Gall Bladder Problem or IBS - You Decide

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dragons304
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   Posted 5/18/2007 8:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, I'm a 22 year old male and I weight 160Ibs.  For the past 5 years I have had stomach problems which range from feeling sick to my stomach to diarrhea, gas and cramps.  I didn't have any of these symptoms when I was in Jr. High or earlier.  Sometimes I just feel sick to my stomach with no diarrhea.  In other words one day I could go to the restroom once and another day may be up to 5 times.  It doesn't really matter what kinds of food I eat, it’s different every time.  Usually 20mins after I eat I have to use the restroom.  Not to be toooo graphic but, the stool is partial diarrhea and yellow in color.

 

I have had a HIDA scan done with a 27% Injection Fraction of the gall bladder.  One doctor claims that this is not the problem but blames IBS-D and another doctor claims that the gall bladder should be removed because this is causing the upset stomach, diarrhea (yellow), gas, and cramps.

 

Do you think this is a gall bladder problem or IBS related?  Questions?  Please respond!

Post Edited (dragons304) : 5/20/2007 3:23:01 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 5/20/2007 8:02 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi dragons304.
Welcome to HealingWell! :-)
Sorry this has been overlooked for a couple days....
I don't know much about gall bladders, but I do know that a normal ejection fraction range is 35-75%. Yours at 27% is a bit low. Have you spoken to a surgeon? I would think that should be your next step, to see what s/he thinks.
Have you been keeping a food diary to see what foods cause you problems? You might (maybe not) be able to control your symptoms by keeping to a low fat diet. Either way, I think you should seek a tie-breaker opinion.


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dragons304
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   Posted 5/21/2007 12:47 AM (GMT -6)   
I have spoken to a surgeon.  Actually two of them, the first said that I have IBS-D (Which I never had symptoms of when I was in Jr. High or earlier).  The other surgeon I went and seen said that all of the symptoms that I have been having are related to the faulty gall bladder operating at 27%.  The latter wants to remove the gall bladder, but I have heard of others having went through the same procedure and coming out with the same problem or even with worser symptoms.  Food diary doesn't do any good, because my symptoms seem to come and go.  Doesn't really matter what the food choice is of the day ...... just happens.  I'm thinking that is why it is a gall bladder problem over an IBS issue.  Wouldn't you agree?   So Im thinking I will probably go to another surgeon and see what he/she thinks as well!

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   Posted 5/21/2007 11:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I think you do probably have a bad gall bladder. You not only have all the syptoms (although they are almost always the same symptoms as IBS, but the fact that they fall into a certain pattern is supicious of gall bladder), but as Lil pointed out, your Hida scan result would seem to indicate a problem. They're not always accurate, so you could actually be worse than it showed. I had to have three before mine finally showed up as not functioning correctly. Took five years.

You can try to lessen your symptoms with very low fat and no caffeine (major trigger for me), but gall bladders don't heal themselves, so you're going to be stuck with a bad gall bladder forever. It's up to you to decide if it's bothering you enough to get it taken out. You may find that with a careful diet, it only bothers you occasionally, and that you can live with that (and never eating pizza again). In my experience, they will gradually get worse over time, so you are probably only buying yourself time with the diet modification, but how much time is completely random. When I finally discovered that caffeine was my biggest trigger, I lived fairly decently for a number of months before I got bad again. But this was after already having a bad gall bladder 4 years; if I had modified my diet earlier on, I might have made it longer or not been so bad in the meantime.

You are right about having problems after surgery. The vast majority of people experience at least random diarrhea and/or heartburn issues. A lot of people experience those things rather frequently. I have to take Welchol and calcium supplements everyday to keep from having bile diarrhea (the bile is what turns your poop yellow and makes it burn). But because of the Welchol, I don't have very many D problems and am a lot better off than most people on these boards. But, more importantly, I'm much better off than I was before. I was having severe, painful attacks once a month or more, plus a lot of diarrhea and nausea, etc. I was so bad off, I never questioned having it removed; I got it out the week after my hida scan; I pratically ran to a surgeon! Now I don't have pain and because of the Welchol, my rate of D is much, much less. I almost never have any sort of nausea or reflux, although I have started getting heartburn and reflux with spaghetti sauce. I also can no longer tolerate apples or any fruit juices, just like people with IBS. But I can eat salads and vegetables and meat other than chicken and a lot of things that IBSers can't eat. I have a diet fairly normal in terms of fats, although I have to avoid deep-fried foods; can't handle the partially-hydrogenated trans fat junk. I also still can't have caffine, expect the small amounts in chocolate and green tea. But, all in all, I feel I'm better than I was when what I ate made me sick at random; at least now I know what I cna and can't have.

Like I said, you'll have to decide if you're bad enough off now to warrant taking the GB out. People who had it real bad before having their taken out always feel that the surgery is a God-send. People who didn't have symptoms much at all beforehand feel that they got a raw deal since their symptoms afterwards are often worse. But, like I said, they don't get better on their own and they tend to gradually get worse, so it's up to you.

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   Posted 5/23/2007 10:20 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello,  Well I had IBS or so they said for the past 15 years..  The found after years of surgeries and testing that my gallbladder was bad.. My refraction os 23.. They took it out in Novemeber along with my appendix.. Guess what... I am better.. Not perfect but better.. I know longer get the middle of the night stomach attacks that last hours.. No er visits for a year.. I was going at least 3 times a year for 5 years.. I would suggest get it out!!  It was making me really sick.. I am on the slow road to recovery.. I still have IBS but not the attacks where I felt like death.. Hope you feel better.. Take Care..

Ryleigh


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   Posted 5/24/2007 10:47 AM (GMT -6)   

Hello,

For the longest time I kept thinking it was IBS and was even taking meds for it.  But the synptoms just kept getting worse.  I started having pain (gallblader/stomach attack) in my chest and I even thought I was going to die a few times, especially in the middle of the night.

Mine was functioning only at 17% by the time I decided to get it checked out.  Even after I knew this, it took me 6 months to calm myself down enough to get the surgery.  I've had it removed about 4 1/2yrs now.  I do have occasional discomforts, but I am doing much better than before the surgery.

I waited long to have my gallbladder removed, but the longer you wait the worse your symptoms will feel.

I would avoid foods/drinks that have caffeine, acid/citrus rich foods, high salt foods, high fats/oily foods and more, these tend to aggrevate your digestive system.


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   Posted 5/25/2007 9:31 AM (GMT -6)   
It sounds like you may have some blockage in a bile duct. A liver/gall bladder flush would probably help. A doctor is apt to suggest you go under the knife , but then again, he/she has no vested interest in grapefruit juice and pure extra virgin organic olive oil.

I'd suggest speaking to people who have done this simple one day flush. I've done a couple myself. Trust me when I say that we all have stones, but they simply harden at different rates. They begin as balls of colesterol. On my first flush, I got out about 50. My second, I got about 80, mostly the size of green peas.

You feel fantastic, afterwards !

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   Posted 5/28/2007 8:03 PM (GMT -6)   
 
I've been diagnosed with IBS for the last 8 yrs.  Approx 2 months ago I had pin point pains on one rib on the lower right side of my rid cage. I did some research and reading on various web sites and read several posts and thought I might have a gallbladder problem.
Then about a month - 6 weeks ago my MD diagnosed me with GERD. Last week I saw a GI Dr. and was scheduled for an upper Endoscopy in late July.
Today, I've been reading all day on this site and I've just finished reading all the posts on this thread. I have all/most the symptoms posted here for a gallbladder problem. Can any one tell me what tests I should ask my Dr. about having done so I can find out if this is IBS, GERD or my gallbladder? At this point I'm fairly confused as to what to eat or not to eat as the foods that are OK and good for the IBS problem are, in many cases, opposite what you can eat for GERD (peppermint in particular). Also, I had read on one site a gallbladder flush that was quite helpful involved taking organic apple juice as it helped dissolve stones, yet I gather from other posts here, that this is not a good idea. Does anyone have any thoughts or advise?

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   Posted 5/28/2007 10:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi topics... I am probably the worse to tell you anything about gallbladders as the only experience I had with them was through my husband as he had his removed because of stones. Most people with gb problems indicate a pain on the right side under the ribs, I'm not sure if anyone has had the pain on the left side but you never know, pain likes to radiate. Possible tests for gb problems are hidascan to test for function problems and ultrasound can test for stones. There are a few members here that have either bad gallbladders or no gallbladders and could probably give you some good info. I know there is a good thread called the definite guide to gallbladder but I'm not sure where it is. I will try and look for it for you. Lil, the other mod has it saved so if I don't locate it, she will bump it up for you.

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   Posted 5/29/2007 1:05 AM (GMT -6)   
 
I've also bumped it.
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   Posted 5/29/2007 8:48 AM (GMT -6)   
7Lil and dbab thanks very much for the link. dbab thanks also for the email info!

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   Posted 5/29/2007 2:30 PM (GMT -6)   
Topics, I don't know if the "gall bladder flushes" work on people with stones or not, but I will warn you of this: if you have IBS, not a gall bladder problem, the apple juice will kill you.  Not literally, of course, but the gas, diarrhea, bloating, etc. will be horrible.  No one with IBS can have apple juice. 
 
My gall bladder was just not functioning; there were no stones, so a flush wouldn't have helped me anyways.  Sludge and a deformed gall bladder are the other two non-stone causes for a bad gall bladder. 

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   Posted 5/31/2007 10:45 AM (GMT -6)   
If the cholesterol count is high, then stones are more likely. "Stones" as diganosed by doctors, are usually quite hard and at the point that they may require surgical intervention.

When they are softer and not diagnosed as "stones", they are very easy to deal with, based on my experience and the experience of many. Knowing that most everyone has these "soft stones" is a beginning to a greater understanding. Once you try a flush, it will reveal much to you, particularly about the business of medicine.

I do knoww some people who are actually afraid of olive oil and grapefruit juice, however. They'd rather go under a knife.

If you google the "gall blader/Liver flush" by Dr. Hulda Clark, the info you get may help you. It's good to be informed. Why suffer ? My mask the issue ?
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2Hawaii
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   Posted 6/1/2007 5:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi, thanks for the reply.BTW about 4 months ago, I drank apple juice and it didn't cause me any problems, but last week when I saw a new GI Dr/ she said I do have IBS, but she going to do an Upper Endoscopy and a Colonoscopy to see what she can track down, since I also have GERD. Maybe I have, GERD, IBS and a gallbladder problem. :(..Oh that would be  hard to figure out how to cure all those naturally, since you can do one tihing for one problem, but that same thing would be bad to do for another problem. I hope I dont' have all 3, but I'm beginning to think that's whats going on.  
How would I know if have either sludge or a deformed glass bladder?
Last year I had a scan done and it didn't show any stones in the liver or kidneys, but on the other hand I do have some of the symptoms of gallbladder problems, that were posted here. When I have a PM it's yellow, like liver bile and it burns like crazy. Thank goodness for Charmin TP and a sink close by with cold water! Is there any think else that you can think of that would cause these symptoms other than a problem with my liver.
thanks again, for your reply
 
 
Keriamon said...
Topics, I don't know if the "gall bladder flushes" work on people with stones or not, but I will warn you of this: if you have IBS, not a gall bladder problem, the apple juice will kill you.  Not literally, of course, but the gas, diarrhea, bloating, etc. will be horrible.  No one with IBS can have apple juice. 
 
My gall bladder was just not functioning; there were no stones, so a flush wouldn't have helped me anyways.  Sludge and a deformed gall bladder are the other two non-stone causes for a bad gall bladder. 

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   Posted 6/1/2007 6:10 PM (GMT -6)   
7Lil

Thanks for the link to the gall bladder guide. It answers all the questions I have so far.

Keriamon ..I found the answers to my questions. I'm going to give apple juice another try on Sunday and see how it goes.

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   Posted 6/2/2007 7:54 AM (GMT -6)   
Don't expect a scan to show your "stones". They will only show up when they've achieved a specific density and that's a little too late, quite often. That's the point when Dr.'s can "zoom in" with the fear method. Marketing is all. Ever know of any business that didn't have a marketing strategy ???

Just because "stones" are soft , it doesn't mean that they can't block the bile duct, causing symptoms and yellow stool. Do the liver/gall bladder flush research. If you decide to do the flush , be sure to do the parasite cleanse first, as suggested by Dr. Clark. Trust me, you have parasites, as most of us do. Another hidden gem because they are not that difficult to deal with, but left unchallenged, they lead to all kinds of issues that lead to all kinds of $$$. Cha-ching .....cha-ching ...... cha-ching ........ are you getting the picture ?

The alternative may come to going under the knife ....... very needlessly. Then , of course, the body cavity has been opened , which can lead to other issues, etc., etc., etc .....
It ain't what you don't know that's bothering me ....... it's "what you know for sure".


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   Posted 6/2/2007 12:01 PM (GMT -6)   
 

therooster, thanks for the info.

I apologize in advance for the long post and all the questions, but I've got lots of questions after being diagnosed with IBS and have diarrhea almost nonstop 24 hrs a day, 7 days a week, for the last 8 years and now just discovering that my problem might have been a bad gall bladder all along. Over the last 8 years, I have been homebound as going out anywhere has been impossible, so now, thanks to all of you who have been so kind to post and share your personal experience, hopefully, I can now look forward to living a normal life, someday.

Last week my regular MD did parasite test and didn't find anything. I was going to do the liver flush about 2 months ago when this last attack happened which my MD says is GERD, but after reading on here, I'm wondering if my problem might really be a bad sludge type of gall bladder, since my continual diarrhea (4-8 times a day, every day) has that yellow sand like consistency and the typical burning.

Also after reading all the post on here, I do have some questions, so if anyone knows, please do post a reply.

So my questions are:

1] I had read on the net to soften gall bladder stones, take organic apple juice as that would soften them up and make them easier to pass. Do you know if apple juice will remove the sludge from the gall bladder?

2] If I do have IBS, GERD, and a sludge type gall bladder problem, will taking a natural parasite cleansing program for a week or so, work and get rid of any parasites?

3] If I do have IBS, GERD, and a sludgy gall bladder, will taking a natural parasite cleansing program for a week or so, cause me any additional pain (from the parasite cleans working)?

4] The new GI Dr I saw last week gave me some samples of various fiber bulking laxative products including citrucle, metamucil, and fiber sure, to take daily. I gather the idea is to help clean the colon to slow down the diarrhea. I'm a little afraid to take them as the warning on the packages are rather scary. Has any one had any problems with these products?

5] Does any one know if taking these bulking laxatives have helped anyone with diarrhea that caused by a sludgy gall bladder?

6] I have read most of the posts on here about gall bladder and if I understood them correctly, for any gall bladder problem to show up on a hida scan, the gall bladder has to be acting up. My question is what exactly does acting up mean? For example, does diarrhea classify as "acting up" and something that will show up on the hida scan or does there need to be something else happening?

7] Keriamon I'm allergic to shell fish, which is what I've heard is used as the radioactive element ( like is used in the hida scan), so do you know if they have something else they can use in place of iodine or shell fish, so that I can still have the hida scan done?

8] I gather from reading the posts that when some people had hida scans scheduled, they caused themselves gall bladder pain so that the problem would show up on a hida scan. My question is: since I'm new to learning about the gall bladder and that it might be the source of my problems, but I'm not yet certain what does cause the liver bile to really flow, then what do I eat or take to cause the liver to act up and the bile to flow, so that it will show up on a hida scan?

 9] If I only have this sandy sludge in my gall bladder, will this sludge type of gall bladder show the sludge on a hida scan?

10] Last night was not a good night and while I slept, I didn't wake up and had an "accident"..the 1st in well over a yr. Thank goodness I sleep alone, so other than being embarrassed and have lots of laundry to do this am, and some slightly uncomfortable lower intestinal pain I'm fine...I think. What I'd like to know is, can I expect this sort of "accident" to happen more frequently?

11] For those of you who have had your gall bladder removed, I gather from reading the posts that most people have diarrhea after the operation. My question is typically for how long does a person have diarrhea?

12] Keriamon was it you that posted that some people who've not have really bad pain with their gall bladder and have the operation and have it removed feel they are worse off? If it was you, can you tell me how they felt worse? I'd like to know what I'm in for.

I am ever so grateful to all of you how are brave enough to share your experiences and to post them to help all the rest of us. You all have been great help and for the 1st time in over 8yrs I feel like I might just have a good chance of getting a handle on this diarrhea problem and a chance for a normal life! Needless to say, both my husband and would be thrilled to have a normal marriage once again!

 

 
therooster said...
Don't expect a scan to show your "stones". They will only show up when they've achieved a specific density and that's a little too late, quite often. That's the point when Dr.'s can "zoom in" with the fear method. Marketing is all. Ever know of any business that didn't have a marketing strategy ???

Just because "stones" are soft , it doesn't mean that they can't block the bile duct, causing symptoms and yellow stool. Do the liver/gall bladder flush research. If you decide to do the flush , be sure to do the parasite cleanse first, as suggested by Dr. Clark. Trust me, you have parasites, as most of us do. Another hidden gem because they are not that difficult to deal with, but left unchallenged, they lead to all kinds of issues that lead to all kinds of $$$. Cha-ching .....cha-ching ...... cha-ching ........ are you getting the picture ?

The alternative may come to going under the knife ....... very needlessly. Then , of course, the body cavity has been opened , which can lead to other issues, etc., etc., etc .....


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   Posted 6/2/2007 6:14 PM (GMT -6)   
I was diagonosed with IBS-C about 5 months after emergency gallbladder removal.  No gallbladder symptoms in advance, and no IBS until after gallbladder removal.?????????

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   Posted 6/4/2007 11:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Excuse me but I'm not all that familiar with the technical operation of this site's features.
I have answered each question as best I can , underneath each itemization.

First off, I don't know anyone who's ever had parasites diagnosed by a doctor. None !!!

1] I had read on the net to soften gall bladder stones, take organic apple juice as that would soften them up and make them easier to pass. Do you know if apple juice will remove the sludge from the gall bladder?

Organic apple juice/cider is excellent. The malic acid is the key to the stone softening. The pectin is very useful too, as pectin will bind to some heavy metals. You will move whatever is moveable in terms of what's physically passable, including the sludge. You should consider the Epsom Salts in your approach. They dilate the bile duct to make passage easier.

2] If I do have IBS, GERD, and a sludge type gall bladder problem, will taking a natural parasite cleansing program for a week or so, work and get rid of any parasites?

Do a 30 day program so that it's easier on you. There's no need to rush. I've used and recommend HumaWorm, which you can find at humaworm.com Your real goal is flushing, probably once every 2 weeks until you feel satisfied. You could have thousands of stones. This is not uncommon.

3] If I do have IBS, GERD, and a sludgy gall bladder, will taking a natural parasite cleansing program for a week or so, cause me any additional pain (from the parasite cleans working)?

I doubt it, but this is why your should consider a 30 day program. The main concern is the "die-off" from the dead microbes. They provide their own form of toxicity, although temporary, until the body eliminates them. Elimination is vital and your elimination efficiency is a primal issue. If the toxicity from die off is greater than your ability to eliminate, just back off and go slower or even stop. Lots of water !

4] The new GI Dr I saw last week gave me some samples of various fiber bulking laxative products including citrucle, metamucil, and fiber sure, to take daily. I gather the idea is to help clean the colon to slow down the diarrhea. I'm a little afraid to take them as the warning on the packages are rather scary. Has any one had any problems with these products?

I'd stick to fibre and pass on the laxatives. People can become dependent. Stimulating your own regularity is often trial and error and what works well for one , may not for another.

5] Does any one know if taking these bulking laxatives have helped anyone with diarrhea that caused by a sludgy gall bladder?

No sure about that one. I don't think of a bulking agent as something other than an aid in moving waste in the intestinal tract.

6] I have read most of the posts on here about gall bladder and if I understood them correctly, for any gall bladder problem to show up on a hida scan, the gall bladder has to be acting up. My question is what exactly does acting up mean? For example, does diarrhea classify as "acting up" and something that will show up on the hida scan or does there need to be something else happening?

I don't know. What I know is that anyone can do a liver/gall bladder flush. You don't have to be sick or suffer from a condition. I think of it as a health care procedure , not a sickness care issue, necessarily.

7] Keriamon I'm allergic to shell fish, which is what I've heard is used as the radioactive element ( like is used in the hida scan), so do you know if they have something else they can use in place of iodine or shell fish, so that I can still have the hida scan done?

8] I gather from reading the posts that when some people had hida scans scheduled, they caused themselves gall bladder pain so that the problem would show up on a hida scan. My question is: since I'm new to learning about the gall bladder and that it might be the source of my problems, but I'm not yet certain what does cause the liver bile to really flow, then what do I eat or take to cause the liver to act up and the bile to flow, so that it will show up on a hida scan?

Fats will stimulate the bile flow. This is why you avoid fat for a while before doing a flush. It allows some pressure to build up.

9] If I only have this sandy sludge in my gall bladder, will this sludge type of gall bladder show the sludge on a hida scan?

I doubt it. Stones usually don't even show up.

10] Last night was not a good night and while I slept, I didn't wake up and had an "accident"..the 1st in well over a yr. Thank goodness I sleep alone, so other than being embarrassed and have lots of laundry to do this am, and some slightly uncomfortable lower intestinal pain I'm fine...I think. What I'd like to know is, can I expect this sort of "accident" to happen more frequently?

Less frequently if you clean out. Think proactively.

11] For those of you who have had your gall bladder removed, I gather from reading the posts that most people have diarrhea after the operation. My question is typically for how long does a person have diarrhea?

12] Keriamon was it you that posted that some people who've not have really bad pain with their gall bladder and have the operation and have it removed feel they are worse off? If it was you, can you tell me how they felt worse? I'd like to know what I'm in for
It ain't what you don't know that's bothering me ....... it's "what you know for sure".


2Hawaii
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   Posted 6/13/2007 8:33 PM (GMT -6)   
therooster-- thanks very much. The IBS diarrhea problem improved greatly over the last week, so we'll see what happens next. I did take the organic apple juice for 3 days last week, so maybe it's helping, but I'm also doing a number of other things, so I can't be sure which is reallyl helping, but I'm just glad the problem is better, even if just for now!
Would you please take a look at my new post on vitamins and tell me what you think? The main question is..can vitamins get too hot and does heat ruin their nutritional value? thanks

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   Posted 6/14/2007 1:41 PM (GMT -6)   
I'll answer the questions that I know something about:

2) I don't know what the parasite medicines is about, but it won't fix your gall bladder, which sounds like the source of your D. Of course, nothing says you can't have two things wrong with you at once, and I doubt the medicine will make you GB worse. The only thing you probably stand to lose by trying is money.

4) Isoluable fiber adds bulk to loose stools. Adding fiber in may help absorb a bit of the bile so you have less watery stools. Personally, I've found that fiber supplements make me worse (whether I have C or D), but there are some people on here who SWEAR by them. The only way you'll know is to try them--ONE at a time. A lot of people have found that they respond really well to one product, not well or not at all to another product, and negatively to some other product, so you will need to try each in turn. The most common side effect is gas cramps and flatulence, although you can get constipated, or you can have worse D.

5) The fiber may help keep you from having bile D, but it will not repair the gall bladder. One problem with bad gall bladders is that they tend to get worse, and, more likely than not, you will end up hurting, nauseated, vomiting, etc., in addition to having D, and the fiber obviously won't help any of those symptoms. But, if you want to avoid surgery for even a little while, this might help.

6) If you are having constant D problems, then yes, your gall bladder is probably acting up enough, right now, to show up as bad on a hida scan. My problem was that sometimes mine would work and sometimes it wouldn't and it took three hida scans before it got caught in the act.

7) All doctors and hospitals will ask you if you are allergic to anything before injecting you with anything, but to be on the safe side, when your doctor is prescribing the test, let him know that you are definitely allergic to shellfish. This will allow the nuclear medicine tech to order something that will not cause a reaction in you (although also double-check at the time of the test, before they inject you, that it's not from shellfish). I'm quite sure they have something that will work and not contain shellfish; my stepdad was a nuclear medicine tech and there were all sorts of things he could order.

8) Everyone's trigger food is a little bit different, but the biggest usual culprits are caffiene, grease, and high-fat food. So get a 32oz coke and a 2-piece fried chicken meal from KFC, and have ice cream for dessert, and that ought to do you. Pizza also usually works, especially Pizza Hut and other places like that (I have found the frozen ones cooked-at-home are much more tolerable). Of course, this also gives you an idea of the things to stay away from to keep from making your D worse.

9) Maybe yes, maybe no. Slude can sometimes be seen on an ultrasound, but not always. Depends on its thickness, your body density, the qaulity of the camera and the quality of the technician operating it. My stepmother did have her sludge found this way. Hida scans test the function of the gall bladder, not what's causing it to be bad. If the sludge is interferring with the operation of your gall bladder, then the hida scan will reflect that. After you have it taken out, they will analyze it to figure out what was wrong with it, which is how some people find out they had sludge. Mine was just chronically inflamed: reason unknown.

10) I can't say about your having more accidents. My GB always woke me up in horrendous pain long before I had a bowel movement, so there was no question of having an accident in bed. I guess it all depends on how heavy you sleep and how bad the D is.

11) Depends on the person. My mother doesn't have D, but she has GERD. Me, without keeping to a very low fat diet, I can have diarrhea most any day, and my GB has been out 4 years and a bit now. I have an aunt who had D everyday for decades. It just depends on how your body adapts. Most people are never perfectly normal again, though, although some lucky people only have problems every great once in a while, namely when they eat a lot of those bad foods that I mentioned. Also, I take Welchol and calcium supplements and I keep my D in check. My m-i-l is also on Welchol and it stopped her D too.

12) That was me who told you that, but I was gleaning from comments made on the board by other people; I don't actually know anyone in person who feels worse off, but that's because everyone I know was just sick-to-die with theirs before it came out, so they all feel better, me included. I doubt very seriously that your GERD or your D could get worse than it is now, so I think you'd, at the very least, break even. It is also possible, given that you seem to have sludge in your stools, that your D might even lessen, even if it doesn't go away completely on its own. But, I think even if you were on the Welchol right now, it would not work at its most effective because of the sludge. I mean, how hard is that stuff to absorb?

My stepmother's doctor told her that the sludge was the worst form of gall bladder disease to have because it was harder to detect than stones and all that sludge getting into your intestines can mess them up. I guess because it's abrasive or gums up the walls and keeps you from absorbing your nutrients very well. I don't know what exactly makes it so bad, but that's what he told her.

therooster
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   Posted 6/15/2007 10:25 AM (GMT -6)   
2Hawaii - Good to be open minded, especially when a) there are no drugs involved 2) it's inexpensive, which , by the way, drives the ole boys completely bonkers. They've developed a maladjusted sense of entitlement , IMO. Call it a dignosis if you like. They will. ***LOL***

My common sense tells me that high heat will destroy vitamins. Knowing what heat level is something that I can't comment on.

I still recommend a liver-gall bladder flush. Reference Hulda Clark's recipe and follow it to the letter, which includes a parasite cleanse , beforehand, because Dr. Clark claims that getting stones out is difficult if the liver has live parasites in it. I suspect that most people have parasites. As a root basis to disease, they act as a gold mine to support some people. The irony is that they are pretty easy to get rid of.
It ain't what you don't know that's bothering me ....... it's "what you know for sure".


antsie
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   Posted 8/17/2008 10:01 PM (GMT -6)   
I had my GB removed in 2001. I have had IBS type symptoms off and on for the last several years with the last 3 mos being horrible. My doctor is now trying me on Welchol. I have been on it 6 days. I am also taking Align probiotics that he recommends for IBS.

Welchol binds with the bile in your intestines and causes it to move on through your body without causing you the bile salt diarrhea. This is why it is an effective drug for patients who have had their GB removed. The usual dose for high cholesterol is 2 or 3 tablet 2 times a day. Most patients taking Welchol for Bile salt diarrhea need only 1 or 2 tablets a day. Because Welchol can affect the absorption of some medications, it is best to take vitamin supplements and medications, especially thyroid medications 3-4 hours before taking Welchol. I take my Thyroid med. and Aciphex for reflux along with Align first thing in the morning and then my 1 Welchol at lunch. If I am having a day where I am feeling urgency I will take another Welchol at dinner but I have only done that twice so far. For the last 2 days I have had pretty close to normal BMs. The first 2 days I was on Welchol I had a good deal of gas and bloating. By day 3 the pharmacy had gotten in my Align they ordered for me and I started it. 2 days after adding Align to my regimen the gas was greatly reduced. I highly recommend the Align as part of good intestinal health.

Lastly I want to say that you will hear about some having muscle aches as side effects from Welchol. From what I read, this is most often a result of the patient not absorbing enough vitamins, particularly B12 from their food while taking Welchol. For this reason, it is recommended to take a multi vitamin daily 3-4 hours before or after taking the Welchol especially at the higher doses. So far I have not had any muscle aches while on Welchol.
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