What could these symptoms be?

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andy28
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Date Joined Apr 2006
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   Posted 4/13/2006 6:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi
  Iv recently started noticing changes in the frequency of my bowl movements and afew other symptoms. Ill start at the beginning.
 
Im a weight trainer and i try to eat a high protein bodybuidling style diet, which consists of what many would consider very high protein consumption. Spread through out 6 meals per day including whey protein shakes and suppliments ect. At one point i was eating around 3500 to 4000kcals per day trying to gain weight and i was consuming large amounts of whay protein shakes as well as high protein meals, this is when i first noticed symptoms as follows: I started to get gas and need a bowl movement quite soon after drinking a protein shake, I also noticed a damp itchy anus that seemed to burn like acid from my stomach was leaking slightly. This got worse so i stopped the bulk diet and cut out the shakes ect for a while and it seemed to clear up for a while. A few months later i started consuming the protein supps again but not in as large amounts and the problem started to come back but not as bad. So i stopped them again thinking id developed an intolorance to them. But the symptoms seem to have persisted this time and i seem to need the toilet quite soon after a medium sized meal. This maybe 3 or 4 times per day, but its not diahorrea it seems to be more or less fully formed but soft stools. And i sometimes get the itchy burning anus afterwards.
 
its started to get me worried now as its not going away this 3 or 4 times per day movements after meals is not normal for me. So what do you think the symptoms could be? Im hopeing its something simple like lactose intolerance as i dont want to end up getting a camera ramed up my rear end!

Keriamon
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   Posted 4/13/2006 7:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Do you have any other symptoms besides soft and frequent stools?  Do you hurt any?  What color are your stools?  Do you have more gas or gas cramps?  Do your stools smell worse than they ought to (if you can't stand the smell of your own poop, then it stinks worse than it should).  Other side affects can all be indicators of what the source of your problem is.
 
I know after my gall bladder surgery that I could not digest red meat or pork.  I eventually got to where I could, after I adjusted, but it left me with an appreciation that protein can be hard to digest.   I don't know if protein shakes are as hard to digest as actual meat is, but it sounds like you're probably eating an increased amount of that too. 
 
So, from what I know so far, here's a theory: you changed your diet too radically too quickly and you upset your digestive tract, made it work harder, made it produce more bile (which can cause loose, yellowish stools that burn the anus) to digest the extra protein.  Bile can irritate the intestinal lining when there is too much of it.  Once it gets irritated, it can take a while to straighten back out. 
 
Calcium can not only help absorb excess bile and water in the intestines, it can also help soothe inflammation in the digestive tract.  If there's not a problem with you taking it, try one or two calcium pills a day.  The brand to use is Caltrate 600 w/ vitamin D because it has the right balance of magnesium and calcium (Inape has a whole long post on how it works and why) so that you get a little bit of a constipating effect.  Since your stools aren't very loose, you may want to start with just one pill a day.  If and when that starts making you constipated, cut it to 1/2, then stop taking it all together--the hope being that it will help your guts recover and you won't need to take it indefinitely. 
 
Once you get straightened out, you might want to reevaluate your body building plan and decide if you want to risk the protein again.  If you do decide to try it again, do it very gradually.  I would suggest you up your intake of meat by an ounce or two not more than once a week and then when you are constuming the amount of calories that you want, then slowly add in the shakes--again, a small increase no more than once a week.  If you start to notice problems, cut back and give yourself some time to adjust.  If you don't adjust, cut back some more, and so on.  If you adjust, try adding some back in again and see how you react.  It may just be that your guts aren't able to handle what you're asking of them; not everyone's guts are of equal fortitude.  Of course you could try and compensate and take calcium while taking a lot of protein to keep from having loose stools, but I personally wouldn't advise that.  No need to make your guts work hard if they don't really have to.  You don't want to mess them up and be like most of us here forever. 

andy28
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   Posted 4/14/2006 1:43 AM (GMT -7)   
There arnt really any other symptoms im not getting any pain or cramps, just the urge to go for a crap more often soon after meals, The smell does get quite bad sometimes yeah but it always has been like that when eating alot of protein. Another thing is I did'nt just suddenly start this bodybuilding diet i had been eating high protein and drinking protein and weight gainner shakes for 3 or 4 years before this occured, its just that I increased even more when i stated getting the symptoms it was when i had baught 25kg of whay protein powder in bulk off the net so i was really chugging it down in shakes mixed with peanut butter and oats to gain weight and size. Im sure it was that cheep bulk whay that started all the problems but like you say maybe it was a step to far for my guts and developed some kind of intolorance? The thing is tho red meats dont actually seem to be a problem neither does chicken. But im not eating high amounts of red meat because its so expensive in the uk.

Keriamon
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   Posted 4/14/2006 7:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Do any of your supplements, especially the new one you bought, have a lot of fiber in them? Since you're on a high protein diet, you'll need to get fiber somehow, but 1, fiber from pills and drinks seems to be harder on the guts than fiber from actual food and 2, a sudden increase in fiber can give you gas and/or loose stools.

Mmm... you make me miss good Irish beef. Used to get some at this certain grocery store, hamburger meat (mincemeat), and when I fried it up I couldn't pour a drop of grease off it. Best steak I ever had, I had over in Bunratty. Yum, yum. I've heard tell it's because of the grass and the limestone out in the Burren area. Much better than our grain-fed, super fat cows in the U.S.
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