Herbal Treatment for D and IBS

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   Posted 5/22/2006 6:59 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey all,

I've had D for years.. and although i'm not diagnosed with IBS, i've constantly had D or loose stools for many months. At the peak of it, this year.. i've often found relief using herbal treatments.

I'm of asian chinese/vietnamese heritage, so i heard about all this through my dad.

The vietnamese use Pure Ginger tea as a remedy for D - i've tried it and it might be placebo effect but it does feel like my stomach is more settled.

The chinese use Po Chi pills. A tube of tiny little herbal balls, that you swallow completely. This in the past has ALWAYS done the trick for occasional D, but not for constant D. There is another chinese pill similar to Po Chi but i can't remember it's name.

The japanese use Seirogan pills. These are smelly little balls. They definately work for me, but they work too well. It gives me constipation for about 3 days. So lately i'm on half dosage. Also i've been getting my appetite back on it. There are some clinical trials around Seirogan, and it does work yet they do not know the mechanisms of how it works. I wrote a wikipedia article about it once but it seems to have disappeared. Seirogan was used for over a hundred years ago by japanese soldiers against the russians.. i think it literally means "beat the russians" pill, where the biggest single cause of soldier death at the time was D - it worked well and the japanese army forced soldiers to have it three times a day (same dosage as today)

I went to herbal remedies because normal course of Imodium, Kaopectate etc no longer worked for me.

Also if you plan to use herbal remedies they are NOT to be used in conjunction with conventional treatment (i.e. imodium etc) - but you can have more than one herbal treatment at one time.. e.g. ginger tea and seirogan together.

Anyhow, thought i'd put this all down on a forum so other ppl might find benefit in them.

Cheers all.

*edited header - to make this clearer.

Post Edited (Yowie) : 5/24/2006 11:51:16 PM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 5/24/2006 11:37 PM (GMT -6)   
where do u get this ?? i suppose I could do a search anf find some right ??
Thats how I feel now, the imodium is losing helpfull power of fighting back the runs. .
I've been wanting to find herbal supp., as most of the time they work better than script drugs but doctors cant tell you about them, I believe cause of the FDA laws .

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   Posted 5/24/2006 11:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Imodium and Kaopectate no longer do anything for me either. It was fine for the first couple of weeks, now it's lost it's effect completely.

Anyhow... Po Chi pills you find in nearly any chinatown grocery, it's a *very* popular anti-diahorreal medicine the chinese use. It's also used for vomitting, over-eating (bloating), and a few other things like alcohol poisoning.

Seirogan is japanese, but you can find it in some chinatown groceries... you can also get it online. That's where i found alot of my information about seirogan, because i had never heard of it prior to my dad introducing it to me.

pure ginger tea.. also one of those obscure ones, but if you couldn't find it at a grocery store, then a chinese herbalist/acupuncturist can find it for you.

If you like i can take some pictures of the packaging for these things so you know what to look out for.

In terms of pricing, all the above are around the $10usd mark.. seirogan i think i bought for $14aussie. There's probably a couple weeks supply in a pack.

There a few other herbal remedies.. some based off po-chi pills, they go under different names. But i'm not sure how they differ in composition, obviously there's still heaps more research i have to do about herbal medicines.

*edit, just did a google on seirogan, straight off the bat there's heaps of places selling it online. Get the sugar coated if you can, it doesn't leave you with bad breath afterwards. Also a bit more info on seirogan

SEIROGAN TOI-A (Sugar Coated Tablet ) is effective against diarrhea and other common ailments of the digestive system. Coated SEIROGAN A is mainly composed of creosote (wood creosote) with an effective blend of powdered Germanium nepalense and dried extract of Phellodendron bark, which creates an anti-diarrhea medicine with potent curative properties. The effects of creosote (wood creosote), the main ingredient, are scientifically proven.

Let me know if any of this helps you, i'll be interested in seeing if anyone finds relief.

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   Posted 5/25/2006 12:49 AM (GMT -6)   
Some interesting findings about Seirogan and Stress-Induced Diahorrea?



Seirogan (wood creosote) inhibits stress-induced ion secretion in rat intestinal epithelium.

Ataka K, Kuge T, Venkova K, Greenwood-Van Meerveld B.

Oklahoma Foundation for Digestive Research Basic Science Labs, VA Medical Center, 921 NE 13th St., Oklahoma City, Oklahoma 73104, USA.

Acute stress in often associated with abnormalities in gastrointestinal function, including enhanced secretion of water and electrolytes that leads to diarrhea. The goal of our study was to investigate whether Seirogan inhibits stress-induced intestinal secretion in Wistar-Kyoto rats. Electrogenic ion secretion was measured in modified Ussing chambers as an increase in basal short-circuit current (Isc) across isolated rat jejunal or colonic mucosal sheets. Mucosal preparations from rats exposed to cold restraint stress showed a significant increase in basal Isc compared to controls. The cumulative addition of Seirogan to the Ussing chamber caused a concentration-dependent reduction of the stress-induced increase of basal Isc to levels resembling nonstressed controls. In a separate experiment, Seirogan (15 mg/kg) administered by oral gavage inhibited stress-induced secretion and normalized basal Isc in the jejunum and colon. The results suggest that Seirogan may be an effective therapy for patients with stress-associated diarrhea.

Publication Types:

* Evaluation Studies

PMID: 12870787 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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   Posted 5/25/2006 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Very interesting. Of course people have to be careful of snake-oil types of herbs that claim more than they can cure, but the fact that this one has been used effectively for years and years is a good sign. Also, I'd have a tendency to trust something Chinese people said cures their diarrhea, since emerging countries like China certainly have a lot more cases of diarrhea than we do here in the West. Japan too before WWII. Because diarrhea is dangerous, I doubt people would be taking a medicine that didn't work; when you're suffering dehydration, there's no time for things that don't work.

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   Posted 5/25/2006 10:14 AM (GMT -6)   
Well i've just popped 3 seirogans just for curiosity. I've been having D + loose stools all week, so if i get constipated for the next couple of days i'll let you know. Tell you what though, these non-sugar seirogan pills reak.. i popped one an hour ago, and i can still smell it on my breath.

During my research into seirogan, it showed that the electrical signals which can cause diahorrea were inhibited and that seirogan does contain a mild antibiotic. (do a google, it appeared in a medical journal) i'll try to dig it up again.

Anyhow. Herbal therapy isn't all snake oil stuff, the reason it doesn't get pushed as much in the western world is because there are no big name companies like Roche etc marketing and developing it.

*edit : here are some medical articles about seirogan if you have time, go have a read.

1. Cook GC. Diarrhea disease: a worldwide problem. J Royal Soc Med 1998;91:192-4.
2. Guerrant RL, Moore RA, Kirschenfeld P, Sande M. Role of toxigenic and invasive bacteria in acute diarrhea of childhood. N Engl J Med 1975;293:567-72.
3. Richards L, Claeson M, Pierce NF. Management of acute diarrhea in children: lessons learned. Pediatr Infect Dis J 1993;12:5-9.
4. Garthwright WE, Archer DL, Kvenberg JE. Estimates of incidence and cost of intestinal infectious diseases in the United States. Public Health Rep 1988;103:107-15.
5. Steffen R. Epidemiologic studies of travelers' diarrhea, severe gastrointestinal infections, and cholera. Rev Infect Dis 1986;8(suppl 2):122-30.
6. Ryan ET, Kain KC. Health advice and immunizations for travelers. N Engl J Med 2000;342:1716-25.
7. Guerrant RL, Bobak DA. Nausea, vomiting, and noninflammatory diarrhea. In: Mandell GL, Bennett JE, Dolin R, eds. Principles and practice of infectious diseases. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1995:965-73.
8. Fine KD, Krejs GJ, Fortran JS. Diarrhea. In: Sleisenger MH, Fortran JS, eds. Gastrointestinal disease: pathophysiology, diagnosis, management. Philadelphia: WB Saunders, 1998:1043-72.
9. Anonymous. Physicians' desk reference. 54th ed. Montvale, NJ: Medical Economics Company, 2000:2923-4.
10. Gattuso JM, Kamm MA. Adverse effects of drugs used in the management of constipation and diarrhoea. Drug Saf 1994;10:47-65.
11. Haller JS. Creosote: a short history of its medicinal uses. Conn Med 1990;54:502-7.
12. Ogata N, Baba T. Analysis of beech wood creosote by gas chromatography-mass spectrometry and high performance liquid chromatography. Res Commun Chem Pathol Pharmacol 1989;66:411-23.
13. Kuge T, Shibata T, Willett MS, Turck P, Traul KA. Lack of oncogenicity of wood creosote, the principal active ingredient of Seirogan, an herbal antidiarrheal medication, in Sprague-Dawley rats. Int J Toxicol 2001;20:297-305.
14. Greenwood-Van Meerveld B, Tyler K, Kuge T, Ogata N. Anti-diarrhoeal effects of Seirogan in the rat small intestine and colon examined in vitro. Aliment Pharmacol Ther 1999;13:97-102.
15. Greenwood-Van Meerveld B, Tyler KR, Venkova K, Kuge, T. Comparison of the antidiarrheal effects of wood creosote and loperamide in the rat jejunum and colon in vitro. Biol Pharm Bull 2000;23:952-6.
16. Ogata N, Shibata T. Antidiarrheal activity of wood creosote: inhibition of muscle contraction and enterotoxin-induced fluid secretion in rabbit small intestine. Pharmacology 2001;62:181-7.
17. Taiko Pharmaceutical Company, Ltd. Seirogen product labeling. Osaka, Japan; 2000.
18. Taiko Pharmaceutical Company, Ltd. Data on file. Osaka, Japan; 2002.
19. Kuge T, Shibata T, Willett MS. Multiple dose escalation, safety and tolerability study of wood creosote, the principal active ingredient of Seirogan, an herbal antidiarrheal medication, in healthy subjects. J Clin Pharmacol 2003;43:284-90.
20. Ogata N, Matsushima N, Shibata T. Pharmacokinetics of wood creosote: glucuronic acid and sulfate conjugation of phenolic compounds. Pharmacology 1995;51:195-204.

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   Posted 6/5/2006 9:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey guys,

Results.... Was taking Seirogan 3 times a day, to get me over the D. Now on the gastroenterologists' advice i'm slowly weeding myself off of it, and increasing my fibre intake. Now i wouldn't say i'm 100% back to normal, but i'm now loose rather than D, and the urgency has decreased.

Hopefully it'll stay like this for a while again, or i'll be visiting mr seirogan again.

Cheers all

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   Posted 8/20/2008 6:14 AM (GMT -6)   
There are some treatments for the IBS-Irritable Bowel Syndrome.Traditional Chinese Medicine(TCM),which uses acupuncture and Chinese therapies,has been reported to be helpful in the treatment of IBS.Every one should careful about their health .

Post Edited By Moderator (7Lil) : 5/3/2009 10:36:09 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 8/20/2008 6:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I myself am leary about herbal ideas. Peppermint tea - yes, doesn't seem harmful. But swallowing pills, I don't know....you can really do damage to your other organs if you're not careful.

Personally, I prefer eating foods that limit my D and encourage formed stool, not loose bm's. And avoid the ones that I know will bring on a raging case of D. A preemptive strike if you will.

But what do I know..........I'm still such a novice at this, after 9 years but I'm also not willing to just pop any pill in my mouth either, because someone says it's a cure-all for IBS.

If there's one thing I've learned along this strange IBS path, is that there isn't one approach - diet, meds - that seems to work for all of us. We each have to figure out what upsets our GI tract, to the best of our ability and then change our eating habits (relieving stress too is one of my big components).

I do wish anyone well who wants to try the herbal route. More power to you. I just know I'm in that skeptical camp.


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   Posted 5/2/2009 1:31 AM (GMT -6)   
The initiative taken for the concern is very serious and needs an attention of everyone. This is the concern which exists in the society and needs to be eliminated from the society as soon as possible


Post Edited By Moderator (7Lil) : 5/3/2009 10:36:29 AM (GMT-6)

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   Posted 2/23/2013 12:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't know whether this thread is still somehow active, but just discovered both this forum and Seirogan.

Seirogan works fine for me for IBS but I only tested for about 1 week. My question is: is it safe to use it on longer periods, say 1 month? I mean, I don't think it *cures* the disease but just brings some relief for the period of time that is taken. What happens if D starts again after this period?
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