhea after having my Gall Bladder removed. Calcium is known to be constipating so if you are that IBS type do not take it. All calcium is not the same. Here is the what and how to take the calcium information if you suffer from diarrhea.

Calcium is an OTC supplement we all do not usually get enough of. No Rx is needed to purchase this.

When you take calcium about 40% of the dose gets to the bones the rest is eliminated in our waste. The calcium goes to the intestines and soaks up excess fluids and binds them together and they are gotten rid of in our waste.

This is a process that can be continued by taking the calcium carbonate on a daily basis thus giving a more formed BM.

There is calcium carbonate which helps us with diarrhea and there is calcium citrate which is more easily absorbed by the body and gets to the bones but is not as helpful in controlling diarrhea.

A lot of the calcium supplements contain a 2 to 1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. Magnesium is not helpful for us with diarrhea only causing more in most cases. So, do not purchase this combination. It will only make things worse. Also if you are taking a multi vitamin with magnesium this may be a source of some of the problem if you are having diarrhea. Also for me vitamin A, C, and E seemed to cause me stomach upset. If you check this out your will see they too can cause diarrhea. It is better not to take a multi vitamin while trying to get the calcium to help.

The dose to take is different for everyone. I must take 3 a day one at each meal and it does not make a difference if I take it before during or after just take it regularly. Taking them at least 4 or 5 hours apart is also necessary so the calcium has time to go through the system and soak up excess bile and water. Sometimes, because of the long number of hours between dinner and breakfast it may be necessary to adjust your timing to taking one at bedtime with a small snack to get better results if you are a person who usually suffers from diarrhea in the mornings. I think the way it works is the dose you take prior helps with the current meal and the distress it may cause.

The most success has come from using any formula of calcium supplement that is like Caltrate 600 Plus with Vitamin D and Minerals in the purple and white box. This information is from the many users that have sent me emails and of the posters on the web sites I have dealt with. I hope this will help anyone wishing to try it and I am always here to answer any questions for you. I have a lot of feed back form many users.

You must also have some testing done to be sure you are not dealing with anything more serious. This is most important.

There are other things to consider. If you take any other meds check the side effects and also check with the Doctor or Pharmacist to see if taking calcium will interfere with your other medications and how you might take them. I know if you take thyroid meds it is important not to take the calcium at the same time but you can take the thyroid meds one hour before you take calcium or 4 hours after taking the calcium. The calcium will soak up the thyroid medication and you will not be getting the benefit from it. You should also look at the side effects of any other meds you may be on this can contribute to the success or failure of using calcium to help to control your diarrhea. You may also consider if you are constipated and taking calcium this may be the reason for your constipation. You can most likely switch to another form of calcium to relieve this also.

The only side effect is at the beginning of taking the calcium, you may have some gas or indigestion but this usually goes away soon after taking a regular dose for a few days as your body adjusts to the added calcium. For most it is about 3 days and it is important to start with the lower dose so you don't have the added distress and think the calcium is not helping but making you worse.

Starting with 1/2 tablet doses with each meal will lessen this problem and it may be enough to control the diarrhea attacks without making you constipated.

Constipation can be a problem so be careful not to take too much. It is safe for most of us to take 1800 mg a day as long as your body processes calcium correctly and you do not have some underlying problem. Check with your Doctor.

I had my gall bladder removed in 1976 and from that time on I had suffered urgent attacks of diarrhea. It is now known to me that is called Bile Salts Diarrhea. This happens to a good percent of people who have had their Gall Bladder Removed. I Went through a lot of test but nothing else could be found. I took many of the meds for bowel spasms and cramps over the years but nothing ever seemed to help. I started to take a calcium supplement to help prevent bone loss in later years and from the first day I felt relief. I was pretty much a prisoner to the bathroom or had to go without eating to be able to leave the house.

I must take 1 tablet with each meal and the diarrhea does not come back if I miss taking it I get diarrhea. It is a trial and error situation to find the right amount that may help you.

The way it works is the calcium carbonate it a binder and when you take it only about 40% of the calcium gets to the bones and the rest is gotten rid of in our waste. During that process it gets to the intestines and soaks up excess bile and water and helps give a more solid BM. Now that you have no gall bladder the bile fluid goes directly into the intestines and causes irritation and diarrhea. That burning yellowish color that you may see is the bile. The calcium carbonate soaks this up and no more diarrhea. It works great for a lot of us and you just have to take the calcium regularly and do not miss.

I started with Caltrate 600 Plus with vitamin D and minerals and it does seem to make a difference in the ingredients of calcium... This one seems to do the best job for most. You can buy other store brands of calcium with the same ingredients that work just as well but they need to have the same ingredients. I get Member's Mark Brand from Sam's Club you get 300 tablets for 8.99. I know Walgreens has their brand with the same ingredients and if you live in the UK Boots has been reported to have something similar. Let me know if you need more help. You won't be sorry if you try it.

I suggest starting with 1/2 tablet with each meal at first this may be enough to control the diarrhea if not in a few days up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal or any combination there of. The side effect is constipation so if you feel it coming on just stop taking it until you have a BM then start back on a lower dose. It is important to use a calcium that is as much alike as the Caltrate brand from the feedback I have gotten.

Let me list the ingredients:

Vitamin D 200 IU (The sunshine vitamin needed to help the body absorb calcium)

Calcium 500 or 600 MG (This should be calcium carbonate form) (Calcium is the most abundant mineral in the body. It is essential for maintaining strong bones and teeth. Calcium is vital to muscle and nerve function, blood clotting and metabolism.)

Magnesium 40 MG (No more than this amount because magnesium will cause you to have diarrhea but because calcium is constipating the magnesium helps to counter act that effect) (Magnesium is essential to build bones and is needed for muscle function, energy metabolism, trans-mission of nerve impulses and to make genetic material and protein.)

Zinc 7.5 MG (Zinc is necessary for some metabolic processes, normal growth and sexual development, and proper immune system functions.)

Copper 1 MG (Copper promotes iron absorption and is essential to red blood cells, connective tissue, fibers and skin pigmentation.)

Manganese 1.8 MG (Maganese plays an important role in metabolism and is also needed to build bones and tendons.)

Boron 250 MCG. (Improves calcium and magnesium retention. Similar improvements can also be seen in Vitamin D deficient post menopausal females.)

There are other brands with the same ingredients so get something as close as you can. Then start with 1/2 tablet with each meal and in a few days if this is not enough to control your diarrhea then up the dose to 1 tablet with each meal. If you feel you are becoming constipated then cut back on the dose. You may have to stop the calcium completely then start back after you have a BM at a lower dose.

It has been working since the first day I started taking it July 1998 and as long as I take 3 a day (this is the amount I must take it may be different for you) I remain diarrhea free. No cramps, bloating or diarrhea. No stomach noises, gas or pain. If I should happen to have a case of diarrhea for who knows what reason it is very short lived and not the pain involved like before and this I am sure happens to even normal people. It is usually a one shot deal and it is over.


The dose you take with each meal is not the dose that is helping you at that meal it is the prior ones that have time to works their way through you system to soak up excess bile and water in the intestines.

It also works for those of you who still have the gall bladder.

Take Care,

Linda

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Keriamon
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   Posted 12/19/2005 10:13 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know whether calcium will help bile diarrhea or not--it did help my non-bile diarrhea--but I rely on Welchol for the excess bile (so does my mother-in-law). It's a prescription. You'll have to go to a G.I. to get it (regular docs don't know about it). You can take it daily to prevent problems, or you can take it before you eat something you know will bother you to prevent an attack. Or you can even take it after you develop problems. One pill and 30 minutes usually will fix me up.

IBS is a term applied to any bowel/digestive problem that is not Ulcerative Colits, Crohn's, diverticulitus, or acid reflux. So yes, your lack of a gall bladder can cause you to have IBS. Guess what? Almost everyone else who has one removed has IBS. Your intestines aren't the problem--too much bile or bile dumped at the wrong time is your problem--but until they invent a word for post-gall bladder bile problems (maybe "bileitis" or "bile-induced colitis"), then it just gets lumped under the heading "IBS."

Blondie, put your foot down with your family and tell them you want to go to a doctor. Which would they rather do, go now while it's convenient, or go as an emergency when you have a gall stone lodged in your bile duct? (Mind you, you may not have stones at all--yours may be like mine and just dysfunctional--but if you have gall bladder problems, stones may be causing it, and they can be a bit dangerous if they get lodged in there and set up an infection.) Do you have a school nurse that you can go to and discuss your problems and have her contact your parents and pressure them into doing something? Gall bladders never get better on their own. They only get worse as time goes on. Trust me, I suffered with mine for 5 years. There's no reason for you to have to suffer for that long too.

sportsfanatic girl
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   Posted 12/19/2005 5:52 PM (GMT -6)   
how can i tell if it's bile related or just regular diarrhea? thanks! lisa

Keriamon
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   Posted 12/20/2005 9:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Bile diarrhea is yellow and burns a lot. Regular diarrhea is not yellow and doesn't burn. Bile diarrhea tends to get worse every subsequent time you have to go. It may not appear very yellow in the toilet, and it may only burn a little the first movement, but your toilet paper will usually be more yellow than what's in the toilet and the next time you have to go it will become more yellow and burn worse until after three or four trips you're wiping with a wet washcloth and what's in the toilet is almost neon yellow. That's when you know you're pooping nothing but bile. Regular diarrhea will have you just expelling water after a while, which will have little color and will be tinted some shade of brown at that.

sportsfanatic girl
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   Posted 12/20/2005 1:18 PM (GMT -6)   
the other day it was yellow and burned, but most of the time it's just brown and watery. maybe i should try calcium. what do you think. i always have the urge after everytime i eat and end up with diarrhea but not always yellow. i was not this way before my gallbladder was removed. can people have diarrhea after the removal but not necessarily bile salts diarrhea? thanks so much for listening and the advice. lisa

Keriamon
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   Posted 12/20/2005 1:29 PM (GMT -6)   
You can actually vary between the two types for the same reason. Too much bile leads to bile diarrhea. However too little bile means your fat doesn't get digested properly and that too leads to diarrhea. If you can get in to see a G.I., I would suggest getting some Welchol for the bile. Until then, see if calcium pills help you. When I was having my problems back this summer, I found I needed both the Welchol and the calcium to take care of my problem, since I was varying between the two different types. Now that my guts have gotten used to my new eating pattern, I only need one dose of Welchol a day and if I start to get constipated, I only take one every other day.

lnape
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   Posted 1/5/2006 8:58 PM (GMT -6)   
sportfanatic girl,

Send me an email and I would be glad to help you with the calcium if you want too try it. It really has helped lots of us without a gall bladder.

Linda

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arthy
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   Posted 1/8/2009 6:07 PM (GMT -6)   
   hi had my gallbladder out nearly 4 years ago . have had slight pain over the yrs in the same place as i had my gallbladder pain. had been to doctors last yr with bad pain .he didn't seem too bothered about it.3 weeks ago i started having really bad pain it made me cry .it started on the sunday and lasted all week .in that week .had seen 6 doctors 2 at the hospital.3 treated me for heartburn.3 treated me for mustle pain.i asked the doctor at the hospital on the thursday could it be possible for it to be stones in my bile duct as when i had my gallbladder removed i had a stone in the bile duct but when they took it out it shattered.i went in 3 months later to make sure there was none left behind.he said it was impossible after all this time .on the friday the pain was still as bad and my husband stayed at home with me and called the doctor for a house visit .it was the doctor i had seen on the wednesday who treated me for heartburn. when he came in and saw that i was crying with the pain and how bad it was he said thats not heartburn you've got stones somewhere probably in the liver or pancreas.i went for a scan and guess what i have stones in the bile duct. first time round before i had my gallbladder removed the week before surgery i had a scan and it didn't show any stones in the bile duct .the lady who did the scan said the lining of the bile duct had thickened she said this happens when youv'e had gallbladder trouble for a while.i have had blood tests in the past to check my gallbladder and they all came back nagative and yet i had stones so never give up you know your body better than anybody and when somethings not right don't give up.i didn't have jaundice or whitish poo.which the doctors asked me so again everybodys symptoms are different.hope this helps some of you.

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   Posted 1/9/2009 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi arthy,
Welcome to HealingWell! :-)
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It's unfortunate what you went through, but you're right, we know our bodies better than anyone... We can't give up if we feel in our gut something is not right.
So, are you now feel a whole lot better?
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gigi1121
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   Posted 6/27/2009 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I was perfectly healthy active person with no digestive problems until my gallbladder gave me problems. They found stones so I had it removed 8 months ago. One month after the surgery I started to have problems. I would have nausau, beltching, tightness in waist, I couldn't eat, I would have cramping before a bowl movement. I have the doctor hundreds of times and they took a h-ployria test negative, pancritis test negative, MRCP xray nothing, a complete physical with blood test, liver enzynes normal.

These episodes would come and go every 2 weeks. I am on a bland diet no read meat, no dairy, I just drink water, and decaf ice tea.

I just had an episode yesterday and today and they would last for a few days. Does this sound like IBS? I feel so sick with it and it interfers with my life.

MisterErl1979
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   Posted 7/3/2009 12:30 PM (GMT -6)   
It could be IBS. Most likely you suffer from post-cholecystectomy syndrome. There is a drug you can try called Questran (cholestyramine) that some people who have this problem swear by. It absorbs the excess bile. What happens is now that your gb is gone you dont have anything to regulate the flow of bile. You can have too much that your small bowel can't absorb it where it makes it's way to your colon and there it acts as a laxative.

It's impossible to predict who will suffer this because it depends on how the patients body will adjust to not having the gb. In come cases, this gets better over time. For some it doesn't. I hope this information helps and hope you're feeling better.

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   Posted 4/25/2010 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, I am Squeekie. Okay, I am 17 years old. I have been to doctor after doctor telling me I have IBS. I had my appendix out when I was 15. I have lately (like the past month or so) have had frequent diarrhea, and it is soft/watery yellow. And it hurts. I was tested for gallgladder this past September, and it came back negative. I have uncontrolable painful gas, and pain from across my ribs on the right and on my back by my ribs. I don't know if it is, and I am going to see my doctor soon. Do any of you have a idea if it is just the IBS acting up or if it is my gallbladder? BTW my aunt and cousin had their gallbladders out at 17/18 years old. And most of my family have had it out. Thank you ever so much, it means a lot to me.

~Squeekie

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   Posted 4/29/2010 9:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I have the same problem and I just had my gallbladder out 5 weeks ago.
im dxed with  herniated discs,fibromylagia , scolosis,ddd,athritis, spinal stenosis , spinal blockage ,gerd,gastric ulcer (2008), pernicous anemia , folic acid anemia and gallbladder removal 3/23/10.
 
meds: lunesta, prilosec otc, ,reglan,bentyl, ibuprofren,Ultracet, folic acid , b12 injections, zyrtec and benadryl.
 
Just added : folic acid supplement  1 mg a day for the next year and also b12 injections increased to once a month. pernicous anemia and  Folic acid anemia.


pappardelle
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   Posted 5/1/2010 5:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I have my gallbladder and when I have diarrhea almost everytime it's this yellow diarrhia all the Doc's I have talked about this have dismissed the idea that it's Gallbladder related, but I think it's more to do with my situation, so I am just confused. Sorry, if I'm not much help.

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   Posted 5/1/2010 9:23 PM (GMT -6)   
 
Inape ~ I would like to thank you for posting about the calcium carbonate. I am starting the third week using it and still getting adjusted, it seems to be working really well. I had my GB removed 9 years ago and have have the D problem since so guess I'm another one that not going to recover. I was told I had crohn's 6 years ago and put on meds that did not help, doctor just told me to take more. after 2 years I stopped taking them and went on Benifiber which worked well, better than the drugs but fiber blocks iron absorption which sent me into severe anemia that required iron transfusions, I recovered and kept taking the benifiber but kept a check on the blood levels. Last October saw a new GI doc and he suspected I had the bile salt problem and did another colonoscopy that confirmed that I did not have crohn's after all(well imagine that). He put me on Welchol that I thought was the sure cure and the best invention since chocolate. After 2 weeks on this drug I developed neck and shoulder pain that went up into my jaw, it was so bad I thought it was signs of a heart attack or stroke and went to my MD who said he thought it was a pulled muscle being the pain was on the right side and the EKG was fine.  Well the pain never went away even after I went to a chiropractor and by the time March rolled around I was having swelling and burning in my feet and hands and having problems getting up and down. I had a check up with my GI and asked him if the Welchol would cause this and he said no because it is not absorbed into the bloodstream.  First of April I started having shortness of breath and started researching Welchol which is a cholestrol drug and guess what I found
the side effects are the same as the sysmptons that I was having. I stopped taking them and getting better by the day.  I am going stay with your calcium carbonate but keep a check on the blood levels in case it blocks the asborption of something my body needs. I have learned the hard way theres no easy solution to our problem.  I know this is a long post but thanks again. Maybe this will help someboby.
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lnape
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   Posted 5/13/2010 8:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for writing. I do not get back here much but I am glad I did to see your post. I am so glad it is helping you and I have found all the meds doctors want you to take to help sometimes hurt. We have to be our own advocate when it comes to our health.

Linda
Suffered Urgent Diarrhea Attacks After Having Gall Bladder Removed in 1976. This is now controlled by taking Calcium Carbonate.


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   Posted 5/14/2010 12:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Just fyi, but IBS is a distint clinical entity that has VERY specific symptoms. For one pain or discomfort, but there are others.

Yoy can have IBS and gallbladder problems, especially because both are pretty common, but they are NOT the same conditions and a good doctor should be able to seperate the two issues.
I am not a doctor. All information I present is for educational purposes only and should not be subsituted for the advise of a qualified health care provider.

Please make sure you have your symptoms diagnosed by a medical practitioner or a doctor.

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